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Gun groups promise fight as U.N. inches toward override of Second Amendment
Washington Times ^ | March 28, 2013 | Tom Howell Jr.

Posted on 03/29/2013 4:47:32 PM PDT by Innovative

American gun rights advocates said Thursday that they remain determined to block a far-reaching U.S. agreement on international arms sales, warning that the pact could lead to a national firearms registry and disrupt the U.S. gun market, even as the accord ran into an unexpected last-minute snag in negotiations in New York.

In its budget debate last weekend, the Senate approved a nonbinding amendment opposing the treaty offered by Sen. James M. Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican, with eight Democrats joining all 45 Republicans backing the amendment.

Despite the Senate vote, numerous groups have pressured Mr. Obama to support the treaty. Amnesty International staged a rally in front of the White House to highlight the number of innocent people around the world who have been killed by trafficked weapons.

The treaty now will go before the General Assembly, where it is expected to win overwhelming approval.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; freedom; frommycolddeadhands; guncontrol; gungrab; guns; internationallaw; obama; secondamendment; unitednations
Note that the Senate vote was NON-BINDING.

Just watch Obama support the treaty, which basically nullifies our Second Amendment rights.

Elections have consequences...

1 posted on 03/29/2013 4:47:32 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

How about we just save $7.6+ Billion/yr and quit the UN?


2 posted on 03/29/2013 4:50:28 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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Nations optimistic about UN global arms trade treaty deal

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/28/optimism-in-un-on-global-arms-trade-treaty-as-us-is-said-to-go-along-with-deal

Supporters of a U.N. treaty designed to regulate the multibillion-dollar global arms trade were optimistic that a final draft circulated a day before Thursday’s deadline will reach consensus.

Negotiators reconvened last week in a final attempt to reach a deal on the Arms Trade Treaty, which would require all countries to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and to regulate arms brokers.

U.N. diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity because negotiations have been private, said Wednesday the United States was virtually certain to go along with the latest text.


3 posted on 03/29/2013 4:50:35 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

We are not obligated to abide by this law. The senate will not ratify this by 2/3, and the states will not abide by any law infringing on their sovereignty. If the UN wants to start a war with American people, they’re going to get it.


4 posted on 03/29/2013 4:51:27 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Innovative

Cue the countdown to the manufactured “crisis” to win back waning public support for gun control...


5 posted on 03/29/2013 4:52:36 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Innovative

ping


6 posted on 03/29/2013 4:55:07 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Innovative

It would be good for the Republic to have (1) a treaty thrown out by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional, and (2) a successful prosecution for treason, with a death sentence given and carried out.


7 posted on 03/29/2013 4:55:41 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: Innovative

Seems it was “stalled” by Iran, Syria, and N. Korea....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/29/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE92R10E20130329


8 posted on 03/29/2013 4:56:33 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Innovative

The UN Arms Trade Treaty and the Gun Grab

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2013/3/the-un-arms-trade-treaty-and-the-gun-grab

“But the problem is bigger than the Second Amendment. Under this new approach, the U.S. government is not merely (or even not primarily) supposed to transmit the choices of the American people into the world at large: it is supposed to receive the views of the world at large and transmit them to (or enforce them upon) the American people. That “swirling interactive process” could just as easily be used to “download” norms that would seek to change the meaning of the First Amendment, or the laws of war.”


9 posted on 03/29/2013 4:57:04 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Hodar
How about we just save $7.6+ Billion/yr and quit the UN?

I second that, and add we evict the U.N. from the U.S.

10 posted on 03/29/2013 4:59:06 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Innovative

The treaty is not constitutional. The presidents support would be unconstitutional.

The constitution belongs to the People, not their SERVANT, the President.


11 posted on 03/29/2013 5:02:33 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Innovative

The UN won’t override the second amendment. A large pile of dead bodies will result.


12 posted on 03/29/2013 5:22:18 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: meyer

Obama is already chipping away at it using executive powers.

Obama uses executive power to move gun control agenda forward

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/290885-obama-uses-executive-power-to-move-gun-control-forward


13 posted on 03/29/2013 5:27:13 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Standing Wolf

And they can taked the Dept of Education, Energy and the EPA with them.


14 posted on 03/29/2013 5:42:05 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Innovative

Here’s the problem:

“American gun rights advocates said Thursday that they remain determined to block a far-reaching U.S. agreement on international arms sales, warning that the pact could lead to a national firearms registry and disrupt the U.S. gun market”

This is too mild.

American gunowners should be warning the Nazi leftists that they’ll be hanging from lampposts.


15 posted on 03/29/2013 5:53:31 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Standing Wolf

Ya. And open the building to the homeless and druggies.


16 posted on 03/29/2013 6:08:47 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Innovative
"This Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty" (Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17).

Constitutional Limitations on the Treaty Power
Justia.com
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-2/19-constitutional-limitations-on-treaty-power.html

Excerpt:
“As statutes may be held void because they contravene the Constitution, it should follow that treaties may be held void, the Constitution being superior to both. And indeed the Court has numerous times so stated.”

TREATIES DO NOT SUPERCEDE THE CONSTITUTION
http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/Articles/Treaties.htm

Treaties

Curtis W. Caine, MD
Hacienda Publishing

[Excerpt:]

Thomas Jefferson was clear on this point: "If the treaty power is unlimited, then we don't have a Constitution. Surely the President and the Senate cannot do by treaty what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way." Alexander Hamilton agreed: "a treaty cannot be made which alters the Constitution of the country or which infringes any express exceptions to the power of the Constitution of the United States."(2)

In spite of all of the obvious above, some people doggedly insist that "treaties supersede the Constitution" because they want treaties to supersede the Constitution so they can escape the chains of the Constitution! And they plan and scheme relentlessly toward achieving that end. Some even boast of having made an end run around the Constitution.



17 posted on 03/29/2013 6:13:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Innovative

US out of the UN, UN off US soil!


18 posted on 03/29/2013 6:31:11 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Innovative
Just watch Obama support the treaty, which basically nullifies violates our Second Amendment rights.

The government cannot "nullify" a preexisting right.

Elections have consequences...

So do words.

19 posted on 03/29/2013 6:43:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: familyop

Exactly!


20 posted on 03/30/2013 4:39:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: rarestia
We are not obligated to abide by this law. The senate will not ratify this by 2/3, and the states will not abide by any law infringing on their sovereignty. If the UN wants to start a war with American people, they’re going to get it.

There's likely a pile of "laws" we are not obliged to abide by. Yet we do - day-after-day. Hopefully this latest assault will be the one that wakens the "Freedom gene" that the Founders had and this trend turns around. Unlike the other side, our side tends to be way to pragmatic (It may be wrong, but the law is the law and a nation without laws is...) and the other side has no compunctions about breaking any law that stands in their way.

21 posted on 03/30/2013 5:18:13 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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