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Author Sponsors Article V Constitutional Conference - Bypassing Washington
self ^ | March 30, 2013 | Bob Ireland

Posted on 03/30/2013 10:54:33 AM PDT by Bob Ireland

Loren J. Ems, author of "Sword of Liberty" has organized an Article V Constitutional conference at the University of Central Florida. The event, to be held the weekend of April 26-27, has enlisted a number of 'experts' to participate.

Such an 'Article V' convention can be held by various states, bypassing Washington altogether. This current effort would be a beginning.

Citizens are encouraged to participate, and can enroll at the conference web site. Any FReeper including those from Florida are welcome to participate in the weekend meetings.

Attendance is FREE


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: constitution; liberty; popularactivism; vanity
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This vehicle allows we citizens to bypass our do-nothing - or the wrong thing - legislators and directly propose such amendments as a balanced budget, term limits, etc.
1 posted on 03/30/2013 10:54:33 AM PDT by Bob Ireland
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To: Seeking the truth; gonzo; MinuteGal; M Kehoe; Matchett-PI; mcmuffin; surfer; JulieRNR21

ping


2 posted on 03/30/2013 11:00:46 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Q-ManRN

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3 posted on 03/30/2013 11:01:34 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

Or such things as repealing the bill of rights.


4 posted on 03/30/2013 11:05:39 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Bob Ireland

Go for it! Restore the tenth amendment! Restore the limits on the federal government! Rein in the feds!!

In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote that if the federal government were to become self-destructive, it would be the right of the American people to alter it. In Article V of the Constitution our founders preserved that right by empowering the states, as those that originally established the federal government, to bypass and reform it by convening an Article V Convention, which permits the states to amend the Constitution.

Participants in the UCF Article V Convention Conference will decide whether to recommend this course of action to the state legislature after discussing the financial policies of our government. If the Article V Convention is recommended, a constitutional amendment will be proposed which would:

Implement major economic reforms, and optionally, empower the state governors and legislatures with the right to veto and enact federal legislation.


5 posted on 03/30/2013 11:06:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Bob Ireland

Go for broke!!


6 posted on 03/30/2013 11:07:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Bob Ireland

I don’t want the population who elected Obama to vote on a new constitution.


7 posted on 03/30/2013 11:09:05 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check selects every single word in my post.)
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To: Bob Ireland
Sorry, while I certainly understand and empathize with the motivation, I cannot support recommending to the legislatures a Constitutional Convention that will clearly be used by our enemies to rewrite the quite sufficient document we now have.

A much more effective approach will be to push our state representatives to enforce the one we have, especially the 10th Amendment.

If we cannot use what we have, which is clearly quite powerful, what makes anyone think our State legislatures will not strip the document and neuter such provisions leaving us with something more like the EU Constitution?

8 posted on 03/30/2013 11:09:23 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: Bob Ireland

We either allow them to continue boiling us to death or we jump out of the pot and fight like hell for liberty!!


9 posted on 03/30/2013 11:09:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob Ireland
Good afternoon. I hope you both are doing well.

This convention could open up a big can of worms. Or worst, put us on a path to CWII.

Then again, it might be time to hit the reset button...

5.56mm

10 posted on 03/30/2013 11:12:29 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

The founders would’ve been shooting by now.


11 posted on 03/30/2013 11:13:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Durus; Bob Ireland

What often seems like a sure-fire idea, later backfires. This is a good example.

Duras is correct: there is a greater chance of mischief occurring contra the liberties espoused in our U.S.Constitution than any possibility of improving that governing document.

Adding more amendments to it will not improve government.

What is required is enforcement of the rule of law.

That can only be achieved by removing the present occupants of the White House. Adding amendments to the Constitution will achieve nothing!


12 posted on 03/30/2013 11:14:56 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly!


13 posted on 03/30/2013 11:15:35 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: The Mayor

Rus- we need to look into this


14 posted on 03/30/2013 11:16:42 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Lloyd227

It is not a Constitutional Convention... read the site.


15 posted on 03/30/2013 11:24:35 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Jim Robinson

We need to wrest control of our country from the carpetbaggers... if not by popular action then by:??? Secession? Revolution?


16 posted on 03/30/2013 11:26:17 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: M Kehoe
***This convention could open up a big can of worms***

Anything is possible, I suppose... we already have a can of worms: Washington! :-) Hope youse is well!

17 posted on 03/30/2013 11:28:24 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Jim Robinson
I managed to capture a copy of the 1973 ABA Report on an Amendments Convention, which is the correct term, not "constitutional convention". (Credit goes to Judge Andrew Napolitano for setting me straight on that.) The ABA Report identifies what we know about an Amendments Convention, and it identifies gray areas that Congress needs to regulate to avoid a runaway situation. One of these days, I'll format the 27 pages for HTML and post it at FR.

The American Legislative Exchange Council has produced a fine document by Rob Natelson as a handbook for state legislators interested in petitioning Congress for an Amendments Convention. I have that as a beautiful color Adobe document that is too good to break down for HTML. The Council does in fact have a link to that document.

Natelson's work is outstanding, and he has 90% of it right. But he did not appear to read the 1973 ABA Report, which is he has 10% of it wrong.

There are good reference works for this topic which should assuage the fears of those who think that an Amendments Convention could simply start over again with a new constitution.

If I ever get my Professor Publius website up, I intend to sell MP3 versions of lectures on constitutional topics, and one of them will be a lecture laying out all the angles on an Amendments Convention, to include the ABA Report and Natelson's paper, developing the differences between them and the legal aspects.

18 posted on 03/30/2013 11:28:43 AM PDT by Publius
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To: SatinDoll
***there is a greater chance of mischief occurring***

Why not attend and make sure that does not happen?

19 posted on 03/30/2013 11:29:45 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: SatinDoll
"That can only be achieved by removing the present occupants of the White House" -- and about 75% of those currently in congress (RINOs included). Those who refuse to abide by the constitution are traitors and should be dealt with accordingly.
20 posted on 03/30/2013 11:30:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Publius

Great! Would like to see that.


21 posted on 03/30/2013 11:31:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
It's going to be tedious work, and I'm not sure how to format the indentations that the Commission used for the long quotes from the Framers and Case Law. I'll figure it out and post it to the Chat section.

This link will take you to the page where Natelson's report may be downloaded in PDF format. That's how I have it on my hard drive. It's 90% correct, and that's close enough for now.

22 posted on 03/30/2013 11:36:48 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Bob Ireland

An article V convention would also allow the states to abolish the federal government, but we would need three-quarters of states to approve it.

At present, Republicans control 25 states and rats control 11.


23 posted on 03/30/2013 11:36:54 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Publius

Great! Browsing it now. Thanks!


24 posted on 03/30/2013 11:41:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: sergeantdave
***Republicans control 25 states and rats control 11***

Sounds like the right time to begin! :-)

25 posted on 03/30/2013 11:46:49 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

It’s a start, what we got going for us now is going down the dumper day by day, faster and faster and there ain’t nothing to stop it in Washington.


26 posted on 03/30/2013 11:50:05 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Virtual high-five.


27 posted on 03/30/2013 11:50:50 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Impeach the Liar.)
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To: Bob Ireland

If Texas and Florida would join forces in this it would be a great start. This is where the Tea Party needs to go.


28 posted on 03/30/2013 11:53:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
***The founders would’ve been shooting by now***

I told my son some time ago: in many ways, King George didn't treat us this badly! Good grief! The Boston Tea Party was over a 1% tax! Who wouldn't cheer a 1% tax today!!!

29 posted on 03/30/2013 11:54:00 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

I heard talk of this regarding a balanced budget amendment at Cpac and it is intriguing. The key however will be doing this while we still retain control of most of the State ledglsators and governorship.


30 posted on 03/30/2013 11:54:37 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: The Cajun
***going down the dumper day by day, faster and faster and there ain’t nothing to stop it in Washington***

VERILY!!

31 posted on 03/30/2013 11:56:02 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: SatinDoll

“That can only be achieved by removing the present occupants of the White House.”

And, secondarily, trying any who were involved with them for the multiplicity of constitutional violations that they’ve made. I finally understand why when a new dictator takes over in some “banana republic,” that the first order of business it to “get rid of” the former leadership and it’s supporters. Somehow, when this country returns to it’s senses, some serious “housecleaning” must be one of the primary orders of business, starting with the “judiciary.” Because if we overlook that step, they will be back.


32 posted on 03/30/2013 11:58:44 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Jim Robinson
***If Texas and Florida would join forces***

I didn't get a chance to talk to Ems at the meeting we attended where he made this presentation. I presume he sees this as a start since it would take 25 states [?] to pass anything.

Of course, if Texas, Florida - all the Gulf states - plus Georgia, Arizona, Alaska, the Carolinas and ??? seceded from the Union and formed a Constitutional Republic [like one we already know], within a few years it would be the number one force in the world! :-)

33 posted on 03/30/2013 12:02:02 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Publius
If the blockquote tag doesn't cut it, take a look over here.

When you're done and everything is up and running, could you give me a ping?

34 posted on 03/30/2013 12:03:23 PM PDT by kitchen (Due to the increased price of ammo, do not expect a warning shot.)
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To: Pan_Yan

I am very much with you on that. I think we would rue the day that happened.


35 posted on 03/30/2013 12:03:42 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: vette6387

Yup. And we have five or six traitors who refuse to uphold the US Constitution sitting on the Supreme Court. Including the Chief Justice of the United States.


36 posted on 03/30/2013 12:06:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Monorprise
***talk of this regarding a balanced budget amendment at Cpac***

This is one good reason why we need citizens to participate in these things. A 'Balanced Budget Amendment' sounds great until one remembers that it must stop the Democraps from spending trillions more while raising taxes to pay for it.

The Democraps have said for years that they have a plan to save Social Security - and Medicare. Has anyone heard what that plan is? 'NO! What it is is: when they go broke the Democraps will wail and cry that we can't let old people starve and die: we MUST raise taxes to meet the crisis.

Here is an economic lesson that you don't need a PhD to learn: If the U.S. economy grows at about 3-5% a year [in the good old days!] and the U.S. Government grows at 8% a year ['base-line budgeting'] how long will it be before the U.S. Government is the whole economy?!!

Ask Karl Marx or Pappa Joe Stalin!!!

37 posted on 03/30/2013 12:12:57 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland
We need to wrest control of our country from the carpetbaggers...

An interesting noun you chose. The word stays front-of-mind for a lot of us in South Carolina. They'll never allow this State to amount to a hill of beans again. Keep us informed how it goes where you are. We're not giving up in S.C. in spite of the long odds.
38 posted on 03/30/2013 12:17:00 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Jim Robinson
***five or six traitors who refuse to uphold the US Constitution sitting on the Supreme Court***

We have lost the Supreme Court... That became apparent when Roberts re-wrote the Ob@ma Care bill as a tax - something the SCOTUS is NOT authorized to do! We used to say, 'Well, the SCOTUS will overturn that horrible law.'

Now we say, 'At least the House of Representatives will not pass that horrible law.'

We are fighting a rear-action skirmish with 'LOSER' chasing us like a bumper sticker. It will require a really dedicated effort to overturn all this treason! Individual states reasserting their sovereignty is a good start!

39 posted on 03/30/2013 12:21:46 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

“Here is an economic lesson that you don’t need a PhD to learn: If the U.S. economy grows at about 3-5% a year [in the good old days!] and the U.S. Government grows at 8% a year [’base-line budgeting’] how long will it be before the U.S. Government is the whole economy?!!”

Solving a problem like that takes math that most of our population does not know, and even fewer still would bother to do.

We must not forget that we are looking at a political problem not merely a physical one. Addressing the physical problem before it address us is not possible before we address the political problem.


40 posted on 03/30/2013 12:23:46 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Resettozero
***We're not giving up in S.C. in spite of the long odds***

Never give up! [As JimRob is saying.] We in the South know the true meaning of 'carpetbagger'. It is time the rest of the country learns the meaning!

41 posted on 03/30/2013 12:24:46 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

“We are fighting a rear-action skirmish with ‘LOSER’ chasing us like a bumper sticker. It will require a really dedicated effort to overturn all this treason! Individual states reasserting their sovereignty is a good start!”

I agree we have been betrayed as we frequently are when it comes to the inherit corruption of Federal employees particular those that unaccountable men who wear black robes.

I for one was expecting this betrael along with most of the http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/

The Federal court like it or not has a long history of ignoring the text AND original practice of Federal Constitution. You have to remember that theses guys were hand picked by the very men who are bound by that Constitution in addition to being “bound” themselves.

The Federal court has no incentive beyond sheer magnanimity to up-hold the limits of the Federal Constitution upon either themselves or their appointing masters.

Magnanimity of course among power drunk men is an even more rare commodity than virtue. To expect a body of federal employees so chosen to hold seriously a document of limits upon themselves is madness.

If there is to be any constitutional limits upon Washington it must be imposed from the outside by the only interested parties the people and there States. As the people individuality are too weak to offer seriously resistance in many cases our States must find a way to do so.


42 posted on 03/30/2013 12:34:08 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise
***The Federal court has no incentive beyond sheer magnanimity to up-hold the limits of the Federal Constitution***

Thomas Jefferson warned that the greatest threat to our Republic would be a tyranny of the judges... Sounds a bit contemporary, eh?

43 posted on 03/30/2013 12:40:17 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, but you know as well as I do that some of the delegates would propose, and maybe even pass, Amendments institutionalizing some of the rampant socialism that we are currently experiencing.

If you want a Con Con, make it a clean one. Have an amendment firing all members of the current Congress, as well as repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments and abolishing the Fed.


44 posted on 03/30/2013 1:12:26 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Bob Ireland

You know as well as I do that some of the delegates would propose, and maybe even pass, Amendments institutionalizing some of the rampant socialism that we are currently experiencing.

If you want a Con Con, make it a clean one. Have an amendment firing all members of the current Congress, as well as repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments and abolishing the Fed.


45 posted on 03/30/2013 1:12:53 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is not a Constitutional Convention. Read up on the link in the story and Article V of the Constitution. It is a way of bypassing Washington altogether.


46 posted on 03/30/2013 1:24:16 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Politicaly we could not acomplish such a thing in the current political landscape.

Of course its worth noting Constitutional or not, theses socialist programs will contenue untill they collapce.

The only thing adding them to the constitution will do will make it all that more difficult to get rid of them when their financially dead weight upon everyone.

The way to get rid of Social Security like most socialist schemes is to privatize then volenteerize them. We can’t do that if the left are successful in enshrining the failure in the constitution.

It would become like the post office, political dead weight constantly revived at great expense to the tax payer.


47 posted on 03/30/2013 1:51:01 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Bob Ireland

“***The Federal court has no incentive beyond sheer magnanimity to up-hold the limits of the Federal Constitution***

Thomas Jefferson warned that the greatest threat to our Republic would be a tyranny of the judges... Sounds a bit contemporary, eh?”

Indeed it does. Thomas Jefferson and James Maddsions predictions proved to be quite ape. But then again so did many of the forecasts of the anti-federalist.

When given power & time politicians tend to break even the most well crafted systems of control to grow their own power and impose their own ambition.

We must face the real political posablity that we are in the apathy phase of our civilization’s decline. What we have is the lot of us and we must find a solution to work with that lot.


48 posted on 03/30/2013 1:56:17 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SatinDoll

More Mischief that is already taking place in ignoring the Federal Constitution?

We must find a way to make the Federal Constitution enforceable against Washington.


49 posted on 03/30/2013 2:12:50 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Bob Ireland

All we need is a 28th Constitutional amendment that states: The federal government is abolished.

If three-quarters of the states approve it, Washington DC seizes to exist.

Of course we would need a state’s structure to pick up the pieces and create a way to disassemble Washington and appoint a new commander in chief to take care of the military. That’s what an Article V convention would be for - to create an interim government to set up a new federal government with few and limited powers.


50 posted on 03/30/2013 4:04:10 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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