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Nearly 7K speeding tickets issued on ICC
WTOP ^ | March 29, 2013 | Ari Ashe

Posted on 04/01/2013 4:28:02 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

LAUREL, Md. - Since the Intercounty Connector opened, nearly 7,000 speeding tickets have been issued, according to documents obtained by WTOP.

While most tickets are clearly violations, some raise questions for drivers.

Police issued nearly 200 tickets to drivers going less than 65 mph in a 55 mph zone. On Oct. 6, 2011, a driver was ticketed for going 59 mph.

"That's crazy. I've never heard of that before and I don't understand it," says Sergio Gutierrez of Laurel.

He says it's confusing, especially with the recent story of Maryland State Police ticketing a woman for driving 62 mph in the left lane of Interstate 95 in Laurel.

The speed limit on that stretch is 65 mph.

"It's not fair," he says. "You're damned if you do, damned if you don't."

With thousands of speeding tickets being issued, Alan Bonney of Laurel wonders whether something else is going on.

"Sounds like somebody needs money. Perhaps the police are just trying to meet a quota," Bonney says.

Eric Henning of Laurel says drivers may be breaking the speed limit, but says police really need to be looking for another ICC problem.

"If you're really interested in safety, you should be going after drivers weaving in and out of traffic," says Eric Henning of Laurel.

Maryland Transportation Authority Police say that officers have discretion as to when it's appropriate to enforce traffic laws.

"A driver who exceeds the posted speed limit by even 1 mph is violating the law and is at risk of being charged for excessive speed," says Sgt. Jonathan Green with the agency.

"It is important to note that the risk of injury during a motor vehicle collision increases as vehicle speed increases, making speed enforcement critical in terms of maintaining highway safety," he says.

Police also note that the 200 tickets represent less than 3 percent of the 7,000 tickets.

On Saturday, March 30, the speed limit on the ICC will go up from 55 mph to 60 mph. A Maryland Transportation Authority study found the highway can support the higher speed limit without any safety risk.

Only a half-dozen drivers have received speeding tickets going 60 mph or less on the ICC. The latest case happened last October.

On the other end are tickets that are less debatable. Sixteen drivers were caught driving over 100 mph on the ICC.

In fact, on Sept. 17, 2011, a driver was pulled over for going 140 mph.

"Wow, OK. That driver is definitely in need of a ticket. That's completely unsafe," Gutierrez says.

"I can't understand how anyone would go that fast on a public road. If you want to go that fast, rent out a race track," Henning says.

"This is not the Autobahn in Germany. That driver should be locked up. It's people like those who put the safety of everyone at risk," says Raymond Kuhns of Laurel.

Green tells WTOP the driver challenged the ticket in court, but a judge found him guilty.

While most of the people with whom WTOP spoke aren't convinced a higher speed limit will do much, they hope it won't encourage more drivers to become speedsters.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: cantdrive55; gaithersburg; icc; laurel; md200; mdta; police; speeding; speedlimit

1 posted on 04/01/2013 4:28:03 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


2 posted on 04/01/2013 4:28:36 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s their revised business model. Same with the sparsely used Lexus Lanes in NoVA.


3 posted on 04/01/2013 4:32:27 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

O’Mally is hungry.

Crazy thing is no one is using the ICC anyway so he is trying to drive away those who do.


4 posted on 04/01/2013 4:34:22 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: battlecry

What on earth is a Lexus Lane?


5 posted on 04/01/2013 4:35:55 AM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: basil

A “Lexus Lane” is also known as an express lane or High Occupancy or Toll (HOT) lane. These lanes utilize congestion pricing (variable tolls) to keep them free-flowing, and they are typically built next to free lanes on a freeway. The more congested the freeway, the higher the price, except for car pools, which are allowed to use them for free. Some express lanes, however, are not HOT lanes, and everybody to uses them pays.

An example of a HOT lanes project is the six HOT lanes being added to the LBJ Freeway between I-35E and US 75 in Dallas.


6 posted on 04/01/2013 4:42:19 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"A driver who exceeds the posted speed limit by even 1 mph is violating the law and is at risk of being charged for excessive speed," says Sgt. Jonathan Green with the agency.


seig f'n heil, ya fascist douchebag

7 posted on 04/01/2013 4:43:20 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: basil

The “Lexus Lane” terminology is based on the misconception that the lanes will be mainly utilized by wealthy drivers.


8 posted on 04/01/2013 4:43:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Venturer

If you were an important person, like a government employee, wouldn’t you like a road, such as the ICC al to yourself?

Something like this could fit within Agenda 21, drive people into controlled roads.


9 posted on 04/01/2013 4:46:27 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the explanation.

I can’t think when the last time I was on a toll road was...........We don’t have many around here, but I never use them.

When you’re retired, you never have to be in a hurry-—LOL!


10 posted on 04/01/2013 4:48:07 AM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

On 495 (Northern VA) in the afternoon, the lexus lanes have at least 3 different cops on the 14 mile stretch...none in the commoner lanes.


11 posted on 04/01/2013 4:49:20 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I can't believe the ICC doesn't have a monthly discount plan. So it costs $40/week to use it?
12 posted on 04/01/2013 4:52:38 AM PDT by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just one more reason to stay the hell away from the hell-hole that DC has become.


13 posted on 04/01/2013 4:59:14 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Time for some civil disobedience. Drive the minimum speed. They can’t ticket you for that and the resulting traffic jam will bring more publicity to the issue.


14 posted on 04/01/2013 5:23:01 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Another example of our police being turned into revenue agents with guns. A form of taxation without representation ...legal extortion.

Of course like everything else engineered by democratic party trash, if you criticize the obvious extortion, the built it come back label is...”you’re unsafe”.


15 posted on 04/01/2013 5:25:17 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: tomkat

No one’s speedometer is that accurate.


16 posted on 04/01/2013 5:26:34 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In my neighborhood, if you want to find an example of a vehicle ignoring stop signs, failing to signal, speeding and with the driver distracted communicating with someone, just look for a police cruiser.

Of course, they’re highly trained drivers, unlike us peons. Same way they’re highly trained marksmen.


17 posted on 04/01/2013 5:37:44 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: ltc8k6
We have a family friend who was in a command position with the PA State Police for many years.

He told me that as a matter of policy "we'll give you 10 due to the limitations of the gear, but over 10 you'll likely get a ticket"

18 posted on 04/01/2013 5:38:24 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: exPBRrat

Here in NE Florida we had a good ole boy for sheriff for many years. He did some traffic patroling but was not excessive in ticket writing. The new locals, mostly transplanted yankees decided they needed a new sheriff and elected a guy’s whose resume was a highway patrolman. So, now we have radar, speed patrols, DUI checkpoints and people complaining about the excessive traffic enforcement. Note to transplanting Yankees, you will like it better in Miami or staying where you are.


19 posted on 04/01/2013 5:40:32 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s a TOLL road - so perhaps drivers believe they have paid for the privilege of getting to their destinations as quickly as possible.

Read the Maryland TA rationale (revenue) for tolls and peak hours.

http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/ICC/Toll_Rates.html

The MDTA will continuously monitor traffic volumes and may adjust the toll rates periodically to manage traffic volumes or help meet revenue needs.

Pay to play!!!


20 posted on 04/01/2013 5:40:52 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: tomkat

Old adage - “Over 9, pay the fine”.

Seems like they want to make it a little tighter. Unfortunately, speedometers aren’t perfectly accurate on most cars so you can be going a few MPH slower or faster than indicated.


21 posted on 04/01/2013 5:44:36 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: basil
When you’re retired, you never have to be in a hurry-—LOL!

The only time we use the toll roads is when we go to ABIA during rush hour. Did you hear about the driver that hit a herd of wild hogs on the 85 MPH part of SH 130 last week? It was almost dark and about 35 hogs ran in front of their car.

22 posted on 04/01/2013 5:47:07 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: sodpoodle

There is a toll road, 130, that goes around Austin because of the heavy traffic on I-35 and has a feeder that drops down to 1-10 that is about 35mi long. Total about 80mi.

The speed limit on the Austin circle in 80mph and the feeder to I-10 is 85mph. In Texas, you can only drive about 5mph over without a ticket, but I don’t ever see many cops on it. More wild hogs than cops.


23 posted on 04/01/2013 5:50:42 AM PDT by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: sodpoodle

The road was supposed to get some of the heavy traffic off of the beltway, but the tolls are so high that the traffic is sparse, making that objective unlikely.


24 posted on 04/01/2013 5:54:29 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: All

People have been clamoring for an ICC since the early 90’s. They wanted a better way to get to work. Maryland gave them in return was a 14 mile long speed trap masquerading as a toll road. And they wonder why nobody takes it.


25 posted on 04/01/2013 5:57:20 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Misplaced Texan

Probably more wild hogs than cars, too.


26 posted on 04/01/2013 6:00:41 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: tomkat

“A driver who exceeds the posted speed limit by even 1 mph is violating the law and is at risk of being charged for excessive speed,” says Sgt. Jonathan Green with the agency.

Technically correct.
But soooo schtupid.


27 posted on 04/01/2013 6:04:01 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: perez24
On 495 (Northern VA) in the afternoon, the lexus lanes have at least 3 different cops on the 14 mile stretch...none in the commoner lanes.

That's what they call "taxing the rich".

28 posted on 04/01/2013 6:11:08 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Don't seem to have that problem out here:


29 posted on 04/01/2013 6:37:00 AM PDT by glock rocks (No, the game never ends, when your whole world depends, on the turn of a friendy card.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Good gosh! No, I didn’t hear about that.

What was the outcome?


30 posted on 04/01/2013 6:45:37 AM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

From what I hear, I don’t think there’s been a total of 7,000 cars on that road since it opened.


32 posted on 04/01/2013 6:56:41 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

http://youtu.be/iprAsCibZtM

Some people find a way to eliminate the photo box.


33 posted on 04/01/2013 7:20:04 AM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org -- http://defcad.org/)
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To: basil

I think the vehicle rolled several times, but all the passengers lived.


34 posted on 04/01/2013 7:25:56 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

That’s a miracle in itself. Glad to hear it!


35 posted on 04/01/2013 7:35:47 AM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; basil

Better and more generally known as high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes.


36 posted on 04/01/2013 8:03:51 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Adder

In the People’s Police State of New Jersey, the state with the highest trough eater density outside of DC, cruise control is your friend. However setting it exactly at the speed limit causes dangerous levels of road rage, especially if the limit is 25 mph and the car behind you has law enforcement license plates.


37 posted on 04/01/2013 8:49:01 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"It is important to note that the risk of injury during a motor vehicle collision increases as vehicle speed increases, making speed enforcement critical in terms of maintaining highway safety," he says.

This is bullshite.

When Montana got rid of interstate speed limits, average speed increased, but fatalities were reduced.

The key here is that people don't generally want to die. If you have a group of cars cruising along at 90 MPH, their biggest concern is a moron in the left lane running at 50, not the other cars travelling at speed.

38 posted on 04/01/2013 9:12:28 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Another unintended consequence - issuing so many suspect speeding tickets will only deter commuters from using this route. Drivers are speeding on the Beltway - but it’s too labor intensive and disruptive to pull them over in rush hour!!!

If these ‘brilliant’ MDTA minds had any clue - they would increase the speed limit on 200 and issue tickets on the Beltway. More tolls and more tickets = more money!!!!


39 posted on 04/01/2013 9:25:58 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: sodpoodle

Having escaped from the LIB hell-hole, MD, last year, I can say that they are mentally incapacitated there. An incredible hundreds of millions was spent of a road (the ICC) that for-the-most-part no one uses. The state purchased the right of way in the 1950’s but the various LIB asshat pinheads delayed it for 50+ years with various EPA-type concerns. Also, the LIB morons were using the vacant right-of-way as parks...and that was another problem to resolve. Here in Utah we don’t seem to have such problems. Free at last...Thank God...Free at last!!!!!


40 posted on 04/01/2013 9:40:41 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: basil

Well, so far we haven’t had to travel the area south of US 71 yet. The 85 MPH limit starts quite a bit south of the ABIA exit past Buda. The 80 MPH on 130 is about as fast as I will drive.

Starting today, truckers will pay the same as passenger vehicles on 130 if they get on at Buda and stay on it to the end past Georgetown. I’m sure that will take a lot off IH 35 in Austin.


41 posted on 04/01/2013 10:22:17 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: BobL

I hear it’s 20K to 30K on a given weekday, depending on what part of it you’re discussing. Well below capacity, of course. I’d just lower the freaking tolls.


42 posted on 04/01/2013 11:00:11 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

HOV lanes are free, while HOT lanes charge a toll for non-carpoolers.


43 posted on 04/01/2013 11:02:12 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I don’t know how well that will work. I suspect that the corporate scum will simply tell their drivers to stay mired in traffic on I-35 to save some money.


44 posted on 04/01/2013 11:05:19 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Well, there were a lot of truckers who paid the higher tolls on SH 130 to stay out of the traffic in Austin before this went into effect. Most big rigs can save several hours during rush hour getting on 130 and avoid Austin entirely. Add one or two crashes and that translates into a lot of dollars.
45 posted on 04/01/2013 12:35:00 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“I hear it’s 20K to 30K on a given weekday, depending on what part of it you’re discussing. Well below capacity, of course. I’d just lower the freaking tolls.”

I hear you, Tol. I was having some fun with that boondoggle. You’re right, of course, the state would make a lot more friends if they lowered the tolls and upped the margin they give drivers (and/or up the speed limit).


46 posted on 04/01/2013 4:18:34 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: BobL

They just upped it to 60, which is apparently the speed the engineers designed the road for.


47 posted on 04/02/2013 6:23:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All

I hit 75 on the ICC regularly. No tickets so far.


48 posted on 04/03/2013 5:15:31 PM PDT by GunsareOK
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