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George Zimmerman judge denies 2nd request to question Crump
cfnews13 ^ | March 27, 2013 | Jeff Allen

Posted on 03/28/2013 9:35:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

A judge has denied a motion from the defense team for George Zimmerman to question Trayvon Martin's family attorney Benjamin Crump about the young woman believed to be Trayvon's girlfriend.

We’re told Judge Debra Nelson issued a written ruling denying Zimmerman’s defense attorneys’ motion for the judge to reconsider an earlier ruling. In that ruling earlier this month, the judge said the defense could not depose Crump because it is not necessary and would violate Crump’s attorney-client privilege with the Martin family.

The defense asked Nelson to reconsider, and allow them to question Crump under oath before the trial, based on what they say is new evidence. However, in this written ruling, Nelson is once again refusing to allow the defense to depose Crump.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 03/28/2013 9:35:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

The fix appears to be still in.


2 posted on 03/28/2013 9:36:37 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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The following ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AND CLARIFICATION OF THE COURT’S ORDER DATED MARCH 4, 2013 has been filed by the Court:

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/order_denying_reconsideration.pdf


3 posted on 03/28/2013 9:37:20 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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The following ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AND CLARIFICATION OF THE COURT’S ORDER DATED MARCH 4, 2013 has been filed by the Court:

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/order_denying_reconsideration.pdf


4 posted on 03/28/2013 9:39:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, this has “grounds for appeal” written all over it, should Zimmerman be convicted.


5 posted on 03/28/2013 9:40:51 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: tennmountainman

Time to file another Motion to hold Ben Crump in contempt for filing a false affidavit with the court.


6 posted on 03/28/2013 9:42:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Da Judge says that a kangaroo can't jump backwards.
7 posted on 03/28/2013 9:43:41 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Uncle Chip
George Zimmerman judge denies 2nd request to question Crump


8 posted on 03/28/2013 9:46:37 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Uncle Chip
would violate Crump’s attorney-client privilege with the Martin family.

SHE'S NOT A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY........

9 posted on 03/28/2013 9:48:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Uncle Chip

Sounds like a KANGAROO COURT.

How Holder is that?


10 posted on 03/28/2013 9:50:04 AM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Uncle Chip

Crump became PART OF THE CASE when he broguth the ‘witness’ in and push that fraud

As such he needs to be removed from the case by the judge and held accountable and possibly dis-barred for his actions


11 posted on 03/28/2013 9:50:16 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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Judge Nelson makes this decision in chambers without a hearing even though a hearing was scheduled for Tuesday April 2nd.

“Zimmerman’s defense said the court canceled a hearing Tuesday without consulting them first.

“There’s not another scheduled hearing in the case until April 30, and the defense said with only a little more than two months left until trial, they need to have a hearing before the 30th in order to address pending matters in the case.

“A court spokesperson said the judge has made it clear she is available whenever needed, and she will make time available if Zimmerman’s attorneys need it. “

Of course she was MIA on the 13th for 5 hours when the state stalled for 5 hours the deposition of the prosecution’s star witness.


12 posted on 03/28/2013 9:56:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: kevkrom

Exactly. Either this judge has an agenda or is just another idiot in black robes.


13 posted on 03/28/2013 10:05:27 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Uncle Chip

Is the judges ruling appealable under Florida law? Anybody know?


14 posted on 03/28/2013 10:06:49 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Uncle Chip

Judge Nelson makes this decision in chambers without a hearing even though a hearing was scheduled for Tuesday April 2nd.

...Judge Nelson’s actions to date are indeed quite, um, unusual...


15 posted on 03/28/2013 10:06:53 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Uncle Chip

“....Of course she was MIA on the 13th for 5 hours when the state stalled for 5 hours the deposition of the prosecution’s star witness.”
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And her office canceled the Tuesday hearing. So much for the “..the judge has made it clear she is available whenever needed...” canard put forth by her office.


16 posted on 03/28/2013 10:08:01 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: IrishBrigade
I don't think the action of making a decision without further hearing is unusual. She had all the argument and facts. What's "unusual" is that she did not address the arguments. Not at all. None of her remarks, oral or written, cover the issue or waiver of privilege; for example.

Scare quotes around "unusual" because I've read plenty of cases where the appellate court, and even the Supreme Court, dodge issues by misrepresenting precedent and/or ignoring the argument that is being made. In short, conclusory judgments.

That's the way the law works.

The only thing the courts are is risking is the legitimacy of the institution, and if you dare question that, you are a barbarian standing against society.

17 posted on 03/28/2013 10:13:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I think your question isn't simply appealable or not (the issue is appealable), I think your question is can O'Mara appeal this before the trial. He cannot appeal this before the trial. The losing side at trial can use any decision of law by Nelson as the basis for appeal.

Nelson is protecting the grievance industry here. There is no legal basis to deny the defense the right to ask Crump the questions it has in mind, all of which involve Witness 8, and all of which spring from Crump's public statements.

18 posted on 03/28/2013 10:17:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: tennmountainman

Yes, this judge is as bad as the one before. GZ isn’t going to get an even break because he’s not black. As you put it, “The fix is in.”


19 posted on 03/28/2013 10:19:37 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Uncle Chip

Check out the photos at the link — they have Trayvon Martin’s 7-Eleven photo instead of the Hollister photo and others of the 12 year old cherub.


20 posted on 03/28/2013 10:21:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Cboldt
I don't think the action of making a decision without further hearing is unusual. She had all the argument and facts. What's "unusual" is that she did not address the arguments. Not at all.

That's because she probably didn't read the "arguments and facts" in the Motion.

If she had had to sit through a hearing, then the "arguments and facts" would atleast have made it into her ears with the hope of some of it seeping into her closed mind. But we can't risk that.

21 posted on 03/28/2013 10:29:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Bingo. He knows his client lied, but then again, Eric Holder still has his job, so..


22 posted on 03/28/2013 10:29:42 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Uncle Chip
Time to file another Motion to hold Ben Crump in contempt for filing a false affidavit with the court.

Yep.
This corrupt scumbag judge needs to be hammered mercilessly.

23 posted on 03/28/2013 10:32:02 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Cboldt

Thanks. I did mean was the judges ruling on the motion appealable under Florida law? I see as a general rule rulings on this type of motion is not appealable. Any escape clause? It seems like Zimmerman is being deprived of essential evidence. Further, the witness is not the lawyers client-is she?


24 posted on 03/28/2013 10:32:40 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Uncle Chip
I think she calculated that the probability of this being appealed is low, so she could enforce her bias without much risk of any repercussion.

The judicial version of "speeding." She knows she's not following the law, and she knows she's not addressing the legal arguments.

25 posted on 03/28/2013 10:42:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Almost all trial court rulings are appealable under the applicable law. This one is appealable. But, the defendant has to wait until the trial is over before they can appeal based on this decision.

The argument on appeal is exactly as you state - defendant was deprived of essential evidence, therefore the conviction should be overturned.

The court is protecting Crump from giving fact testimony, on the basis that he is (intends to be) opposing counsel. The basis for granting him privilege against giving fact testimony isn't that he is Witness 8's lawyer. It's simply that he is hostile to or adverse to defendant, and because he is both hostile to defendant, and intends to sue defendant, he has no obligation to give ANY testimony in the criminal case.

That's not the legal rule, and the court would be found to have NOT applied the legal rule for piercing an assertion of privilege. The unknown point, right now, is whether or not Zimmerman will be found guilty, in part due to absence of Crump's testimony. My hunch is that Witness 8 is going to torpedo herself anyway.

26 posted on 03/28/2013 10:50:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Chip

Just wonder how much of a bribe Nelson is getting from Crump and Co?

This stinks to high heaven. The judge is in on the fix

Of course....this also means the defense case is falling apart


27 posted on 03/28/2013 10:53:59 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Uncle Chip
It's amazing how entrenched the communists influence has reached. Our court are are so saturated with incompetent fools that America will probably never recover.
28 posted on 03/28/2013 10:58:13 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: tennmountainman

“The fix appears to be still in.”

And I’m sure those roads lead right to the Community Organizer himself.


29 posted on 03/28/2013 11:01:49 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The defense should put the judge on the spot a little and suggest that as further evidence comes to light, the judge should consider a referral of Crump to the state bar, for engaging in unethical practices.

Of course the judge would turn them down, but it opens the door wide to the possibility of legal sanctions against Crump. Eventually momentum alone could propel it to the state bar.


30 posted on 03/28/2013 11:15:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Crump was on TV this morning (I think it was CNN) going on about supposed evidence that members of the Zimmerman family hate black people.

George Zimmerman's grandmother is or was half-black and half-Peruvian Indian. He is one-eighth black, not that the media ever mentions it. There is no reason at all to think George Zimmerman is prejudiced against black people, but that's the narrative the media created, and the judge's job is to see to it that the jurors are people who have made up their minds based on the media coverage and will ignore any contrary evidence brought out in the trial.

31 posted on 03/28/2013 11:47:24 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SeminoleCounty

“This stinks to high heaven. The judge is in on the fix”

Another Capo or JINO? The judge’s maiden name is Steinberg.


32 posted on 03/28/2013 11:51:17 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Verginius Rufus

Of course since George Zimmerman was attacked and Trayvon was trying to kill him, it’s really irrelevant what GZ’s racial views were before he was attacked, but the point is to make GZ appear to be a social pariah who is not deserving of rhe rights accorded to good citizens.


33 posted on 03/28/2013 11:51:22 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Given the disdain that Martin showed for the head of the white Hispanic that he was slamming into the concrete, if Martin had gotten his hands on his gun, it is more than likely that Zimmerman’s head would have suffered the same fate as the baby in Brunswick.

I’ll bet a search of the internet postings would find that this Elkins crime family were all signatories to the petition for Justice for Trayvon.


34 posted on 03/28/2013 12:21:06 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Verginius Rufus

George Zimmerman’s grandmother is or was half-black and half-Peruvian Indian. He is one-eighth black
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Didn’t know that ... what do all the black folks say about “just one drop” ...


35 posted on 03/28/2013 4:57:08 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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Prosecutor Bernie has a meltdown in a pleading before the court:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/132906836/BDLR-States-Response-to-Ds-Motion-for-Sanctions-Against-State-Attorneys-Office-for-Discovery-Violations-3-28-13

And take a good look at the scribbled note from DeeDee that BDLR coughed up.

The girl can spell “tragic” but can’t spell the name of her boyfriend who she has known from kindergarten.


36 posted on 03/28/2013 6:43:45 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

             

37 posted on 03/28/2013 6:56:26 PM PDT by tomkat
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BTW I don’t see anyone’s signature on the bottom of that scribbled note unless of course DeeDee’s name is “Thank You”.


38 posted on 03/28/2013 7:00:37 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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"See attached letter Witness 8 gave Victim's mother, Sybrina Fulton, prior to the recorded call with Trayvon Martin's attorney, Benjamin Crump."

That's a neat trick!!! According to Ben Crump's affidavit Sybrina was with him on his end of the phone.

39 posted on 03/28/2013 9:38:59 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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