Skip to comments.Kansas couple: Indoor gardening prompted pot raid
Posted on 03/30/2013 7:44:49 AM PDT by bgill
Two former CIA employees whose Kansas home was fruitlessly searched for marijuana during a two-state drug sweep claim they were illegally targeted, possibly because they had bought indoor growing supplies to raise vegetables.
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Had they lived in Colorado or Washington state it would have gone in noticed.
The police were targeting the house for asset forfeiture.
Too bad he didn’t have a dog they could shoot.
Greeneyes, I vote you ring up the gardener ping list too! (I’m alerting the Agenda 21 list.) Other gardeners and freedom lovers need to read this story. It isn’t (IMHO) just another “oops” story. The ptb really DO want to control all the food sources.
If you doubt this, take a peek at the Agenda 21 threads.
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Growing vegetables is risky business these days.
It is nice they knocked, and no dogs were injured during their raid.
Growing your own food? Bad
EBT card? Good
No prepping — government dependency only, please.
How quaint. How...pre-Obama...
Hello! You can’t grow you own vegetables, think of the poor farmers./////
Mayor Bloomberg: “Home grown vegetables are not ‘safe’ until WE THE GOVERNMENT put the approval stamp on them”
“Sometimes people need WE THE GOVERNMENT to educate them. It is for your own good.”
It's the 90% of LEOs who give the other 10% a bad name.
They should have shot Wickard, and sent Filburn to Congress.
Then he started setting up houses with legal indoor grow rooms and placing cameras inside. SWAT would come soon after and be surprised with “smile you're on camera” signs. Some of the warrants even supposedly had “confidential informants” saying they testified about pot growing. He basically proved the informants were made up and cops were doing illegal random searches with imaging equipment.
Soon after, he was arrested many times under suspicious circumstances. He was never found guilty but stopped making the videos...
Turns out it's a bogus ATF raid. Okay. No more survivors. And Henry Bowman goes to war.
This has nothing to do with marijuana plants. Two former CIA employees? Girl, please.
You can grow your own food, but only if it receives lavish government subsidy and a significant portion is distilled into alcohol so it can ruin automobile motors under the rubric of ‘clean’ energy.
stealing that for my facebook page.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist (no slight intended given your background) or even a legal scholar to understand that if the judge doesnt have the identity of the confidential witness, then the essential constitutional probable cause might be based on nothing more than neighborhood gossip or a rogue law enforcement agency.
In a sane process, any judge who actually honored the 4th A. would require, under seal, the witness's identity confirmed with drivers license, perhaps finger prints, etc.
Of course, without a bona fide witness, there would be no supporting "testimony", no probable cause and citizens as here would suffer from fewer unreasonable searches (with taxpayers picking up the bill).
If the testimony was bogus (as could be easily proven in cases such as this), it might have been given out of spite or obtained via police coercion and could be subsequently handled accordingly (expose the witness to criminal and civil liability, or clean up the agency).
One scene which sticks in my mind is a child who discovers and uproots tomato plants in one of those grizzly labor camps because such activity isn't officially sanctioned by the masters. The child, or course, receives an outpouring of praise for his discovery.
Good thing my ancient Troy-Bilt tiller is off the books!
And we have two dogs and that would make us a prime target!
One of my favorite books. I passed it on when I was done with it.
Which way to civil court ?
“With little or no other evidence of any illegal activity, law enforcement officers make the assumption that shoppers at the store are potential marijuana growers, even though the stores are most commonly frequented by backyard gardeners who grow organically or start seedlings indoors,” the couple’s lawsuit says.
Oh, it was a book. I looked it up thinking to rent the movie, and there was a movie with that name from 2010. However, the plot wasn’t anything like that.
Love your tag line!
Somebody already did make grow setups for SWAT but he had cameras, not traps. See my post 13.
I think he even made a show about it called “Cop Busters” but it was shut down rather quickly and quietly...
We just smiled and waved/Sittin’ on that sack of seeds.
Yep it's a book. A very expensive book if you can find it at all. Seems the powers that be didn't like it when it was published and pretty much shut it down. But if you look around it can be found, a very good read and I learned quite a few things. It's really to bad it has never been reprinted.
Back in the sixties a couple of friends got word to one of our little small town cops that some guy had some LSD. The cop went after the guy and found a pill in his pocket. He sent it off to the state lab for testing and thought he was going to be hired by the FBI after this big bust. It came back a birth control pill.
I notive the woman is really concerned about “rights”. I wonder how many “rights” she stepped on, or helped her colleagues step on, in her former job.
bgill, I usually don’t ping the garden list more than once a week, but will make an exception for this. While there is much talk on this thread about no probable cause etc.,I think it is important to realise that the laws passed to declare the “war on drugs” did curtail individual rights to a degree.
I had a little experience with a drug task force. They followed a handy-man all the way from St. Louis to my house. He lives in our county, and his girlfriend’s house is just down the road from us.
The person helping me care for my dad was at my house, and had contacted this person regarding some work she wanted done at her house, and he said he would stop by and discuss it with her when he got back into town.
I was on the computer when a polite police man knocked on the patio door, and asked if he could come in and look around. He later explained that they had followed a suspected drug dealer to my house, who had precursors for meth in his vehicle. He looked around the basement briefly and we headed upstairs.
My front room and kitchen was swarming with cops as was the yard. There was a lot of tense moments and disrespectful treatment from the guys outdoors.
Anyway long story short after about 4 hours of them grilling the nurse’s aide and this guy. They confiscated his matches which he had bought for wedding favors(his story) and told us we might be called to testify.
What did they base their raid on? They followed a guy who bought a bunch of matches to our driveway, and he knew my Hubby’s name(Hubby taught school and it’s a small town).
A neighbor who used to be a reserve cop, told us that they don’t have to have a warrent when suspicion is related to drugs. This was important to know, because even his wife thought that they couldn’t have swarmed the house with out some evidence.
I told the rudest guy there, that I thought a few manners would yield better results when dealing with law - abiding citizens, and we had a little tense discussion about it before he left.
Anyone can be labeled a suspected drug dealer, or terrorist based on little or no evidence, and forget the 4th amendment-that’s where we are at today. It is a sad state of affairs.
Improbable cause PING!
"What is truth?" Pilate said. (John 18:38)
You said that for a joke, but it is true. It is just a matter of time. I woupl opine in less than 24 months.
Why, don't YOU know? In the age of Obama, truth is collecting enough taxes so Michelle and her girls can have a once-a-month super-duper vacay!
How quaint. How...pre-Obama...
This was going on long before Obama took office. Be sure to give Bill Bennett his due, as well.
My favorite part of the book too...especially loved the weapon Henry used. Most folks look at me sideways when I tell them just how lethal a .22 LR is.
Sorry, this is not a “pre Obama” issue.
This is a deterioration of the 4th Amendment issue that is as old as the WOD.
Thanks for the ping. Very troubling, both the article, and your later account.
A) never let them inside without a warrant
B) never “step outside to talk” to them
C) only open the door enough to be polite, without opening it enough to give them free looks inside
Greeneyes... I am late to the thread. I’ve been out all day. Your story is terrifying in many ways. For one, they followed this guy from St. Louis to your home. Makes me wonder did they interview every gas attendant, coffee shop waitress along the way. I think (and I may be completely wrong) but don’t you live on a nice chunk of property? Is this the reason they felt that this guy was setting “up shop” simply because you don’t reside in a townhouse? Very good information for any Freeper who lives on some property or plans to purchase some in the future.
It almost sounds like they were on a fishing expedition to me. They confiscated wedding matches? They told you that you may need to testify? To what? That he had dropped by in order to discuss some job? Not to scare you... but just watch your back in the future. Seems to me that they are looking at your place for illegal behavior based on junk but it is better to know than to be blinded by ignorance. God Bless and hugs, Mom
THanks SO MUCH for the ping, greeneyes!
“...Michelle and her girls can have a once-a-month super-duper vacay!”
And two on Holiday Weeks, such as Easter (these EVIL Muzzie, America-Hating Usurpers do take advantage of Easter and Christmas, while hating Christians, but on our millions of tax dollars, or just more deficit spending)...I say, ‘Send ‘em all back to wherever the Muzzie Daddy came from...probably Kenya...born and bred...
Let ‘em all suck in the muck that is there...
I am just amazed that nobody, at least that I am aware of, has not set up an empty trap house, designed to seriously injure or kill a raiding SWAT squad.
Lots of Viet Nam combat vets are being joined by the new vets who graduated with degrees in IED whom are not happy with the government either.
DHS ‘need’ their new vehicles and all them bullets.