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Obama administration moves ahead with sweeping rules requiring cleaner gasoline
http://www.washingtonpost.com ^ | march 28, 2013 | Juliet Eilperin

Posted on 03/28/2013 4:27:50 PM PDT by lowbridge

The Environmental Protection Agency will move ahead Friday with rules requiring cleaner gasoline and cars nationwide, despite fierce protests from the oil industry and some conservative Democrats, according to several individuals briefed on the matter.

The proposed rules — which had been stuck in regulatory limbo since December 2011 in the face of intense political opposition — would cut the amount of sulfur in U.S. gasoline by two-thirds and impose fleetwide pollution limits on new vehicles by 2017.

The regulation enjoys support from auto companies, state regulators, environmental groups and equipment manufacturers. But oil industry officials and their congressional allies argue the proposed standards would raise gasoline prices and could result in greater carbon dioxide emissions because they will spur additional refining activity.

Opponents estimate the standards would force refiners to spend $10 billion to upgrade their facilities and an additional $2.4 billion in annual operating costs, adding 6 to 9 cents to the cost of a gallon of gas. Public health advocates say the ultimate cost would amount to less than a penny per gallon because of provisions giving refiners flexibility in complying with the standards.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhofascism; democrats; energy; envirofascism; epa; gasoline; keystonexl; methanehydrates; obama; oil; opec; socialism; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 03/28/2013 4:27:50 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

You keep kicking and eventually the whole thing tumbles down.


2 posted on 03/28/2013 4:39:45 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: lowbridge

Suicidal insanity.


3 posted on 03/28/2013 4:40:09 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: lowbridge


4 posted on 03/28/2013 4:44:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: lowbridge

Keep going on with imposing stricter standards. The price of a car is already out of what most people can afford. Put everything on hiatus, develop real solutions to real problems obtain limited unemployment than think about stricter standards. But DC use their brain come now lets be realistic!


5 posted on 03/28/2013 4:47:24 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: lowbridge
They could refine it down to water and they still wouldn't be satisfied.

The ultimate goal of a dictator is to wave his wand and just point it at a human being and henchmen will kill that one in the manner so desired by the dictator.

6 posted on 03/28/2013 4:49:56 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: lowbridge
Barry and Eric want to get all Whiteys out of personal vehicles and onto "public transportation" where the Knockout King crowd can have fun with them before they kill them and take their stuff.

That's a lot more fun than just having Ubama take stuff and give it to them.

7 posted on 03/28/2013 4:50:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: lowbridge
Public health advocates say the ultimate cost would amount to less than a penny per gallon

I say these so called public health advocates pay us all the difference out of their own pocket if and when theyre proven wrong.

8 posted on 03/28/2013 4:51:13 PM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: lowbridge

It has nothing to do with emissions, and everything to do with control. The goal of obama and his minions is nationalization of the oil industry, and the entire energy sector in the US. The goal is to reduce the private companies down to small enough number that the feds can easily take over, for the common good of course. Mergers and aquisitions help condense entire industries down to a few owners, which make them big fat targets for government takeover.

The more the government legislates against a paticular industry, means that they want that industry under their complete control, for the common good of course. In other words, fascism.


9 posted on 03/28/2013 5:03:26 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: lowbridge
The price of gas will of course climb to new all time highs. The MoRons who voted for this SOB will scream the loudest, but the dims will blame it on Big Oil and the idiot GOP will let them get away with it.

I never would've guessed that in a so-called Republic a handful of people could get away with destroying The Country while everyone stood by and watched.

10 posted on 03/28/2013 5:12:23 PM PDT by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: lowbridge
C'mon you infidel dogs deserve to pay 10 bucks a gallon!

Debt to Amerikkka!

11 posted on 03/28/2013 5:20:32 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: lowbridge

They don’t care that Ethanol does not clean air and it destroys engines. They don’t care.


12 posted on 03/28/2013 5:28:25 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (Forget Mexico. Put the border fence around California.)
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To: lowbridge

My Governor O’Mally just tacked on 4 cent for this summer with another 16 cents by 2016, Obama tacks on another charge for cleaning gas up we pay a subsidy to farmers for adding ethanol

Anybody else getting tired of being screwed without a kiss?


13 posted on 03/28/2013 5:39:18 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: lowbridge
The proposed rules — which had been stuck in regulatory limbo since December 2011 in the face of intense political opposition...

B.S. Obama held it up until he was safely re-elected.

14 posted on 03/28/2013 5:53:48 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: hondact200
The price of a car is already out of what most people can afford.

Of course progressives realize that overtly banning private autos would never fly in the US. So year by year they are pricing them out of reach of anyone but the elites. 20 yrs from now the segment of the public with personal vehicles will be a fraction of current numbers.

15 posted on 03/28/2013 5:58:25 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: lowbridge

Do you notice that the 0 just keeps probing and picking and adding. Like a bunch of mosquitoes that pick and bite And sting and bother you. They will hope we will eventually give up and surrender.

BUT WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER-
NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER-NEVER.


16 posted on 03/28/2013 6:47:07 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (It only takes one to start hostilities. It takes two to agree to end them.)
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To: 21st Century Crusader

Agreed, gas stations will get blamed for raising prices.


17 posted on 03/28/2013 6:57:35 PM PDT by Son House (The Heath Care Recovery Never Gets Here, Like The Economic Recovery, Easily Predictable.)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

“BUT WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER-”
___________________________________________

That is a very noble statement if one is being invaded by a foreign power, but what will YOU do while being invaded by your own moronic citizens and their illegal Marxist POTUS that they have reelected.


18 posted on 03/28/2013 7:02:04 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: lowbridge

Obamanation Counterculture File.


19 posted on 03/28/2013 7:02:23 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: lowbridge
The Environmental Protection Agency will move ahead Friday with rules requiring cleaner gasoline and cars nationwide, despite fierce protests from the oil industry

The last time EPA mandated "cleaner gasoline," we got an environmental disaster with MTBE in polluted groundwater. The oil industry had lobbied for the additive (quietly) as a competing product with the ethanol ADM was pushing. They knew at the time of the potential for MTBE to leak into soil and migrate long distances because it had already happened in Rahway, NJ in 1987. Accordingly, the Clean Air Act of 1990 (signed by 'the environmental president' GHWB) indemnified the oil companies for the oxygenate additive. In private meetings at the EPA, big oil's toady "green group" the NRDC had agreed to the deal (the NRDC lawyer present was David Donniger), and then the industry issued 'protests' prior to the adoption of the rule for public consumption.

Hence, you can't tell from reports like this what the hell may be going on in reality.

20 posted on 03/28/2013 7:26:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: lowbridge

Anything to help destroy us, He leaves nothing unturned....


21 posted on 03/28/2013 7:37:47 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: lowbridge

Elana Kagan is a big fan of federal agencies that circumvent Congress and allow the Executive to dictate through them. In some of the few legal opinions she wrote before her nomination for scotus, she spoke glowingly of the practice.


22 posted on 03/28/2013 7:45:16 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: lowbridge

And where is congress once again?


23 posted on 03/28/2013 8:42:48 PM PDT by Revel
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks lowbridge.


24 posted on 03/28/2013 9:09:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AlexW

That is 0’s plan and I won’t surrender to that either.


25 posted on 03/28/2013 9:11:14 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (It only takes one to start hostilities. It takes two to agree to end them.)
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To: hondact200

I think my 96 RAV4 is sitting in the driveway going up in value.


26 posted on 03/28/2013 10:44:07 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: lowbridge

“After my election I have more flexibility.”


27 posted on 03/29/2013 3:04:25 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: hadaclueonce
They don’t care that Ethanol does not clean air and it destroys engines. They don’t care.

Which is their intent IMHO, especially lawncare, tractors etc devices.

My lawnmower runs like crap on this fuel, if the carb wasn't so complicated I'd propane convert it in a heartbeat.

But their goal IMHO is to have us buy electrical varients of these devices or not do yard-scaping at all, as some sort of "green" landscape would be much more earth friendly.....

28 posted on 03/29/2013 3:33:00 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: factoryrat
It has nothing to do with emissions, and everything to do with control. The goal of obama and his minions is nationalization of the oil industry, and the entire energy sector in the US. The goal is to reduce the private companies down to small enough number that the feds can easily take over, for the common good of course. Mergers and aquisitions help condense entire industries down to a few owners, which make them big fat targets for government takeover. The more the government legislates against a paticular industry, means that they want that industry under their complete control, for the common good of course. In other words, fascism.

Talk to your favorite CPA's etc off the record and find out how many small businesses have given up the ghost since 08' and how many vacant store fronts you have in your town post 08' because they can't make it in the regulatory, Obamacare, and lack of commerical paper environment post Dodd Frank...

29 posted on 03/29/2013 3:36:30 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: hondact200
that's the goal.

get the Nomenklatura all in Volts and the serfs and peons on the choo choo that our overlords so graciously supplied to get you to the job at the GM broom factory.

30 posted on 03/29/2013 8:08:49 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: factoryrat; All

“It has nothing to do with emissions, and everything to do with control. The goal of obama and his minions is nationalization of the oil industry, and the entire energy sector in the US. “

Winner!


31 posted on 03/29/2013 11:17:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: lowbridge

“Public health advocates say the ultimate cost would amount to less than a penny per gallon”

Because we all know that public health advocates are experts on hydrocarbon refining.


32 posted on 03/29/2013 1:03:32 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: lowbridge

the same pols who are pushing for the new rules will be the same ones at the front of the microphones wailing against higher gasoline prices, and more than the rules themselves it’s their ignorant hypocrisy that is the biggest injustice to the public


33 posted on 03/29/2013 5:20:39 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It really annoys me that when people say I shouldn’t racially profile, or be “scared” around groups of black people.

I know that a lot of blacks aren’t violent thugs. But I also know that black on (race) crime is higher than any other group. But try to bring up the facts and you get labelled a racist. At some point people are going to have to acknowledge the facts and not be politically correct. All humans are equal, but all cultures are NOT equal. It’s as simple as that.


34 posted on 03/30/2013 4:03:36 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: FreedomStar3028
At some point people are going to have to acknowledge the facts and not be politically correct.

Political correctness and affirmative action will both end the moment Ubama declares martial law.

He will simultaneously defund theie EBT cards, giving Eric Holder's people the "go" signal they have been waiting for.

35 posted on 03/30/2013 7:57:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: lowbridge

As I oft tell my Obama-loving mother-in-law, Obama really does like the poor, which is why he creates so many of them.


36 posted on 03/30/2013 3:20:59 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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Before everyone yells "This is a bad idea!", it should be noted that in Europe, Japan and the states that comply with CARB emission rules, gasoline can have no more than 10 parts per million of sulfur compounds. With all 50 states now going to 10 ppm sulfur compound gasoline, this will make it possible to use advanced de-NOx catalytic converters, which is necessary for gasoline direct injection engines running at higher compression ratios. Higher compression ratios on GDI engines means more performance and lower fuel consumption.
37 posted on 03/30/2013 7:04:59 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

Can you translate that for us non-mechanics?

I’ve rebuilt a carburetor once or twice, but that’s the extent of my expertise.


38 posted on 03/30/2013 8:10:47 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball
Here's what I know: on a gasoline direct injection (GDI) engine, the fuel is directly into the combustion chamber, not into the intake air stream just before engine intake valves (this is what's known as port fuel injection). By directly spraying the fuel into the combustion chamber, the gasoline acts to "cool" the air fuel mixture before the spark plug ignites the mix, which results in more efficient fuel combustion.

It also allows the compression ratio of the engine to be raised well above normal, which results in more power and better fuel economy. Unfortunately, this change also increases the NOx gases in the exhaust, which requires wnat's known as a de-NOx catalytic converter. While this works, de-NOx catalytic converters cannot work with gasoline that have more than 10 parts per million of sulfur compounds. With the new EPA requirement that all gasoline must be limited to no more than 10 ppm of sulfur compounds, that makes de-NOx catalytic converters viable, making it possible for more powerful GDI engines with lower fuel consumption.

39 posted on 03/30/2013 8:21:12 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: factoryrat

That’s it in a nutshell. This sob is Mussolini all over


40 posted on 03/30/2013 10:31:57 PM PDT by Figment
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To: factoryrat

“It has nothing to do with emissions, and everything to do with control. The goal of obama and his minions is nationalization of the oil industry, and the entire energy sector in the US.”

The absolute control of everything. The government is out of control and needs to be reined in


41 posted on 03/30/2013 10:47:17 PM PDT by Figment
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To: RayChuang88

Thanks!

So would this mean new federal requirements for auto manufacturers going forward? Is this something that’s going to increase the cost of our next cars?


42 posted on 03/31/2013 4:27:38 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball

The engines I’ve described have been available in Europe for just over five years. That’s why Audi and BMW’s have GDI engines sold in Europe, and now we’ll see a lot more of them in the USA.


43 posted on 03/31/2013 7:38:26 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

So these new rules aren’t as big a deal as we would suspect.

Thanks for the insight!


44 posted on 03/31/2013 8:19:18 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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