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Pope washes feet of young detainees in ritual
Associated Press ^ | 3-28-2013 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 03/28/2013 12:21:53 PM PDT by haffast

Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of a dozen inmates at a juvenile detention center in a Holy Thursday ritual that he celebrated for years as archbishop and is continuing now that he is pope. Two of the 12 were young women, a remarkable choice given that the rite re-enacts Jesus' washing of the feet of his male disciples.

The Mass was held in the Casal del Marmo facility in Rome, where 46 young men and women currently are detained. Many of them are Gypsies or North African migrants, and the 12 selected for the foot-washing rite included Orthodox and Muslim detainees as well, news reports said.

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Previous popes would carry out the foot-washing ritual on Holy Thursday in Rome's grand St. John Lateran basilica and the 12 people chosen for the ritual would always be priests to represent the 12 disciples.

That Francis would include women in this re-enactment is noteworthy given the insistence of some in the church that the ritual be reserved for men only: The argument is that Jesus' disciples were all male, and the Catholic priesthood that evolved from the original 12 disciples is restricted to men.

"The pope's washing the feet of women is hugely significant because including women in this part of the Holy Thursday Mass has been frowned on — and even banned — in some dioceses," said the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and author of "The Jesuit Guide."

"It shows the all-embracing love of Christ, who ministered to all he met: man or woman, slave or free, Jew or Gentile," he said.

After the Mass, Francis greeted each of the inmates and gave each one an Easter egg.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; francis; jesuit; jesus; juveniles; popefrancis

1 posted on 03/28/2013 12:21:53 PM PDT by haffast
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To: haffast

I love this man.


2 posted on 03/28/2013 12:25:03 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: haffast
Pope Francis, could you do the world a favor, assuming that outright ouster isn't on the table, and reassign Cardinal Mahoney to be your secretary? He can stay in one of the small rooms down the hall, and be restricted to the Vatican except when accompanying you on trips such as this one.
3 posted on 03/28/2013 12:26:46 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: haffast

He appears to be the real deal, a servant rather than a master.


4 posted on 03/28/2013 12:34:25 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: haffast
"Don't lose hope," he said. "Understand? With hope you can always go on."
Amen, Pope Francis, Amen! ♥
5 posted on 03/28/2013 12:41:29 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: haffast

For a take on how some traditionalist Catholics view Francis’ Maundi Thursday Mass, check out this blog:

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/for-record-girl-among-12-inmates-whose.html

I came back to the church after years of apostacy and am facinated by the discussions of so-called traditionalist Catholics. Frankly, they seem to be the only ones who will engage in dialogue on issues such as where the Tabernacle should be placed. When I asked my parish priest that question, he almost jumped out of his vestments and literally ran off!


6 posted on 03/28/2013 12:58:50 PM PDT by society-by-contract (Repeal The Federal Reserve Act)
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To: haffast
The article attempted to make a wedge issue out of Pope Francis washing women' feet, but --- although this is not the practice in a few parishes or dioceses --- I think most of us Catholics have seen this done for years.

The Holy Thursday foot-washing is not a Sacrament (and the Church cannot change the matter of a Sacrament ---- ever: it does not have the authority). It is a (small s) "sacramental," which means the Pope certainly has the option to include women, without implying the whole structure of sex, gender and Natural Law is going to come crashing down on our heads!!

¡Viva Papa Francisco!

7 posted on 03/28/2013 1:04:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' ." - Yogi Berra)
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To: society-by-contract

I’m not Catholic - but I can understand some of these people’s adverse reactions to the Pope’s washing of their feet. Not that I agree - just understand.

The Apostles were pretty taken aback when Jesus first washed THEIR feet.


8 posted on 03/28/2013 1:16:04 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: haffast

Muslims??? No..no,,,no. Not a good sign.


9 posted on 03/28/2013 1:16:05 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Holy Thursday is the Feast of the Institution of the Holy Eucharist and the Institution of the priesthood. The Mandatum is closely tied to the priesthood. As Jesus did, so should His priests do.

That said, the GIRM clearly uses 'viri', that is 'men' for the Washing of the Feet. This is just an option for Holy Thursday and need not be done at all. However, if one is going to do it, one should stick to the General Instructions. If the leader does not, it simply gives license to all to do exactly as they please.

Further, washing the feet of a 12 year old Muslim girl might not be the wisest thing to do.

10 posted on 03/28/2013 1:41:38 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: pbear8
Thank you for that. The GIRM does say "viri".

It's likely you know more about canons and rubrics than I do (it wouldn't be hard to know more than I do, because this is an area of vast ignorance on my part!) But I was under the impression that a Pope's liturgical directions would take precedence over anybody else's, except for things that are strictly dogmata, e.g. the validity of the form or matter of a Sacrament.

Is not the Pope the chief liturgical authority of the Church? Does he not have this authority?

11 posted on 03/28/2013 1:58:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' ." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The HF utilizes Canon lawyers and liturgists simply because no one can know every little detail. I did hear that they tried to dissuade him from departing from the GIRM (General Instruction for the Roman Missal)on this day.

My concern is that a major deviation from such a clear instruction will give the green light to those who are inclined to invent a liturgy to be more inventive. Soon we would have a ghastly mess.

The HF is welcome to wash as many feet as he desires but on Holy Thursday it might be best to follow the rules and thus encourage Holy Obedience throughout the Universal Church.

12 posted on 03/28/2013 2:09:21 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: society-by-contract; Tax-chick
As a founding member of my parish's Schola Cantorum, I have a certain respect and affection for the Rad Trads, but ...

(you knew there ws going to be a "but," right?)...

...but on this issue of the Washing of Feminine Feet, in my (ignorant and reformable) opinion, it is not Pope Francis who is giving scandal, but the anti-papist* wing of the Rad Trads.

Gol-lee, with fideles like these, who needs the sensus infidelium?! It's hard enough here on Free Republic dealing with wolfpacks of sado-evangelicals, and now this?! (No, dear reader, of course I do not mean you.)

Tax-chick, I look always to you for a whiff of sanity. What do you say?


* Or is it "anti-Ultramontane"? Oh, it's all so confusing.
13 posted on 03/28/2013 2:19:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' ." - Yogi Berra)
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To: pbear8
I do see your point. However (biting lip) I trust the Pope to be able to weigh tiny non-dogmatic rubrical details from the GERM against the truly huge value of showing love for the very least of Christ's brethren (including sistren).

Also --- is this devious? --- I see a larger rhetorical strategy which will enable him to then turn on a dime and do something rad-orthodox and fry liberals' brains by fully applying the Gospel concept known as "sign of contradiction".

And I mean that in the Gospellest possible sense.

14 posted on 03/28/2013 2:31:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' ." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I guess we will just pray and stayed tuned. Blessed Triduum to you and the Mister.


15 posted on 03/28/2013 2:34:17 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: pbear8

Thank you pbear8, affectionate greetings to your pbear tribe, and most happy blessings of the Triduum to you.

Oh, and BTW I meant “GIRM.” Some of my typos are truly cringeworthy.


16 posted on 03/28/2013 2:39:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' ." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I have always thought that GRIM was funny.


17 posted on 03/28/2013 2:43:53 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: 21twelve

And even more taken aback when Jesus said they needed to eat His body and drink His blood. That was a major Yikes! for them.


18 posted on 03/28/2013 2:48:40 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And the real identity of each soul is not man or woman as manifested in this earthly realm.

In the Kingdom of God we will have our real, eternal identities which may be very different from the guises we now appear in.

A Muslim girl is not eternall a Muslim girl. Underneath or rather, inside, the earthly tent, lives the eternal soul.


19 posted on 03/28/2013 5:25:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
You are very right. Every person, by virtue of their humanity, has the ability to receive grace, if God wills it so. If a Muslim girl has her feet washed by the Pope, who can say what way she may be touched in her heart or enlightened in her mind? Who can say what grace dear Papa Fancis will receive just for doing this --- beautiful --- Christlike --- thing.

God bless you, LJ. I prayed for (with?) you consciously tonight at my parish, which had a beautiful Holy Thursday liturgy. And our pastor washed feminine feet as well: not mine, but there were were some little Señoritas up there, solemn little brown girls with the cleanest feet!

20 posted on 03/28/2013 6:52:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' ." - Yogi Berra)
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To: little jeremiah
You are very right. Every person, by virtue of their humanity, has the ability to receive grace, if God wills it so. If a Muslim girl has her feet washed by the Pope, who can say what way she may be touched in her heart or enlightened in her mind? Who can say what grace dear Papa Fancis will receive just for doing this --- beautiful --- Christlike --- thing.

God bless you, LJ. I prayed for (with?) you consciously tonight at my parish, which had a beautiful Holy Thursday liturgy. And our pastor washed feminine feet as well: not my big ol' Humanae Feetae :o) ... but there were were some little Señoritas up there, solemn little brown girls with pink toenail polish on, and the cleanest little toes!

21 posted on 03/28/2013 6:59:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' ." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Although my sanity isn’t what it used to be, I’ll venture my opinion anyway.

There’s a difference between the “sacramental” and the “symbolic” at the Last Supper. The Sacraments originated at that time are Eucharist and Holy Orders, and these have specific requirements regarding the matter to be used. For the Eucharist, the matter is bread and wine. For Holy Orders, the matter is a baptised man (and oil). For this reason, the fact that only men were at the Last Supper is significant to the question of the male-only priesthood, though not nearly as critical as the theology of the priesthood and of the Eucharist.

The washing of feet, however, was a symbolic action, not the institution of a Sacrament in which Bishops, only, wash the feet of priests, only; or in which priests wash only one another’s feet. The point, as the Lord made perfectly clear, was that the leaders of His Church should serve others in the humblest way possible, beginning with, but surely not limited to, their own apostolic brethren. We can see that the attendees understood this, since they did not limit their service, in the ensuing years, to one another.

So, from a liturgical standpoint, I think it can go either way. If the point is to emphasize the “reenactment” aspect in the liturgy, as if it were a drama, then having male actors makes sense. (Please don’t have a woman playing Julius Caesar!) If the point is to emphasize the meaning, then those whose feet are washed can reasonably include any of the community, or even - especially - outsiders such as the prisoners to whom Pope Francis has ministered.

In my parish in San Antonio, everyone in the congregation could take a turn of washing someone else’s feet. Spouses with each other, parents with children, anyone with a total stranger ... it was very touching, and brought out that every one of us is called to humble himself in service every day.


22 posted on 03/29/2013 2:41:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: haffast

Why criminals? There are devout Catholics who would have loved to be in that position. Talk about casting pearls before swine!


23 posted on 03/29/2013 5:28:17 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist; Mrs. Don-o
Why criminals?

"I was sick and in prison and you visited Me. ... Inasmuch as you did it to one of these least of My brethren, you did it to Me."

The scribes and Pharisees said of Jesus, "Why does this man eat with tax collectors and sinners?" They wanted Him to associate only with the "devout."

24 posted on 03/29/2013 6:44:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: Tax-chick
The scribes and Pharisees said of Jesus,

I'm thinking the scribes and Pharisees are going to get a good looking at with this Pope.

Add'l comment: A priest giving an Easter egg is quite familiar to the Orthodox (at the conclusion of the PASCHA liturgy.) Reckon THAT will be a bone of contention to the scrupulous?

25 posted on 03/29/2013 9:18:17 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

“Those who are well do not need a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

I’m sure some will go on about how the Easter egg is pagan and proves Pope Francis is the Antichrist.


26 posted on 03/29/2013 10:54:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: Tax-chick; don-o; Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for this thread! Excellent reading for today.


27 posted on 03/29/2013 11:14:02 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: COBOL2Java
Think you'll like this: #53
28 posted on 03/29/2013 11:26:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Habemus Papam! Axios!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Great post!


29 posted on 03/29/2013 11:48:26 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: COBOL2Java

To me, a lot of the comments about the Pope in recent days sound very much like what we read in the Gospels. “How can he do that?!” “He’s not following the rules!!!” “Doesn’t he know what kind of people those are?!?” “Eeew, TACKY!”


30 posted on 03/29/2013 12:38:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you very much for any prayers! Prayer is the real daily bread.

And you are so right about the hearts being touched - that is what spiritual connection, the kind that gives life and truth and love - it is from one heart filled with God’s truth and love, that touches a heart in darkness, and the dark heart receives the light and love. From heart to heart to heart.

The heart, according to the Vedas, is where the soul resides in the body...


31 posted on 03/29/2013 5:06:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Tax-chick; Mrs. Don-o

Everything I read about Pope Francis makes me love him.


32 posted on 03/29/2013 5:07:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; Mrs. Don-o
Everything I read about Pope Francis makes me love him.

Same here. I was not expecting that he would look at the world and the Church ... a world in which a majority do not care if the human race survives, a Church in which many lack a basic understanding of the Faith and of the Lord's commandments ... and say, "I know what this situation needs most: the very best antique lace, and excluding women from as many rituals as possible! That's how we'll convert the 21st Century world!!!"

Rule-following is very, very comfortable, and you get fancy outfits to do it in and a warm sense of superiority. "I thank you, Lord, that I am not like other men ...". Just ask the Pharisees: "They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels, and enjoy salutations in the marketplaces and the best seats at banquets." (Right, Cardinal? Best seats!) But meanwhile (look at the Roman Curia) they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.

The Pope is going around the barricades and out where it's dirty and ugly to win souls for God's Kingdom, just like Father Ho Lung, and I am absolutely thrilled.

33 posted on 03/30/2013 5:35:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: Tax-chick

Amen to that!


34 posted on 03/30/2013 8:19:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Vidi aquam egredientem de templo, a latere dextro, alleluia!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; little jeremiah
I've been thinking about the imprisoned Moslem girl who is the occasion of so much wailing and gnashing from some. Imagine the impression made on her by a man who is not so enslaved by his own lust that he insists that she be made invisible ... a man who can treat her as a human being, a soul beloved by God, a sister (or more like a granddaughter, perhaps ;-), in all purity.

Imagine the impression on a Christian or Jewish woman of a man who isn't enslaved by lust, but can treat her as a human being, instead of projecting his desires onto her. In any religion, the rules about keeping women separate or hidden are occasioned by men's lust. One can understand why quite a few men (and some confused women) are getting in a tizzy and thinking evil of Pope Francis. Projection.

35 posted on 03/30/2013 8:30:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: pbear8

Why pray tell? She does not need Jesus to wash her clean? That one act may be the act of love and service that brings her to Christ later in life. The pope did not give her communion, he performed an act of love and service. God bless him for it!


36 posted on 03/30/2013 8:35:51 AM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: Tax-chick; Mrs. Don-o

I agree with both of you!

A verse in a small 16th century set of instructions for those wishing to surrender in love to God (in my tradition) and one part of one verse of pitfalls to avoid, goes something like this (memeory not exact). There is a companion verse of “dos”.

To be avoided: Following the rules and regulataions just for the sake of following them and not for the sake of real spiritual growth; or rejecting the rules and regulations out of whim and inventing one’s own.

It sounds as though Pope Francis is doing exactly the right, he is doing neither of the above and for the good of all.


37 posted on 03/30/2013 11:45:56 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ClearBlueSky

What would Jesus have done? Refused? Spit in her face?


38 posted on 03/31/2013 8:56:53 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

Jesus washed the feet of his DISCIPLES..those who believed in Him...not the Pharisees. There MUST be a clear line drawn by the church between Islam and Christianity evil and good. One does not appease those whose stated goal is destruction of all who will not sumbit. Even Jesus did not HELP those nailing him to the cross.

These people were CHOSEN..why choose an enemy of all that you are and believe?


39 posted on 03/31/2013 1:34:06 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

You didn’t answer the question. Do you think, had Christ been washing feet, and this young woman was before her, he would have denied her? Skipped her? Called her an apostate and moved on? Rained down fire and brimstone upon her? What do you think he would have done?

Jesus performed many miracles for non-believers. He used the miracles to demonstrate he was filled with the spirit of God. He did not determine if they were believers beforehand.

And, if the ultimate goal is to convert this young woman to Christianity, don’t you think washing her feet and showing the compassion of Christ would be more effective that ignoring or castigating her?


40 posted on 03/31/2013 4:32:08 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

I don’t think Christ would choose someone who believes He, and His followers should be DEAD. He DIDN’T choose the non-believers or the Pharisees- he chose his disciples.
If you are ok with the living symbol of the Roman Catholic church humbling himself-not before his fellow believers but before a member of a death-cult that wants to erase Christianity from the planet- I am not.
Ask yourself how this will look in the Muslim world. Head of Christianity kneels before not just a Muslim, but a FEMALE Muslim and washes her feet! Feet touching you is one of the most disrespectful things to a Muslim.
I don’t like the image- and I think it will be played up to the detriment of Christianity. You don’t agree? Fine. Time will tell, but this Roman Catholic is appalled by the fact that so many fellow Christians are MORE upset by the Pope washing the feet of any woman than those of a member of an ENEMY RELIGION.


41 posted on 03/31/2013 4:41:39 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Lets try this again. Christ begins to wash these young women’s feet. Do you think he would interview them first? He comes upon this young girl. Does he ignore her? Skip her? What do you think?

Christ had the power to kill his enemies. He didn’t. He tried to teach them. And I highly doubt Christ would care how this looked to the Muslim world. He wasn’t interested in what others thought.


42 posted on 03/31/2013 4:51:39 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

Yes- it seems we have to try this again. I DID say what I think. Christ WOULD NOT wash the feet of someone who believes His religion should be destroyed. And I say He would not now, because He DID NOT then.Christ did not support evil, he went through the temple pretty violently tossing them out of God’s house. He DID NOT hold the nails for those crucifiying Him nor did he help those who were persecuting his followers.Did he forgive both thieves crucified with him, or only one?
I can’t be any plainer than that. I don’t want MY Pope humbling himself- and our religion symbolically- before ANY believer of Islam. There can only be two sides- Christianity on one, Islam on the other- because Islam HAS NOT and WILL NOT tolerate any other religion. So be it. I know what side I’m on and I’m not giving an inch toward ANY tolerance of Islam.
And if this- or ANY Pope seriously believes he’s going to convert Muslims- by symbolic humility or appeasement- I am more worried than ever. Are you one of those who were upset by the image of Hussein kissing the hands and bowing before other world leaders? Yet the symbol of Christ on earth kneeling before a Muslim is no big deal? Fascinating.


43 posted on 03/31/2013 5:11:04 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Well if you truly think Christ would have turned this young girl away instead of taking this opportunity to teach her, then we know a different Christ.


44 posted on 03/31/2013 5:17:26 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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