Skip to comments.The Death of the Family [Steyn]
Posted on 03/29/2013 6:23:57 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross
Delusion and parochialism about marriage.
Gay marriage? It came up at dinner Down Under this time last year, and the prominent Aussie politician on my right said matter-of-factly, Its not about expanding marriage, its about destroying marriage.
That would be the most obvious explanation as to why the same societal groups who assured us in the Seventies that marriage was either (a) a meaningless piece of paper or (b) institutionalized rape are now insisting its a universal human right. Theyve figured out what, say, terrorist-turned-educator Bill Ayers did that, when it comes to destroying core civilizational institutions, trying to blow them up is less effective than hollowing them out from within.
On the other hand, there are those who argue its a victory for the powerful undertow of bourgeois values over the surface ripples of sexual transgressiveness: Gays will now be as drearily suburban as the rest of us. A couple of years back, I saw a picture in the paper of two chubby old queens tying the knot at City Hall in Vancouver, and the thought occurred that Western liberalism had finally succeeded in boring all the fun out of homosexuality.
Which of these alternative scenarios the demolition of marriage or the taming of the gay will come to pass?
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The most reliable constituency for Big Government is single women, for whom the state is a girls best friend, the sugar daddy whose checks never bounce. A society in which a majority of births are out of wedlock cannot be other than a Big Government welfare society. Ruining a nations finances is one thing; debauching its human capital is far harder to fix.
I’m really getting discouraged.
Whenever I read or listen to Steyn I feel smarter
Liberal statism requires mindless serfs to labor to support a favored, tiny, elite ruling class. Hard working, educated, God fearing Americans raising kids in healthy stable marriages so their kids will grow up like them to be another generation of prosperous individualists is what lefties hate even worse than our ability to own & use guns.
One reason why conservative appeals to protect the sacred procreative essence of marriage have gone nowhere is because Americans are rapidly joining the Scandinavians in doing most of their procreating without benefit of clergy. Seventy percent of black babies are born out of wedlock, so are 53 percent of Hispanics (the natural conservative constituency du jour, according to every lavishly remunerated Republican consultant), and 70 percent of the offspring of poor white women.
I happened to be in the car the other day listening to the radio when Rush Limbaugh launched into his pessimistic downer of a monologue about the inevitability of "gay marriage" becoming a reality in the U.S. As I was listening to it, two things really stuck in my mind:
1. This guy has been married four times.
2. This guy had Elton John play at his last wedding in 2010.
Item #2 should not be overlooked, because it involves two aspects: (A) Limbaugh invited him, and (B) Elton John accepted the invitation.
When I got home I did some research and found some very interesting articles linked in the Google search on "Elton John, Rush Limbaugh." Among other things, Elton John says that Rush Limbaugh is very different off the air ... and he even suggests that Limbaugh (while he will never admit it publicly) is a supporter of "gay marriage."
I think Mark Steyn is right. The institutions of this country are being run by a monolithic ruling class that has no moral foundation and is completely disconnected from the nation's historical cultural norms.
Thanks for posting this. This is brilliant.
And they can rule that an unnatural union between homosexuals is a "marriage," and that will be no more true.
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“Discouraged” is a pretty mild term for what is happening to all of what was formerly called Western civilization. But I figure Christianity has now “moved on,” down to the global south and to Asia, and so the new world the PC-fruitcakes are making can just go its rotten way until the Muslims take over anything that might be left.
Rush, O’Reilly, and others make money telling us what they think we want to hear. They are entertainers - nothing more. I will admit that Rush played a large part in turning me into a conservative, though I think it would have happened anyway as I got older. Still, I don’t worship the golden microphone and am thankful we can get our news from a lot of different sources, the best being FR.
Some of these "conservative media personalities" are dumb as bags of rocks once they are off the air and out of their controlled environment. I don't necessarily include Limbaugh in this group, but you might be shocked at how mediocre some of his counterparts in the industry are.
Yeah, he’s like that isn’t he?
I heard Don Imus ( on his radio program ) ask the question regarding Gay Marriage - What harm is there in letting people do what they want with their own lives?
First, regarding What harm is there in letting people do what they want with their own lives? Liberals make a common mistake in assuming this issue is about limiting the freedom of homosexuals.
The reality is - theres currently nothing that stops homosexuals from making lifelong commitments to each other. Gays already are allowed to make the same commitment. In fact, its done all the time. They already have the liberty to do what they want with their own lives.
The problem lies here - A marriage license, however, goes a step further than providing liberty.
It doesnt give liberty, it FORCES SOCIETYs APPROVAL of that union, which homosexuals dont presently have.
It forces people whose deeply held religious beliefs tell them that homosexual acts are sinful to give their APPROVAL to these acts.
So, gay marriage is not about what homosexuals are being forced by others not to do, but what society is being forced to do by homosexuals: APPROVE. Thats another issue entirely.
Gays can marry all they want, but why should devout Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and others be FORCED to violate their religious tenets in order to give approval to this lifestyle?
Second, implicit in the act of altering the definition of marriage to include homosexuals is the acknowledgment that marriage isnt anything in particular, but can be defined and redefined as society likes.
If marriage isnt any particular thing, then family isnt any particular thing either (this not only follows; its an integral part of their argument). If we then concede that family isnt anything in particular, but is simply a convention, a social construct we invented and can alter at will, then this has direct ramifications for the future of the family as we know it.
How can you say this isnt an impact?
Finally, if marriage isnt anything in particular, but is merely defined by society in a way that the definition can change to meet changing conditions, then you cannot argue that marriage between humans and animals could never take place because animals cant consent (or cant, as some people put it, enter into contracts).
Who are you to say that a marriage is based on consent? If you can change its definition once you can change it again.
For instance, a baby used to be considered human, worthy of protection under the law. Now, there are those who would allow babies born alive to be slaughtered. Once you start on that path, how does it end? What was once considered a ridiculous argument has now become REAL and something we are now grappling with.
Its also a bit stunning that liberal objections to humans marrying animals is grounded in the inability of animals to consent. Is this the best rejoinder they can offer?
Philosopher J.P. Moreland tells of a guy in Colorado, I think, who brought his horse to the courthouse to try to get a marriage license for the two of them. The clerk was flummoxed for a moment and finally turned him away because the horse wasnt 18 years old yet! I guess this was just another way of saying that the horse was under the age of consent.
My point is, I think there is a more obvious concern than mere consent. Marriage *IS* and *MEANS* something in particular, not something we can re-define and twist any way we want.
But, they can force us, at the point of a gun, to ACT as if it were true.
To summarize - Homosexual marriage is not something new out to destroy marriage and the family.
Rather, it is just another milestone on the road to destruction of marriage and the family.
As you point out, heterosexuals and society of the last 50 years have made a joke of marriage. Homosexual “marriage” will simply take the next step, and make the idea of marriage a total absurdity.
Marriage of Convenience - an adapation of a society to the pressures of political, social or economic means without any personal attachment. Do we truly believe the politicians in DC truly believe that Gay marriage is the solution.
The Family structure will be destroyed. But look at America - Single Mother Led Families are the norm.
- Political, Media, Celebrities - married multiple times after multiple divorces.
- No fault divorces
- Living together without being married norm
So America is in the process of reaping what it has sown - degradation of the family unit to that of something totally different.
Liberals will expand on the degradation - political gain. make the family mean something totally different 2 mommies 2 daddies. Partners. Look at Univ of Wisconsin Madison - faggots, queers run the university - remember the capitol protests in wisconsin. Look at John hopkins - medical students do not want Dr. Benjamin Carson to speak because of his views on the family, marriage and he does not endorse gay marriage.
celebrities - Kristen Bell mother, but refuses to marry her finance (child’s father) because her friends whom are gay and lesbians do not have marriage equality.
Elton John gay and married and has a child with his partner - but he is in the UK. US must be like Europe ( gag me)
Very good. To sum it up “If marriage can mean anything then it means nothing”.
Obamanation Counterculture File.
Is this what the moderates wanted when they voted liberal Democrat?
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