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Has disability become a 'de facto welfare program'?
NBC News ^ | March 28, 2013 | Barbara Raab

Posted on 03/28/2013 9:35:53 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

When President Clinton signed "welfare reform" into law in 1996, he promised to end welfare as we know it. Now, some new reporting suggests we've created a new kind of welfare -- only most Americans aren't aware of it.

The number of people who depend on checks from Social Security's disability programs has soared in recent years, according to NPR's series "Unfit for Work: the Startling Rise of Disability in America." The reports, which began over the weekend and continue this week, raise the question: How disabled are the recipients, really? As you might imagine, they have touched a nerve.

A quick primer: the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program provides monthly cash assistance to people who are poor and disabled, including families with disabled children. The basic monthly SSI cash benefit is a set amount -- currently $710 for an individual and $1,066 for a couple. The Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) program also provides monthly cash assistance, to disabled people who have worked in jobs covered by Social Security. People who leave the workforce and go on disability also qualify for Medicare.

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After six months of investigation, NPR reporter Chana Joffee-Walt concluded that Social Security's disability programs have become "a de facto welfare program for people without a lot of education or job skills." In the past three decades, she reports, the number of Americans who are on disability has skyrocketed:

(Excerpt) Read more at inplainsight.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: disability; welfare
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1 posted on 03/28/2013 9:35:53 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Finally a welfare program problem the media can report on.

Better than nothing, I'll take it.

2 posted on 03/28/2013 9:38:31 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

What cracked me up was when some kneejerk leftist proclaimed how heartless people were that pointed out how more people went on disability than found jobs...

“those people are HURT!”

Really?

So, we had a rash of injuries that month that resulted in more people going on disability than finding jobs?
Was there some 9/11 scale trajedy that we missed?


3 posted on 03/28/2013 9:38:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

My observation is all one needs to do to qualify for disability is drop out of high school and do a lot of drugs.


4 posted on 03/28/2013 9:39:07 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Is there any doubt that it is the New Welfare?

Disability for high blood pressure? Come on.

The Americans with Disabilities Act is the o’stoner care of its day.


5 posted on 03/28/2013 9:39:57 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yes, disability has become a de facto welfare program. Actually, I am not sure “has become” is quite right. “Has been for some time” might be more accurate. I have seen people approved for conditions only slightly more severe than left-handedness, while a guy who lost a leg was denied. It’s a scam, and lawyers get very rich as a result.


6 posted on 03/28/2013 9:40:41 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I could get disability but I choose to go it alone.

My joints are junk so it pretty much wipes out my ability to do the factory work I did for much of my life but it didn’t stop me from learning to do something else.


7 posted on 03/28/2013 9:41:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

There was an NPR report on this last week. States are hiring firms that work to get Welfare recipients off welfare and on disability, since disability costs are borne 100% by Feds and not the states. It’s a ‘cash cow’ for the states.


8 posted on 03/28/2013 9:41:34 AM PDT by 11th_VA (DRONES DON'T KILL, PRESIDENTS KILL ...)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I took off an afternoon earlier in the week due to a nasty cold. First sick day in roughly five years.

I was absolutely flabbergasted by the number of lawyer ads on daytime television promising to get you on disability just for a phone call to a toll-free number.

I was half tempted to make the call to say "I'm tired of working and supporting all these jag-offs on disability. I'd like to join them."

9 posted on 03/28/2013 9:41:46 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: skeeter

This article was brought to my attention by a liberal co-worker whose liberal husband happens to work for the SSA.

Even they are disgusted by this situation.


10 posted on 03/28/2013 9:42:01 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Truth/Lies; Liberty/Tyranny--WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

My husband receives disability. He is really disabled due to a head-on collision six years ago when cops were chasing a guy for a fictitious tag at speeds of 125 mph. The guy went around a blind curve, crossed the center line and hit my husband head-on. The other driver had very minor injuries. My husband spent five weeks in ICU and three weeks in rehab. He is in a wheelchair and in constant pain. Had to have a large section of his intestines removed. Had nine surgeries to put in pins and rods in his legs and pelvis. Several months ago he fell and had to have additional pelvic surgery.

There are many who are truly disabled. Many are not. My son’s girlfriend is 29 and receives a disability check. For the life of me, I can’t figure out what makes her disabled (or lazy). Supposedly has back problems but it doesn’t keep her from doing anything.

I worked for attorneys who did disability cases. Seems standard for the first claim to be denied but once a lawyer is involved, it is approved. They deny that’s how it works, but from what I saw, that is exactly how it works. Lawyers have a lot of influence in this country.


11 posted on 03/28/2013 9:42:06 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Sequoyah101

Working in the E R I see people every day who tell me they are “working on getting my disability” like that’s an occupation. Most of them disabled from alcohol drugs or just plain laziness. When I see some 20 something on disability for her “ nerves” and think about dragging the wagon for them while they sit back for the rest of their lives I want to vomit.


12 posted on 03/28/2013 9:44:11 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: circlecity; MrB

People go on disability for all kinds of reasons now, and like all government programs, there is no incentive to rein in costs. Having worked at a state employment agency for a while, I know that you get in more trouble for trying to keep someone from getting benefits who doesn’t qualify than you do for just handing out the dough.

That is why government has no business being involved in any kind of welfare or redistribution program. The only thing government ought to do is protect citizens from crooks and foreign enemies, and it doesn’t even do that very well. Anything beyond that is a recipe for legalized theft.

However, if you dare say that government should not “help” the poor and disabled, you are accused of being a horrible person. Everybody believes government can solve their problems.

“Every election is the advanced auction of stolen goods.” Mencken


13 posted on 03/28/2013 9:44:46 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: circlecity
You would be surprised.
My mother, now 61, had to stop working 2 years ago because of a series of heart attacks. She was warned that if she continued returning to work, she could expect to end up dead. She applied for disability 1 1/2 years ago and has been turned down multiple times and is going through an arbitration process of some sort at this time. They keep refusing her benefits and she's a candidate if I ever saw one. I'm not up to date on the details, but she is definitely unfit for work of just about any kind except maybe a low-stress desk job (if that even exists). She's not even supposed to be on her feet for more than 20 minutes at a time.

I'm not sure how all the lowlifes end up drawing disability checks because at least in her case, you have to go to war in order to get on the service and even then, it doesn't look like she is going to be approved.

14 posted on 03/28/2013 9:46:47 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Thousands of those on the long term unemployment which ran out have been moved without challenge to ‘Social Security Disability.


15 posted on 03/28/2013 9:47:28 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: 11th_VA

Thats probably why NPR and other media are reporting it. There is a contentious relationship developing between the states and the feds as they battle over rapidly dwindling revenue sources, and like the big government statists they are the media will always side with the federal govenrment.


16 posted on 03/28/2013 9:48:33 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

There is a new fast track Social Security disability program called SOAR. At least two thirds of applicants are approved. There is no question that Obama has turned SSI into a new Welfare program. And the old SSI was pretty much a Welfare program to begin with. The entire country wants to collect a government check instead of working. I have one in my family. He gets disability but for the life of me, I don’t see why. He can’t do heavy manual labor anymore but he can do pretty much everything else.


17 posted on 03/28/2013 9:48:44 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Both, apparently, are career choices.


18 posted on 03/28/2013 9:49:24 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yes it has; like the parents of children on the “autism spectrum” (not real autistic children), it is simply a “white welfare” (or walfare without the bastards to merit the payments).


19 posted on 03/28/2013 9:51:04 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

My mother was a social worker.

Welfare is a scam allowing able bodied people to do nothing and get paid for it.

Disability is more of the same.


20 posted on 03/28/2013 9:51:28 AM PDT by lurk
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To: FunkyZero
"I'm not sure how all the lowlifes end up drawing disability checks because at least in her case, you have to go to war in order to get on the service and even then, it doesn't look like she is going to be approved."

That was my point. White, middle class people with true physical infirmities can hardly get it and even those who are successful work for years to get it approved. If you're an unemployable inner city drop-out with a drug and alcohol problem you'll be on the dole within 6 months.

21 posted on 03/28/2013 9:51:45 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Not only has it become a welfare program but Obama knows that everyone that gets on disability no longer counts as unemployed on the monthly unemployment statistics.


22 posted on 03/28/2013 9:55:42 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I heard that report yesterday on my way home from work. It was an example of some of the rare, but really good stories that come out of NPR.


23 posted on 03/28/2013 9:59:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

My father is a bastard,
My ma’s an S.O.B.
My grandpa’s always plastered,
My grandma pushes tea.
My sister wears a mustache,
My brother wears a dress.
Goodness gracious, that’s why I’m a mess!

Hey I’m depraved on account I’m deprived!


24 posted on 03/28/2013 10:00:44 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“The number of people who depend on checks from Social Security’s disability programs has soared in recent years”

This is precisely why Social Security is going broke. Anyone who has spent anytime in a Social Security office can see that those say over 60 are few and far between. There are mostly younger people on or getting disability. No mystery here.


25 posted on 03/28/2013 10:02:26 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: lurk

Speaking as a person who has been disabled since birth; stories likes this really make my blood boil!

I could I supposed jump on the disability grave train but I choose not to. Then you have people like the poster whose mother is genuinely in need of it but can get it. What a country!


26 posted on 03/28/2013 10:02:44 AM PDT by Jean2
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I find it kind of interesting that NPR, that bastion of liberalism, would be the one to report on this.


27 posted on 03/28/2013 10:03:09 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ilovesarah2012

“I worked for attorneys who did disability cases. Seems standard for the first claim to be denied but once a lawyer is involved, it is approved. They deny that’s how it works, but from what I saw, that is exactly how it works.”

Indeed, that is precisely how it works. Interestingly, you don’t have to be a lawyer to handle those cases. While the case is pending, the benefit period is running, so the attorney gets a percentage in the neighborhood of 15-20% of the back benefits, if awarded. Because the claims are all pretty similar from procedural and documentation perspectives, attorneys can easily set up a mill. The biggest hurdle for them is the marketing costs. It’s a lot like a high volume bankruptcy practice. Locally, the administrative judge has now retired from the bench, and is representing claimants.


28 posted on 03/28/2013 10:03:52 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: skeeter

I know a few “disabled” folks who could have a job. However, no employer in their right mind would hire them.


29 posted on 03/28/2013 10:08:43 AM PDT by Zuse
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
When Bush passed the Welfare to Work Program, millions of welfare slugs moved to SS disability. They didn't want to get a job like everyone else. It was easy because doctors feared the left wing trial lawyers.
That's why the number is so high. It replaced welfare.
If you add disability and welfare together, that's how many people are now living off other peoples paychecks today. It's not a pretty picture.

This is why every able bodied person should be denied services. If they can pick lettuce, they're off the dole. Those who claim they can't pick lettuce should be regularly monitored to guarantee the American citizens paying their way aren't being taken advantage of.

I've seen a couple of guys collecting SS for bad backs pull engines out of cars. One woman in our town claims to be too nervous to work, yet she runs an under the table day care center that only accepts cash.

30 posted on 03/28/2013 10:08:46 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

There were stories from a year or so ago, if anyone recalls, where folks who exhausted their unemployment bennies were being signed up for disability, virtually automaticly.

And how can you criticize the disabled, cretins? Slick move, I must admit. I didn’t see such blantant dishonesty and fraud coming.
We need a giant reset in this nation...lots of hangers on need to be wiped off and flushed away.


31 posted on 03/28/2013 10:09:44 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: 11th_VA

Here is the original NPR story. It’s actually pretty darned good:

http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/


32 posted on 03/28/2013 10:13:59 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Often enough, the “disability” is that they are FAT.


33 posted on 03/28/2013 10:14:39 AM PDT by Arthurio
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yes, it has become. In fact, it has been a “de-facto” welfare program for a while. While there are many that are disabled and perhaps need assistance, there are many, many more that are scamming the system to get their piece of the “something for nothing” pie.


34 posted on 03/28/2013 10:18:32 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: meyer

Bingo

Obesity and fat people are literally eating this country into permanent debt.


35 posted on 03/28/2013 10:19:40 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Up here in the People's Republic of Massachusetts,they have a guy who has (I think) Cerebal Palsy who sits on a busy corner on Newbury Street right across from the Boston Common.

You see him out there all summer in his wheelchair. He can't talk, but he can move his head a little up or down and can just barely move his right arm. He sells cold soda for a buck and a half. Someone sets him up with a cooler full of soda, and you put the dollar in his box, and he reaches a shaky hand down to pull the cover up and you grab what you want out of the cooler.

After seeing this guy for years, I asked him if I could take his picture, because this is what typifies the American spirit...or used to.

There are a lot of people who should be damned ashamed of themselves (who could work, but don't) but liberals have impressed on people in this country the lie that shame is a negative thing that should never be used (unless the person being shamed is a conservative) According to them, shame is too "judgemental".

36 posted on 03/28/2013 10:19:41 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If you look at it (as I have) the income tax filing is also a welfare program. EI credit? Only work as much as the system will let you and get back more than you paid in. Over 70? Get another $1450 in personal tax deductions. Sheesh.


37 posted on 03/28/2013 10:19:59 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Arthurio
Often enough, the “disability” is that they are FAT.

Getting them off the dole and putting them in a lettuce field would be the best thing for them. They'd get the exercise they desperately need - and their weight is a burden on the American health care system, right? It's a win/win.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to pick lettuce. Most on SS and welfare could do it. Why import Mexicans to do the job when we've got millions of "desperate" people to do those jobs right here in America?

38 posted on 03/28/2013 10:20:18 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MrB

So, we had a rash of injuries that month that resulted in more people going on disability than finding jobs?...Fire EVERYBODY in OSHA. Apparently they are NOT doing their job.


39 posted on 03/28/2013 10:21:41 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: cdcdawg

I didn’t work for a “mill”, the ones who advertise throughout the middle of the day. It was a very small part of the practice. Attorneys do profit well from the cases, though. And if a non-attorney handles the process as I did for my husband, they are not entitled to anything other than what the disability recipient decides to pay them. Lawyers always call the shots.


40 posted on 03/28/2013 10:22:16 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The problem with disability programs is that basically anybody, regardless of whether they are disabled or not can get on them as long as they are patient and hire a decent lawyer.

My ex-wife's sisters husband was a case in point, basically one day he decided he didn't want to work anymore, quit and filed for diability. He claimed he had bad knees, every doctor he went to told him his only problem was he was fat (about 350lbs) and if he lost weight his knee problems would go away. Well after several years of denials and appeals, his lawyer finally got him approved. Not only did he get a disability payment for the rest of his life, he also got all the back disability from the date he first applied. Basically guaranteed welfare for life that can't be taken away, must be nice to retire at 40...

41 posted on 03/28/2013 10:25:04 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

There is no question that Obama has turned SSI into a new Welfare program....Happened LONG before Obummer.


42 posted on 03/28/2013 10:26:39 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

There’s a guy around here who advertises as a “Social Security Representative”, and I’m fairly certain he’s not a lawyer. There must be some alternative certification that allows it. If so, it’s pretty strange. Lawyers generally guard their turf like no other profession.


43 posted on 03/28/2013 10:27:21 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Arthurio

Often enough, the “disability” is that they are FAT.


Yes and the scam goes even further. I know (2nd hand but from a reliable source) that you have a fattie in her 50’s that gets put on SSI from being fat and now guess what - her daughter in her 20’s gets put on the govt. payroll to be her caretaker. Can you believe that ish?


44 posted on 03/28/2013 10:29:54 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: FunkyZero
My mother, now 61, had to stop working 2 years ago because of a series of heart attacks. She was warned that if she continued returning to work, she could expect to end up dead. She applied for disability 1 1/2 years ago and has been turned down multiple times and is going through an arbitration process of some sort at this time. They keep refusing her benefits and she's a candidate if I ever saw one. I'm not up to date on the details, but she is definitely unfit for work of just about any kind except maybe a low-stress desk job (if that even exists). She's not even supposed to be on her feet for more than 20 minutes at a time.

I suspect the probability of getting on disability increases if your Democratic precinct captain tells the right people that you are a reliable Dem voter.

45 posted on 03/28/2013 10:32:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
For the life of me, I can’t figure out what makes her disabled (or lazy). Supposedly has back problems but it doesn’t keep her from doing anything.

Ah, but here's the kicker. In reviewing resumes at my employer, one of the things we require is a listing of any medical conditions you have. If you have back problems of any type? You get File 13ed. So will any smart employer. If you have back problems and you get hired, we have to provide special accommodations like a decent chair that won't get your back hurting - and that's expensive. Also, you could raise the company insurance premiums just by being employed and having back problems. So no go for your sister.

It's like a friend of mine who's 4'8 due to a spinal condition. Has a degree in business management, is very on top of things, has done great work...when she was able to be hired. But people don't like cripples working in an office with them and you have to provide desks she can sit at and so on, so too bad for her. Can she do the work? Absolutely! Will she do the work? In a heartbeat! Am I going to hire her? Only if I need to make a minority quota.

She eventually got disability after being unemployed for a decade; her spinal condition qualifies her for it. It took a lot of convincing; she didn't want to do it. I finally had to lay it out straight to her; Corporate America doesn't want people who look like her in the office. Neither does a smart small business. You want young attractive types with no visible problems so the clients enjoy coming in.

It's an ugly truth, but the truth often is.
46 posted on 03/28/2013 10:32:07 AM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: Hildred Castaigne

U.S. sues Starbucks for firing dwarf from barista job

The U.S. government is suing Starbucks Coffee Company for firing a barista in El Paso because she is a dwarf.

When the employee asked for a stool or small stepladder to perform her job, Starbucks denied the request and fired her that same day, claiming that she could be a danger to customers and workers, according to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

The commission, which filed the lawsuit on Monday, said that Starbucks violated federal law by denying a reasonable accommodation to the employee, who was hired in July 2009 and was fired after three days of training.

“Starbucks has become a virtual icon of modern American culture, appealing to an incredibly diverse customer base,” Robert Canino, a commission lawyer in Dallas, said in a statement. “We’d hope that when considering hiring a person with a disability, Starbucks would choose to enhance its brand with the mark of equal opportunity and access.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/17/us-dwarf-starbucks-idUSTRE74G60020110517


47 posted on 03/28/2013 10:39:33 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: kearnyirish2

The “Autism spectrum” is real. Actually kids that are higher on the spectrum imo are more deserving of help than lower kids because they have a shot to hold down jobs and be taxpayers while the more severe kids will most likely always be state wards.

It’s a real thing. Nothing made up. You don’t understand until you have one, but I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Toughest thing I’ve ever dealt with.


48 posted on 03/28/2013 10:40:31 AM PDT by pass-the-biscuits-please
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To: circlecity
leftists have thoroughly infiltrated the military as well.

I know vets who've schemed together on how to ‘flunk’ hearing tests to get disability for tinnitus among other things.

49 posted on 03/28/2013 10:41:45 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ilovesarah2012
When the employee asked for a stool or small stepladder to perform her job, Starbucks denied the request and fired her that same day, claiming that she could be a danger to customers and workers, according to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

You see, that's where the manager of that Starbucks screwed up. You don't deny the special accomodation request and then fire for possible coworker endangerment. Even in right-to-work, that won't pass muster.

What you do is smile and nod, absolutely grant the request, deliver a timeframe in which it will be fulfilled...and then in that timeframe, accumulate enough disciplinary action to fire her. "You were late by 1 minute." "Your till is $5 short." "We've had multiple complaints from clientele about your rudeness." 4-5 write-ups later, you fire her. Then, if EEOC comes calling, you go "Oh, no, we didn't fire her for being a dwarf. No way. Check our write-ups! That's why we fired her!"

It boggles me that management doesn't know the easy ways these days.
50 posted on 03/28/2013 11:09:02 AM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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