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Kansas couple: Indoor gardening prompted pot raid
yahoo ^ | AP | HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH

Posted on 03/30/2013 7:44:49 AM PDT by bgill

Two former CIA employees whose Kansas home was fruitlessly searched for marijuana during a two-state drug sweep claim they were illegally targeted, possibly because they had bought indoor growing supplies to raise vegetables.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: agenda21; garden; marijuana
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First, they tried to crack down on farmers' markets and now they're after your 'maters. Next, they'll ban home gardens.
1 posted on 03/30/2013 7:44:49 AM PDT by bgill
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To: greeneyes

ping list?


2 posted on 03/30/2013 7:45:10 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

Had they lived in Colorado or Washington state it would have gone in noticed.


3 posted on 03/30/2013 7:48:20 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: greeneyes; afraidfortherepublic

ping.


4 posted on 03/30/2013 7:49:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: bgill

The police were targeting the house for asset forfeiture.

Too bad he didn’t have a dog they could shoot.


5 posted on 03/30/2013 7:52:37 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: bgill; greeneyes; Mr. Silverback; cripplecreek; NoLibZone; Lucky9teen; Pete; bicyclerepair; ...

Greeneyes, I vote you ring up the gardener ping list too! (I’m alerting the Agenda 21 list.) Other gardeners and freedom lovers need to read this story. It isn’t (IMHO) just another “oops” story. The ptb really DO want to control all the food sources.

If you doubt this, take a peek at the Agenda 21 threads.

If anyone wants to be on or off the Agenda 21 ping list, please notify me by Freepmail. It is a relatively low volume list in which we have been exploring the UN Agenda21 and related topics. We have collected our studies with threads, links, and discussions on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts

NEW ACTION THREAD:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2863065/posts

Post 128 of the Action Thread is a summary of the history of Agenda 21, “what they are doing”, “what to do about it” and a good bibliography for further reading.


6 posted on 03/30/2013 7:52:54 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: bgill

Growing vegetables is risky business these days.

It is nice they knocked, and no dogs were injured during their raid.


7 posted on 03/30/2013 7:53:56 AM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: bgill

Growing your own food? Bad
EBT card? Good

No prepping — government dependency only, please.


8 posted on 03/30/2013 7:55:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: bgill
"You can't go into people's homes and conduct searches without probable cause," Pilate said.

How quaint. How...pre-Obama...

9 posted on 03/30/2013 7:57:28 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: bgill

Hello! You can’t grow you own vegetables, think of the poor farmers./////

Mayor Bloomberg: “Home grown vegetables are not ‘safe’ until WE THE GOVERNMENT put the approval stamp on them”

“Sometimes people need WE THE GOVERNMENT to educate them. It is for your own good.”


10 posted on 03/30/2013 7:59:35 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: bgill
We've done some indoor gardening, and I always worried about this, not because I grow dope, but because I have faith in the corruption of "law enforcement."

It's the 90% of LEOs who give the other 10% a bad name.

11 posted on 03/30/2013 8:01:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Growing your own food? Bad

They should have shot Wickard, and sent Filburn to Congress.

12 posted on 03/30/2013 8:02:25 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: bgill
There was once a former cop who made “don't get busted” videos about police techniques and dealing with cops.

Then he started setting up houses with legal indoor grow rooms and placing cameras inside. SWAT would come soon after and be surprised with “smile you're on camera” signs. Some of the warrants even supposedly had “confidential informants” saying they testified about pot growing. He basically proved the informants were made up and cops were doing illegal random searches with imaging equipment.

Soon after, he was arrested many times under suspicious circumstances. He was never found guilty but stopped making the videos...

13 posted on 03/30/2013 8:03:49 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga
I love the scene in "Unintended Consequences" when Henry Bowman looks out the window and sees several shadowy figures clustered around his front door, about to break in. Clearly a home invasion in progress. He takes out most of the group and leaves two survivors for questioning.

Turns out it's a bogus ATF raid. Okay. No more survivors. And Henry Bowman goes to war.

14 posted on 03/30/2013 8:08:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: bgill

This has nothing to do with marijuana plants. Two former CIA employees? Girl, please.


15 posted on 03/30/2013 8:10:13 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: COBOL2Java
"You can't go into people's homes and conduct searches without probable cause," "I wash my hands of this man's blood." Pilate said.
16 posted on 03/30/2013 8:16:53 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You can grow your own food, but only if it receives lavish government subsidy and a significant portion is distilled into alcohol so it can ruin automobile motors under the rubric of ‘clean’ energy.


17 posted on 03/30/2013 8:35:23 AM PDT by relictele
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To: tacticalogic

stealing that for my facebook page.


18 posted on 03/30/2013 8:46:00 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: varyouga; bgill
Some of the warrants even supposedly had “confidential informants” saying they testified about pot growing.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist (no slight intended given your background) or even a legal scholar to understand that if the judge doesn’t have the identity of the “confidential witness”, then the essential constitutional probable cause might be based on nothing more than neighborhood gossip or a rogue law enforcement agency.

In a sane process, any judge who actually honored the 4th A. would require, under seal, the witness's identity confirmed with drivers license, perhaps finger prints, etc.

Of course, without a bona fide witness, there would be no supporting "testimony", no probable cause and citizens as here would suffer from fewer unreasonable searches (with taxpayers picking up the bill).

If the testimony was bogus (as could be easily proven in cases such as this), it might have been given out of spite or obtained via police coercion and could be subsequently handled accordingly (expose the witness to criminal and civil liability, or clean up the agency).

19 posted on 03/30/2013 8:56:03 AM PDT by frog in a pot
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To: ClearCase_guy
Check out a copy of the 1984 epic The Killing Fields with Dith Pran, the Cambodian photo journalist, if you haven't already.

One scene which sticks in my mind is a child who discovers and uproots tomato plants in one of those grizzly labor camps because such activity isn't officially sanctioned by the masters. The child, or course, receives an outpouring of praise for his discovery.

20 posted on 03/30/2013 8:56:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: KEVLAR

Good thing my ancient Troy-Bilt tiller is off the books!
And we have two dogs and that would make us a prime target!


21 posted on 03/30/2013 9:10:35 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I love the scene in "Unintended Consequences" when Henry Bowman looks out the window and sees several shadowy figures clustered around his front door, about to break in. Clearly a home invasion in progress. He takes out most of the group and leaves two survivors for questioning. Turns out it's a bogus ATF raid. Okay. No more survivors. And Henry Bowman goes to war.

One of my favorite books. I passed it on when I was done with it.

22 posted on 03/30/2013 9:18:25 AM PDT by KirbDog
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To: bgill

Which way to civil court ?


23 posted on 03/30/2013 9:20:26 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: bgill

“With little or no other evidence of any illegal activity, law enforcement officers make the assumption that shoppers at the store are potential marijuana growers, even though the stores are most commonly frequented by backyard gardeners who grow organically or start seedlings indoors,” the couple’s lawsuit says.


24 posted on 03/30/2013 9:29:12 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: KirbDog; varyouga

Oh, it was a book. I looked it up thinking to rent the movie, and there was a movie with that name from 2010. However, the plot wasn’t anything like that.


26 posted on 03/30/2013 9:50:13 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: tacticalogic

Love your tag line!


27 posted on 03/30/2013 10:13:11 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Somebody already did make grow setups for SWAT but he had cameras, not traps. See my post 13.

I think he even made a show about it called “Cop Busters” but it was shut down rather quickly and quietly...


28 posted on 03/30/2013 10:17:50 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: relictele
Otherwise known as moonshine.
29 posted on 03/30/2013 10:35:30 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: bgill

We just smiled and waved/Sittin’ on that sack of seeds.


30 posted on 03/30/2013 10:36:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Defiant
Oh, it was a book. I looked it up thinking to rent the movie, and there was a movie with that name from 2010. However, the plot wasn't anything like that.

Yep it's a book. A very expensive book if you can find it at all. Seems the powers that be didn't like it when it was published and pretty much shut it down. But if you look around it can be found, a very good read and I learned quite a few things. It's really to bad it has never been reprinted.

31 posted on 03/30/2013 11:03:29 AM PDT by KirbDog
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To: TEXOKIE

BTTT!


32 posted on 03/30/2013 11:48:09 AM PDT by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who uses the terms “social justice” and “fair distribution".)
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To: glorgau
I'm thinking about placing a life size mean dog poster in the foyer for the police to shoot at,
and with a 2" steel backing those bullets should ricochet really nicely.
33 posted on 03/30/2013 11:50:58 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: varyouga

Back in the sixties a couple of friends got word to one of our little small town cops that some guy had some LSD. The cop went after the guy and found a pill in his pocket. He sent it off to the state lab for testing and thought he was going to be hired by the FBI after this big bust. It came back a birth control pill.


34 posted on 03/30/2013 12:58:08 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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I notive the woman is really concerned about “rights”. I wonder how many “rights” she stepped on, or helped her colleagues step on, in her former job.


35 posted on 03/30/2013 1:08:38 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: bgill; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; billhilly; ...

bgill, I usually don’t ping the garden list more than once a week, but will make an exception for this. While there is much talk on this thread about no probable cause etc.,I think it is important to realise that the laws passed to declare the “war on drugs” did curtail individual rights to a degree.


36 posted on 03/30/2013 1:45:50 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bgill

I had a little experience with a drug task force. They followed a handy-man all the way from St. Louis to my house. He lives in our county, and his girlfriend’s house is just down the road from us.

The person helping me care for my dad was at my house, and had contacted this person regarding some work she wanted done at her house, and he said he would stop by and discuss it with her when he got back into town.

I was on the computer when a polite police man knocked on the patio door, and asked if he could come in and look around. He later explained that they had followed a suspected drug dealer to my house, who had precursors for meth in his vehicle. He looked around the basement briefly and we headed upstairs.

My front room and kitchen was swarming with cops as was the yard. There was a lot of tense moments and disrespectful treatment from the guys outdoors.

Anyway long story short after about 4 hours of them grilling the nurse’s aide and this guy. They confiscated his matches which he had bought for wedding favors(his story) and told us we might be called to testify.

What did they base their raid on? They followed a guy who bought a bunch of matches to our driveway, and he knew my Hubby’s name(Hubby taught school and it’s a small town).

A neighbor who used to be a reserve cop, told us that they don’t have to have a warrent when suspicion is related to drugs. This was important to know, because even his wife thought that they couldn’t have swarmed the house with out some evidence.

I told the rudest guy there, that I thought a few manners would yield better results when dealing with law - abiding citizens, and we had a little tense discussion about it before he left.

Anyone can be labeled a suspected drug dealer, or terrorist based on little or no evidence, and forget the 4th amendment-that’s where we are at today. It is a sad state of affairs.


37 posted on 03/30/2013 2:13:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: logitech

Improbable cause PING!


38 posted on 03/30/2013 2:18:33 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: COBOL2Java
"You can't go into people's homes and conduct searches without probable cause," Pilate said."

"What is truth?" Pilate said. (John 18:38)

39 posted on 03/30/2013 2:23:36 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: bgill

You said that for a joke, but it is true. It is just a matter of time. I woupl opine in less than 24 months.


40 posted on 03/30/2013 3:02:59 PM PDT by sport
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To: Psalm 73
"What is truth?" Pilate said. (John 18:38)

Why, don't YOU know? In the age of Obama, truth is collecting enough taxes so Michelle and her girls can have a once-a-month super-duper vacay!

41 posted on 03/30/2013 3:27:40 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: COBOL2Java
"You can't go into people's homes and conduct searches without probable cause," Pilate said.

How quaint. How...pre-Obama...

This was going on long before Obama took office. Be sure to give Bill Bennett his due, as well.

42 posted on 03/30/2013 3:28:04 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ClearCase_guy

My favorite part of the book too...especially loved the weapon Henry used. Most folks look at me sideways when I tell them just how lethal a .22 LR is.


43 posted on 03/30/2013 3:33:46 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Sorry, this is not a “pre Obama” issue.

This is a deterioration of the 4th Amendment issue that is as old as the WOD.


44 posted on 03/30/2013 4:03:53 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: greeneyes

Thanks for the ping. Very troubling, both the article, and your later account.

A) never let them inside without a warrant
B) never “step outside to talk” to them
C) only open the door enough to be polite, without opening it enough to give them free looks inside


45 posted on 03/30/2013 4:23:55 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: greeneyes

Greeneyes... I am late to the thread. I’ve been out all day. Your story is terrifying in many ways. For one, they followed this guy from St. Louis to your home. Makes me wonder did they interview every gas attendant, coffee shop waitress along the way. I think (and I may be completely wrong) but don’t you live on a nice chunk of property? Is this the reason they felt that this guy was setting “up shop” simply because you don’t reside in a townhouse? Very good information for any Freeper who lives on some property or plans to purchase some in the future.

It almost sounds like they were on a fishing expedition to me. They confiscated wedding matches? They told you that you may need to testify? To what? That he had dropped by in order to discuss some job? Not to scare you... but just watch your back in the future. Seems to me that they are looking at your place for illegal behavior based on junk but it is better to know than to be blinded by ignorance. God Bless and hugs, Mom


46 posted on 03/30/2013 4:58:36 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: greeneyes

THanks SO MUCH for the ping, greeneyes!


47 posted on 03/30/2013 5:06:22 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: bgill
Drug War victims
48 posted on 03/30/2013 6:25:06 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: COBOL2Java; Psalm 73

“...Michelle and her girls can have a once-a-month super-duper vacay!”

And two on Holiday Weeks, such as Easter (these EVIL Muzzie, America-Hating Usurpers do take advantage of Easter and Christmas, while hating Christians, but on our millions of tax dollars, or just more deficit spending)...I say, ‘Send ‘em all back to wherever the Muzzie Daddy came from...probably Kenya...born and bred...

Let ‘em all suck in the muck that is there...


49 posted on 03/30/2013 7:48:59 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; et al

I am just amazed that nobody, at least that I am aware of, has not set up an empty “trap house”, designed to seriously injure or kill a raiding SWAT squad.


Tell me you think you, of all the people, would be made aware of it. Hell’s bells, 95%+ of the people know little to nothing about the 13 month old homicide victim. The press is not your friend nor on your team.

Lots of Viet Nam combat vets are being joined by the new vets who graduated with degrees in IED whom are not happy with the government either.

DHS ‘need’ their new vehicles and all them bullets.


50 posted on 03/30/2013 8:08:01 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS "Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to take a hike."-Heinlein)
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