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The Reality: “Everything That You Have Prepared and Stored for SHTF Will Be Pushed to the Limit”
SHTF Plan ^ | 3-28-2013 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 03/28/2013 10:24:08 AM PDT by blam

The Reality of Combat: “Everything That You Have Prepared and Stored for SHTF Will Be Pushed to the Limit”

Mac Slavo
March 27th, 2013

Editor’s Note: Do you want to know what it’s really like? If so, then the best place to acquire first hand information about what you’ll experience when the world as we know it collapses is from combat veterans and people who have been through the worst of what humanity has to offer.

In 2011 Selco of SHTF School shared A Survival Q & A: Living Through SHTF In the Middle of A War Zone with our readers and it opened our eyes to how difficult a situation each of us will face when law & order, as well as human decency, break down.

Selco lived it during the Balkan war, which spanned from 1992 to 1995.

In the following article, Selco delves even further, detailing real life scenarios, training tactics and other key information that will undoubtedly help save your life should the streets of America turn into a war zone. Pay attention because this no idealized collapse scenario – it’s reality.

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When SHTF nobody told me how hard is gonna be and what things I will have to do to survive, there was no training or simulations, through most of the stuff I was going for the first time in my life, and I was hoping it is only temporary situation, it is not going to last for whole year.

Few events opened my eyes, and somehow make me survivor right at the beginning, and I can say I have luck to understand in very early stage how hard it is, and what it takes.

During one of the first bigger events of killing in the streets, I was out together with my friend who also was medical professional.

Fire from machine guns was on people who were standing in front of the main city bread factory, and people started to scream and run over each other.

My first impulse was to run to nearest cover but my friend got down to help some lady, so I stayed one meter next to him.

I was confused about my decision and not sure to stay with him or run. Bullets from machine gun hit him over his legs, and I saw how his knee cap exploded, it looked like some bad movie special effect.

He just looked at his legs, then at me, in silence. Even that was just seconds moments like this feel very long.

I took him by the hands and drag him some 20 or 30 meters to safety. Only there I saw that he was missing his leg under the knee. It stayed with dead lady on the street.

And only then he started to scream.

I used belt to stop bleeding, ambulance still worked in that period. He went to hospital and then evacuated from the city. He survived but never came back.

Lessons learned?

In moments of chaos always listen to your instincts and do not hesitate. Especially if you are involved in situation when someone is shooting at you with high caliber machine gun. Just accept that people will die, and you have to survive. To help others is great thing, to survive is even better, also I realized that human being is so fragile and easy to destroy.

Later I learned some things about weapons and how to use them, so I realize that more firepower does not necessary mean more dangerous and better chance to kill.

Owning a weapon is just absolutely necessary in preparing for a survival scenario, even more in urban survival. You just need to go and get as close as you can to the real stuff while you are doing the preparing and training for the SHTF, so it makes sense to go out and check your preps, to check your gear and yourself.

For example pair of boots that you bought and store for bad days will not be used for walking only, it will be use for running, squatting, jumping, in mud, junk, blood, guts maybe or just running trough a shallow river.

Everything that you have prepared and stored for SHTF will be pushed to the limits.

One thing is to go out into woods nearby and do recording of your weapon testing on some beer bottles with your friends, and after that concluding that particular gun or rifle is best for SHTF, and that you are dangerous dude because your accuracy rules. Some people gonna put that clip on you tube and go home convinced that they are ready and prepared.

In reality you do not know if you are prepared.

A lot of survival stores that sell things sell idea of buy this and you are safe. No you are not. Also you learn more about real urban survival scenario in my survival course and this helps you to mentally be better prepared but real deal when SHTF always comes as surprise.

When time comes again it gonna hit everyone like a hammer. Good news is that when you know you will get hit like that you can recover fast and use your skills, knowledge and preps to make best out of situation.

Using weapon in real life, in real survival situation is something absolutely different from shooting bear bottles, and if you could do some real training that is realistic that would be maybe going to camping with trash bag as a tent, being on camping for 10 days with 10 small cans of food, and 10 liters of water, walking every day for 10 km.

And then on 11th day run few kilometers and then shoot and see how accurate you are when your body is wasting away.

And still the most important thing is missing. While you are shooting at the beer bottles they do not shoot back at you in order to kill you.

During some of the first battles in city I was moving trough the building behind a guy, we both had rifles. He was sweeping the rooms and shooting, it was the closest urban combat as it can be. In the moment when he run out of ammo he used his rifle as something between spear and bat.

Now someone could say why he did not just switch to pistol? He did not have one, also he did not have time to look for ammo. But there I learned how it is useful to have folded stock of rifle when shooting and moving in very confined spaces.

Also I learned that rifle with pretty sharp parts at the barrel can be very handy. He stabbed guy to the cheek, ripping his face down and finishing him on ground.

One of the biggest misconception at the people who do not have fighting experience is what they need to practice.

It is all about pressure. You need to learn:

1. What your weapon can take

In terms of kicking, throwing, how often and when will it malfunction, and what the most common malfunctions are, and how to fix it, of course how to fix it in middle of fight. If you find yourself in the middle of fighting, and your weapon “jams” do not be as we called “zblesavljen” or in English is probably looking like idiot.

I have seen that: guy is shooting and in the middle of fighting his weapon jammed, and he surprisingly look at the weapon in a “what the f#ck?” state. And of course in two seconds he ends up dead.

You absolutely need to know how to manage small weapon jams without looking at the weapon, you need to look at the target while you are “repairing” weapon (clearing the bullet, switching to other magazine etc.)

Other option would be to MOVE immediately when your weapon jams, move to cover in same second, or to dropping it on ground, or on your back, and switching to your other weapon. But you need to learn to do all of above without thinking. You need to train that this becomes automatic.

Small things like how quickly you can put your rifle on your back and a switch to pistol can be difference between life and death, if you somehow “trip” yourself while you are trying to put rifle on your back in order to take pistol you can end up dead.

2. What you can take

Remember this: while you are shooting at the bad guys, those bad guys will be SHOOTING AT YOU TOO.

So shooting at the beer bottles in the woods with your buddies will not really do all the training you need. I am doing it often, but it just not covering everything.

Fighting and surviving combat means constant moving and outsmarting the guys on the other side, you gonna need to run, squat, throw yourself in the ditch, lay down in all kinds of sh!t and shoot at the same time, and probably fix your rifle from jams, or switch to another weapon.

Do some basic weapon training and learn about line of sight and how to get out off it.

Very great percentage of shooting is done without aiming, just spraying bullets.

It makes sense to do some airsoft or paintball in the woods to check how constant moving change whole game, and what kind of moving makes sense in order to survive gunfight.

For example how often you shoot from your weapon with both hands, dominant and not dominant? In urban fighting you will need switch weapon around very often (moving through the apartments, rooms, around the corners etc.). When you are shooting behind corner, and you are having rifle in your right hand and corner is on your left side it make sense to transfer weapon to left hand. otherwise it is dangerous to stick your left part of body out in order to shoot form right hand.

For all you who have some military experience this all is basic stuff, but I have seen many guys who were killed in stupid ways.

Real gunfight is dynamic thing. Adrenaline is weird thing too, so people can do tremendous things while adrenaline is pumping, but also with lack of training and common sense guy can do tremendously stupid things. I have seen man who was pointing to something and he stood up from the cover, and got shot.

3. How to train yourself

Training is the key. You can not do anything else today except to train very hard.

You can not experience real stuff today of course, but you can take it as close to real stuff as you can. Go out with your friends and think about all possible scenarios. But think about worst case scenarios. SHTF is not gonna wait for nice and sunny weather, you gonna be maybe hungry, dirty. Maybe have to give up your shelter and food storage on second day of SHTF.

Or you gonna be forced to use other weapon that you are not used to. Maybe you gonna be forced to hide for hours hidden under a pile of rubble and then you are gonna be forced to jump out and “kill” ten beer bottles. Sounds like fun? This is why resilience and mental strength is so important.

Maybe you are gonna be cold and thirsty and in the middle of the battle. One thing is sure – very rarely it goes the way that you planned. So just be ready for many options and do not panic when things go other way. Want to get some funny sounding advice?

Get good at suffering while still being able to work towards a goal.

4. What weapon, caliber, stopping power etc?

It is very hard question (that I get asked a lot). But think about fact that everything today is about mainstream and commercial. And somehow it is more about what other people say is good and not necessarily about what you need and what is good for YOU.

You and your hand kill, weapon is only tool. I have seen fight when man with knife is killing the guy with rifle. He had mastered fighting with knife and had will to kill. Other guy had a rifle only, and he ends up dead. I also seen more than once people shot with rifle bullets still fighting, running for good amount of time. Some of them were not even aware that they are wounded before someone else pointed that out to them.

What I am trying to say, do not expect miracles if you own weapon that is at the moment most popular, having great stopping power, cool reviews. It is about practicing , weapon mastering and correct bullets placement.

I said bullets for a reason, I have seen many things, but I did not see someone survive multiple shots in correct place at the body. Have weapon that is best for your case, and achieve perfection in using it. Do not expect that people will fly back if you shoot them with one bullet from some widely popular weapon and caliber (not talking about shotguns).

So I am not gonna tell you what is the best weapon because what works for me maybe does not work for you or others.

Having a weapon that is too rare, too good or too bad does not make too much sense for me. Do not find yourself in situation when you lose your weapon and pick someone else and then find out that you do not have clue about it, because your weapon was special and rare.

Just have what everyone else around you has, because of gun parts, ammo and you look like everyone else.

Your weapon is only tool to survive, be ready to lose it if you need to lose it, and pick some other from ground in the middle of fight.

I knew a guy who did some scary stuff with rusty shortened M48. He was old and poor looking dude, he played that part good, until he would take out this old gun from under his coat and rob and kill people. Simple strategy but it worked for him. So look around and think what works for you.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; collapse; economy; guncontrol; recession; secondamendment; selco; shtf

1 posted on 03/28/2013 10:24:09 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I’m not all too sure about SHTF Prepper stuff. Some of it seems good to have. Other aspects of the labored preparation and scenario reduction seem strained or just too optimistic. The more elaborate the preparation, it seems to me, the more ways all that can go wrong.

I only know this. If the SHTF does happen, preppers and reasonably prudent people had better damned well be armed in the first place, and damned well better be able to use deadly force in the first instance of trouble. IOW, if you don’t know it, kill it - quickly.

I think a regime of quiet preparation, no advertising, heavily armed and stocked on essentials coupled with a deadly attitude towards intruders or happenstancers would be the order of the day.


2 posted on 03/28/2013 10:32:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: blam
Very great percentage of shooting is done without aiming, just spraying bullets.

ok

3 posted on 03/28/2013 10:34:10 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: blam

Prepping & survival is more about gardening and canning than it is about guns and ammo.


4 posted on 03/28/2013 10:38:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Gaffer
If the SHTF does happen........will be my "escape" from an old folks home...heh heh
5 posted on 03/28/2013 10:40:21 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: blam

6 posted on 03/28/2013 10:42:23 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: blam

So this is the guy I have been cleaning up after. I can’t measure the broken beer bottles & cans I have cleaned up at informal shooting locations in the woods.


7 posted on 03/28/2013 10:47:40 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Gaffer
The more elaborate the preparation, it seems to me, the more ways all that can go wrong.

Bingo. All the prep in the world does you no good if it's destroyed, or if you're forced away from it.

I'm ready for the "most likely disaster where I stay put" - in my case, a weather event - and I've also given some thought to a backup plan if something really awful like the author experienced happens.

Because Mr. SHTF doesn't care about what you've prepped for, or your good intentions, or even if you have a stomach bug that day. It's cliche, but your best prep happens between your ears.

8 posted on 03/28/2013 10:50:50 AM PDT by wbill
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To: MrB

“Prepping & survival is more about gardening and canning than it is about guns and ammo.”

Not if you have to deal with TWD (the walking dead)..


9 posted on 03/28/2013 10:52:01 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: blam

“Get good at suffering while still being able to work towards a goal.”

Too many of our fellow citizens, even those that are not 47%ers, cannot do either. Most of the rest of us can do at least one of those.


10 posted on 03/28/2013 10:54:08 AM PDT by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

TWD, or EBT?


11 posted on 03/28/2013 10:54:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Not if you have to deal with TWD (the walking dead)..

PSALM 91


12 posted on 03/28/2013 10:56:02 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: blam

It’s all in the mind set. Keeping a clear mind and knowing that the job must be done will get you through a lot.


13 posted on 03/28/2013 10:58:31 AM PDT by bgill
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To: blam

So blam, what’s going to happen to the Obama Phone Lady with the SHTF?


14 posted on 03/28/2013 11:06:29 AM PDT by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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To: Gaffer

This is a very interesting glimpse of what life could be like when SHTF. If SHTF. One tip that I am going to follow up on is to order some disposable lighters. Only about $13 for 50 on eBay. And of course, I need more food.


15 posted on 03/28/2013 11:21:12 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: MNDude; Kartographer
"So blam, what’s going to happen to the Obama Phone Lady with the SHTF?"

Could she end up in someones stew pot?

16 posted on 03/28/2013 11:24:58 AM PDT by blam
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To: MrB

Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....


17 posted on 03/28/2013 11:30:26 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Sender

If the lighters are for you skip them and get a magnesium fire starting block. Much better as long as you are not to cold to use it as it is lite with a flint strip on the side.


18 posted on 03/28/2013 11:33:52 AM PDT by jimpick
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To: blam

“Training is the key...”

Where the heck you get the bullets to train with?!?


19 posted on 03/28/2013 11:37:00 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Sender; jimpick
"One tip that I am going to follow up on is to order some disposable lighters."

I have a gross of those stored in the refigerator I have in the shed.(Bought at Sam's)

I also have the fire starting sticks too.

20 posted on 03/28/2013 11:37:28 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I’ve made some fire starters from toilet paper tubes stuffed with dryer lint and filled with parafin.
Slice into 1/2 inch disks.

Man... those things burn for a LONG time and will get your tinder going.


21 posted on 03/28/2013 11:39:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: papertyger

Semper Gumby!


22 posted on 03/28/2013 11:45:55 AM PDT by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Buy a BB gun.


23 posted on 03/28/2013 11:52:00 AM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: MrB
This is a magnesiun 'fire starter.'


24 posted on 03/28/2013 11:56:03 AM PDT by blam
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To: MrB
"I’ve made some fire starters from toilet paper tubes stuffed with dryer lint and filled with parafin. Slice into 1/2 inch disks."

I like that idea. I need to save my lint....

25 posted on 03/28/2013 11:56:54 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I don’t have time to read the whole article. What does SHTF
stand for?


26 posted on 03/28/2013 11:57:19 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Where the heck you get the bullets to train with?!?

Duh! You never heard of an xbox?

;o)

27 posted on 03/28/2013 11:58:36 AM PDT by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....)
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To: blam

As a bonus, you can patronize Hobby Lobbby for the brick of parafin (though old crayons & candles work as well).


28 posted on 03/28/2013 12:01:34 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: jimpick; blam

Actually from what I read in that article, I was getting the lighters to trade. Apparently, the means for starting a fire can be mighty valuable and might be worth a can of food.


29 posted on 03/28/2013 12:17:55 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: blam

Sooooo much people can buy now to prep both for long term hunker down and for being on the move. Look on amazon for instance, they sell medical “backpacks” akin to what field medics take with them on patrol (minus the pain killers) for a very reasonable price. I picked one up along with a staple gun for quick suture.
As someone else said, butt load of bic lighters. Why waste energy and time when you can have something so small at the ready? Lots of ammo but a good portion “ready to go”, i.e., get on the move with you..Pre-staging in case you have to bug out or knowing how to read the times and fortfying if you have to. Purchasing anti-biotics now (even if it’s from the local fish shop). Dried foods, compound bows. Shoe laces, aspirin...things that you will need for a year or so if you are on the move.


30 posted on 03/28/2013 12:35:52 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: blam

Excellent article from a guy that has the T-shirt.


31 posted on 03/28/2013 1:03:44 PM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: Gaffer
I’m not all too sure about SHTF Prepper stuff.

Same here. Armed and ready for sure. The SHTF scenario is actually a series of scenarios, the way I see it. Barring any natural catastrophe, we will probably see a series of financial collapses happen such as Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Japan, etc. (These countries are in fifth gear heading over the cliff) Then subsequent riots. Will they all happen at once?

-Don't think so. With each new collapse, people and markets will get more jittery. THE collapse we will worry about is the one right here in the USA. I could see the stock market here actually surge, because of all the idiots with any money left in those countries will want to park what's left of there wealth in the USA, alas, short lived. In the meantime, better get prepping for a two week (at a time) shortage of stuff. The most crucial of shortages will be gas, ammo, food staples.

For every person who has a "bug out" place to go there are 100,000 of us who don't. I will hang and hold on, like millions. It is the random and the panic that I really worry about.

32 posted on 03/28/2013 1:39:43 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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