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Why Your Kid Can't Get A Job
Forbes.com ^ | March 29, 2013 | Michael S. Malone

Posted on 03/30/2013 9:48:37 AM PDT by giant sable

The Department of Labor estimates that some three million Americans with Bachelor degrees work in jobs that don’t require an education at all–janitors, barristas, bartenders and retail clerks.There are a lot of obvious reasons why junior is now living in your basement at age 25.

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1 posted on 03/30/2013 9:48:37 AM PDT by giant sable
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To: giant sable

and yet many community colleges are curtailing or eliminating career-related courses (in fields where people can go out and earn livings) ... and instead the colleges are trying to send more and more students on to BA degrees (mostly in subjects having little or no career value).

This is explained by “the new pressure from Washington” — that is, the Obama “education” policies.

Expect even more growth in the welfare queue as these young people graduate....


2 posted on 03/30/2013 9:55:25 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: giant sable

I have both a BA and CDL. Guess which one provides me with a better living?


3 posted on 03/30/2013 9:56:32 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: giant sable

4 posted on 03/30/2013 9:57:50 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: giant sable

The author is either a liar, fool or both. The only reason that young people cannot find jobs is government interference in the markets.

Education is part of the free market.


5 posted on 03/30/2013 9:59:50 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: giant sable

Part of the reason these kids remain jobless is because they enroll in majors like Philosophy, French Literature, or Gender Studies, peppered with BS electives. There should be no surprise they’re still living with Mom and Pop and collecting carts at the local supermarket for minimum wage, while not being taken seriously by any professional HR recruiter.


6 posted on 03/30/2013 10:01:06 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: giant sable
M.ore

B.ullshyte

A.head?

Evidently manufacturing a generation of Useful Idiots who cheated/staggered their way through bidness school whilst decorating the internet with pornographic imagery of their frat-punk brethren and soro-sisters did not much of a future make.


7 posted on 03/30/2013 10:02:35 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: giant sable

Frankly because the factory was sent elsewhere.

We need to stop exporting jobs, and bring them back.

Now.


8 posted on 03/30/2013 10:03:58 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: giant sable
The Department of Labor estimates that some three million Americans with Bachelor degrees in ridiculous "majors" work in jobs that don’t require an education at all...

Fixed it.

9 posted on 03/30/2013 10:04:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: giant sable

“Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Son.” ;)


10 posted on 03/30/2013 10:05:36 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: faithhopecharity
They're doing it because of demand. People can't afford to pay for a four year degree but still want one, so they're going to CC for two years, transferring credits and then getting a four year university degree.
11 posted on 03/30/2013 10:06:07 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: giant sable

First “kids” do not have BA/BS, men and women do.
The “kid” word really needs to stop.
You are not a kid at 25.


12 posted on 03/30/2013 10:06:09 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

And we should drop the fantasy that the only worthwhile job is a tech job. Blue collar jobs should be something to be proud of.


13 posted on 03/30/2013 10:07:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Short and sweet. That’s a great way to put it.


14 posted on 03/30/2013 10:07:37 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gave the Republicans a free lunch. All the taxpayers got was a lousy tax increase.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Exactly. My degree is ‘worth less’ than my hands-on military training. Employers have always been amazed at the amount of work I can get done in a day, my organizational and leadership skills, I’m on time, dependable, etc.

In one case it hurt me getting a job I really wanted; the woman hiring me knew I would replace her in about 2 weeks time, LOL!

But, things work out as they should and I am in a great place in my work life right now. Thanks, Uncle Sam!
(My Fellow Taxpayers!)


15 posted on 03/30/2013 10:08:38 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: giant sable

can’t get a job cause us old guys can’t afford to retire...


16 posted on 03/30/2013 10:11:10 AM PDT by stylin19a (obama - Fredo smart)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Frankly because the factory was sent elsewhere.

Desk jobs sitting at a computer have also been sent abroad (with the finished results smuggled into the country with no import duty paid). Whether it is graphic design (laying out ad circulars for the weekly grocery store ads, simple legal document preparation, or quality assurance testing of software and development of programming code and webpages).

Bill Gates and his ilk sold us out, yet they now proclaim that WE don't pay enough in taxes. Funny that.

17 posted on 03/30/2013 10:21:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"[Fat] Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Son.”

Neither is Fat, Drunk, and Dead:


http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/b/John%20Belushi/john_belushi.htm

 

Compared to today's standards of "college" behavior, published on the Internet for all to see no less, the Animal House occupants were running a Trappist monastery. 



18 posted on 03/30/2013 10:21:44 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: stylin19a
can’t get a job cause us old guys can’t afford to retire...

Ain't that the truth! I like my job, but instead of winding things down at 65, I figure I have to keep going just to stand still, financially. Bop 'til you drop!

19 posted on 03/30/2013 10:22:39 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
In one case it hurt me getting a job I really wanted; the woman hiring me knew I would replace her in about 2 weeks time, LOL!

"A" people hire "A" people. "B" people hire "C"'s and "D"'s.

20 posted on 03/30/2013 10:24:12 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: cripplecreek
And we should drop the fantasy that the only worthwhile job is a tech job. Blue collar jobs should be something to be proud of.

Yep. You'd be amazed how fast someone in the tech/political/education/bureaucratic/entertainment industries can't WAIT to meet my hubby when the stuff that's supposed to be going down in the toilet starts coming UP in the bathtub!

LOL!

21 posted on 03/30/2013 10:26:37 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Please do not mistake my devotion to fairness as permission to be used as a doormat)
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t know with the advent of the Internet, how you could have stopped anything that produced a product that is stored in a digital format, from being outsourced, without employing extremely draconian methods.


22 posted on 03/30/2013 10:26:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: icwhatudo

“Jobs Americans Won’t Do” according to one privileged class dunce who rode his father’s name to the Presidency.


23 posted on 03/30/2013 10:29:13 AM PDT by Pelham (Without Deportation you have De Facto Amnesty.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
Part of the reason these kids remain jobless is because they enroll in majors like Philosophy, French Literature, or Gender Studies, peppered with BS electives.

Ok, you gotta be shitting me lumping Philosophy in as a BS degree... you are aware that most philosophy courses are only a few courses removed from a Mathematics degree, right?

There should be no surprise they’re still living with Mom and Pop and collecting carts at the local supermarket for minimum wage, while not being taken seriously by any professional HR recruiter.

I dunno, I have a BS in CS -- and the jobs aren't exactly falling at my feet; this despite having a bit of a desire to work with Ada (used commonly in Aerospace, nuclear, and other safety-critical fields -- and not a common line-item on CS grad's resumes) though some is likely due to not having "6 years of experience and a top secret clearance."

24 posted on 03/30/2013 10:31:09 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: giant sable

And yet I STILL hear that you can’t live well without a degree. Not that I have a degree, not am I living well, but it seems pointless when you are fighting for less jobs available.


25 posted on 03/30/2013 10:32:30 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: OneWingedShark
Lumping Philosophy in as a BS degree...

Oh, it's a "BS" degree, alright.

26 posted on 03/30/2013 10:32:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

There’s a paper trail. There is still enforcement of software “piracy” and using more than the number of licenses of software on site (say you have 12 licenses but have it installed on 16 computers, you are in violation).

Bill Gates and his bought the legislation they wanted. We are talking about BILLIONS of dollars worth of software imported without paying import duty.

My job salary was reduced far below the “going wage” for my field because it was cut to compete with outsourced labor that was also being used. I was below norm already when they cut my salary by one third. Companies prefer US labor but they don’t want to pay for it.

Some IBM exec a few years ago advised Americans to go work in India because you won’t be paid as much but your wages will go farther.

Screw the suits who grab up the savings in salaries for hefty bonuses.


27 posted on 03/30/2013 10:32:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
Desk jobs sitting at a computer have also been sent abroad (with the finished results smuggled into the country with no import duty paid). Whether it is graphic design (laying out ad circulars for the weekly grocery store ads, simple legal document preparation, or quality assurance testing of software and development of programming code and webpages).

I'm thinking that's pretty true: I'm a programmer and hideously underemployed (maybe 18 hrs/mo sub-subcontracting).

28 posted on 03/30/2013 10:33:15 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Heck, even customer service jobs are gone to India or somewhere.


29 posted on 03/30/2013 10:33:52 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

My friend got out of construction labor (welding) to open his own barber shop. After running things for 2 years (collecting from those who have chairs there) he’s seeking his own barber license as well.

Hair always grows (unless we have to deal with radioactive fallout).


30 posted on 03/30/2013 10:35:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: MamaTexan

Mike Rowe gives one of the greatest speeches on what America needs that was ever given.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2650612/posts


31 posted on 03/30/2013 10:35:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Flick Lives; stylin19a
>> can’t get a job cause us old guys can’t afford to retire...
>
>Ain't that the truth! I like my job, but instead of winding things down at 65, I figure I have to keep going just to stand still, financially. Bop 'til you drop!

The economy in the shape it's in now doesn't help either -- employers can take advantage of the situation by basically saying "you're lucky to have a job, if you don't do X [as unpaid overtime] you won't be so lucky."

32 posted on 03/30/2013 10:35:57 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: giant sable

I like this line from the story ...

“...for example, you reached Level 60 on World of Warcraft, tell your future boss why that means you have monster leadership skills.”

Are you kidding me!

This to me means the kid wastes his time playing vidio games and will probably do the same if you were to hire him/her.


33 posted on 03/30/2013 10:36:43 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: giant sable

Yet it is the liberals’ and Obama’s goal for everybody to go to college. They just want to indoctrinate them until they’re 26. There simply are not enough jobs for college grads now, imagine if “everybody” goes to college?


34 posted on 03/30/2013 10:38:10 AM PDT by informavoracious (God help us.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Well, in this economy, mine grows longer and longer in between cuts.

If I had the money, I would go into the funeral business. People always die.


35 posted on 03/30/2013 10:39:04 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Im a trades man and went to work one time for a bigger firm and was told by fellow employes to slow down you are making us look bad


36 posted on 03/30/2013 10:39:14 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: giant sable

Problem with my generation is they were/are indoctrinated to think that certain jobs are beneath them by the older generation. Also doesn’t help that most employers want someone who is ready made for a position with no training. Job searching is a catch 22 in a lot of cases. You have to have x years experience in x industry to get an entry level job.


37 posted on 03/30/2013 10:39:51 AM PDT by Txngal
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To: giant sable

There are useful suggestions to be made, unfortunately this article doesn’t make any of them.


38 posted on 03/30/2013 10:41:50 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Le Chien Rouge
I have both a BA and CDL. Guess which one provides me with a better living?

yeah....I know....

Raise your BA to a BSc and MSc

I told Mrs. Spokeshave I was getting a sitting down job....LOL.

39 posted on 03/30/2013 10:43:58 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: dfwgator
Only to those who don't understand what philosophy is.

But, in any case, I see you did not address my personal observation: a non-"bull" degree, with a fairly rare skill, and no real interest garnered by employers.

40 posted on 03/30/2013 10:45:02 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Breaker one nine ...


41 posted on 03/30/2013 10:46:13 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: OneWingedShark
Only to those who don't understand what philosophy is.

Story about Bertrand Russell arrested in the late 60's for resisting arrest at a demonstration over nuclear weapons....

Jailer to Bertrand...."and what do you do....?"

Bertie: "I am a philosopher"

Jailer: and what does a philosopher do?

Bertie: "I think"

Jailer: "Well then...do you think you an take this toothbrush and clean out all those toilets back there?"

42 posted on 03/30/2013 10:55:18 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: MamaTexan

And we should drop the fantasy that the only worthwhile job is a tech job. Blue collar jobs should be something to be proud of.
Yep. You’d be amazed how fast someone in the tech/political/education/bureaucratic/entertainment industries can’t WAIT to meet my hubby when the stuff that’s supposed to be going down in the toilet starts coming UP in the bathtub!

LOL!

Or how happy to see me in July and August when their AC breaks down.


43 posted on 03/30/2013 10:58:07 AM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

So good to hear that Diana! There is a strong appreciation in your message and it really perks me up to read it. I wish you continued success!


44 posted on 03/30/2013 10:58:29 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: RegulatorCountry

I think the point of that comment was that the CC could provide two-year courses in something that is actually marketable.

Instead they just give the kids two years of liberal arts and then pass them on to a university for more of the same. It matters little whether a student attends a CC for the first two years or goes four years to a university if they are studying non employable curriculi.

Of course, all the guidance counselors in high school and college have their degrees in philosophy and sociology and they enjoy reaffirming themselves by putting students on the same course. The scientists, engineers, plumbers and electricians are not the ones guiding the career paths of the youn.


45 posted on 03/30/2013 10:59:48 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: CapnJack
“...for example, you reached Level 60 on World of Warcraft, tell your future boss why that means you have monster leadership skills.”

Level 60!!? That's so yesterday! The WoW max level cap hasn't been 60 since the beginning of 2007. It's up to level 90 now, after 4 expansions. Reaching level 60 nowadays definitely doesn't cut it, and certainly doesn't demonstrate much of anything, much less "monster leadership skills" (then or now especially).

46 posted on 03/30/2013 11:02:57 AM PDT by MCH
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To: spokeshave

heh - amusing


47 posted on 03/30/2013 11:06:15 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
not till you open them ALL in Right To Work states...
48 posted on 03/30/2013 11:07:15 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RegulatorCountry

yes and doing first 2 years at community college is just great

but some of the community colleges are cutting their career-path classes

(Note that most of the career-path classes do give students what they need to earn livings. But, a lot of the students in the “BA transfer track” get degrees that do NOT provide them much in the way of knowledge or skills for earning livings. And to be quite honest, most of the humanities type courses do not really teach much that would be recognized as genuine “liberal arts” or serious “knowledge for its own sake,” either... ).

All I’m saying is that this is leading to more total unemployment as so many students take programs of study that are not useful in terms of the job market. AND I will add one more thought, for whatever its worth, if a student takes 4 or 5 years of sociology and remedial English and ethnic studies and “community organizing” — whatever that may be — and then winds up unemployed, it is because they have made themselves unemployable ... they could have taken some courses that would have given them knowledge and skills enabling them to actually make livings. They chose not to do that. Fine and dandy, just don’t complain to me about it. I’ve already paid through the nose to build and subsidize all those colleges you went to. That’s enough subsidy, you’re 28 years old... if you can’t find a job, then make one for yourself... start a business... foreign immigrants are doing it all the time here....)

“Time to grow up... despite what the politicians want you to believe....”


49 posted on 03/30/2013 11:08:15 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: cripplecreek

Thank you for posting this. this needs to be seen by a lot of people.


50 posted on 03/30/2013 11:08:34 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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