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The Death of the Family [Steyn]
National Review ^ | 3/29/2013 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/29/2013 6:23:57 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross

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To: kearnyirish2
"Economics were a basic reason marriage endured, and sugar-daddy “Uncle Sam” removed that (the effects of this could especially be seen in the breakdown of the black family). Removing children from the equation (or lack of regard for children in a marriage) was the final straw."

You may be right on that frount too, I must admit I was thinking about it when writing my post.

Anther key change is the growth of women in the work place which has created further financial Independence from men & families coinciding with the break down of the family. Wether this proceeds or follows the family break down may be indicative of whether or not its a factor. I suspected originality however given the poor straits many if not most single mothers are in would tend to rule this factor as a by-protect rather than a cause. It is however possible that it is either both or a symptom of the same root cultural change. Our view nonetheless must be broadly focused on the other social, political, and economic changes taking place over this and the proceeding(1 generation) period.

51 posted on 03/30/2013 11:51:13 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

“Anther key change is the growth of women in the work place which has created further financial Independence from men & families coinciding with the break down of the family.”

I think people are re-thinking this, as women realize that their careers are basically a barrier to families; wealthy childless white women can’t be thrilled to work their tails off (with the appropriate taxation) just to see they are subsidizing a new, foreign breed of children who often have stay-at-home moms. I don’t see a solution in the current legal atmosphere (where the men won’t marry anyway), but the results are clear for all to see: a steady decline in the number of Americans of European descent, matched by a steady increase in “Americans” from Latin America, Asia, and Africa.


52 posted on 03/30/2013 8:54:15 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

“I think people are re-thinking this, as women realize that their careers are basically a barrier to families; wealthy childless white women can’t be thrilled to work their tails off (with the appropriate taxation) just to see they are subsidizing a new, foreign breed of children who often have stay-at-home moms.”

Indeed what is the point of working & earning weath if you can’t provide for a family you don’t have to provide for?

Nether God, nor nature recognize the earthly possessions of men & women. At the end of the day the only form of real wealth of sonficance is your children(famly). You can’t take your possessions with you when you die, but if you have a large enough family they will go on forever.


” I don’t see a solution in the current legal atmosphere (where the men won’t marry anyway),”

I didn’t either until I remembered my history after the fall of the roman empire the church took compete control of such matters, continuing the basic functions that allowed people to continue to exist, even as most of civilization collapsed around them.

Even thou our Government works to destroy family and marriage we are still capable of replacing the institution and insisting upon participation in a real(binding) marriage instead.

We cannot do this for the whole of our Civilization, but we can do this for our own families & communities. Time will tear down the rest around us just as time tore down Roman civilization.

But if we remain committed and determined religiously we can survive. Even as the dying culture around us declares us cults and tries to demonize us.


” but the results are clear for all to see: a steady decline in the number of Americans of European descent, matched by a steady increase in “Americans” from Latin America, Asia, and Africa.”

We both recognize this fact as sad evidence of the fall of our civilization, just as we recognized the reason for this fall. But we should not be so depressed by the results of theses values as to ignore the very clear implication of their self-extermination.

nether we nor our families have to take part in this cultural suicide. We can encourage large families and insist upon real bonds of matrimony.

In the end we and our children should rest assured that the leftist will wipe themselves and hoses foolish enough to follow them out in a few more generations. We will at last be joined by others with at least comparable believes as the survivers of this insanity.


53 posted on 03/30/2013 11:18:06 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

Good points. I don’t see the influx of immigrants itself as a problem; we really are a nation built on this. The problem arises when you see how they are assimilated (when they are assimilated at all); many are simply flocking here for the freebies, and the American Dream (work hard and succeed) has nothing to do with it.


54 posted on 04/01/2013 7:30:31 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
The problem arises when you see how they are assimilated (when they are assimilated at all); many are simply flocking here for the freebies, and the American Dream (work hard and succeed) has nothing to do with it.

I would be less vehemently opposed to immigration if I was confident that the children of those immigrants would be taught our founding principles and why they should be respected.

But it was obvious the fix was in when the stated goal became a "multicultural" society as opposed to a multiethnic one.

It is now a competition to see whose "culture" prevails.

55 posted on 04/01/2013 7:40:31 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“I would be less vehemently opposed to immigration if I was confident that the children of those immigrants would be taught our founding principles and why they should be respected. But it was obvious the fix was in when the stated goal became a “multicultural” society as opposed to a multiethnic one.”

Your issue should be with the enemy within; these people are being welcomed by “Americans” determined to see this country re-made into a Marxist utopia. There has always been dissent in this country, but since the 1960s the dissenters have been steadily winning.


56 posted on 04/02/2013 3:05:38 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping. I seemed to have missed this one in the madness of March.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping Servant of the Cross.


57 posted on 04/05/2013 4:19:54 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Servant of the Cross

BTTT


58 posted on 04/05/2013 5:12:54 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: boatbums

The liberal elites’ goal is not to have gays be able to marry - their goal is to destroy marriage. As you say most gays don’t want to ‘marry’ anyhow...so that’s not the issue.

Going Galt must include cultural suicide. Europeans are doing it - they’re not having children - they’re not willing to condemn offspring to the hollowness of liberal-land existence.

It’s what we need to do too. Without us propping up systems used by liberal elites, they’ll lose power. All the ‘undocumented Democrats’ (illegal aliens) won’t leave them in power once we and what would have been “ours’ are gone. It’ll be horrible, but ‘our children’ won’t have to be here...


59 posted on 04/05/2013 5:48:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: JLS
Thanks for ping - thought-provoking, to say the least!

Steyn is so often right on the mark, although I am not quite so pessimistic about the American culture in general as he is. It is a very good thing to take into account his insights and information when trying to explain to others why you don't support "marriage equality"...

Maybe I'll forward this to Senator Portman? (couldn't hurt, lol!)

60 posted on 04/06/2013 3:11:12 PM PDT by 88keys ("This is no time to go wobbly"....)
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To: SeekAndFind; firebrand; RaceBannon; Ezekiel; SJackson

BUMP to a great post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3002260/posts?page=14#14


61 posted on 04/06/2013 11:23:41 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Servant of the Cross

I wish someone could make for me one of those avatar graphic thingies that I could put on Facebook. I’d want it to say:

I’m for MARRIAGE QUALITY


62 posted on 04/07/2013 10:26:09 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: Alberta's Child

Better late than never, but let me agree with what you said about Rush Limbaugh.

For all his talents and intelligence, and I’m a big fan of Rush, he rarely emphasizes social issues. He has been married four times and invited Elton John to his wedding party. He is apparently one those elites who are uncomfortable talking about icky things like abortion and marriage. Too bad, because our culture and morality are going down the drain.


63 posted on 04/26/2013 3:40:38 PM PDT by heye2monn
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