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Tax-raising Affordable Care Act started in wrong house of Congress [Obamacare is unconstitutional]
Pacific Legal Foundation ^

Posted on 04/01/2013 11:08:41 PM PDT by grundle

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It was Obama's own lawyers who argued in front of the Supreme Court that the mandate was a tax and not a penalty. Obama taught Constitutional law at the University of Chicago. He must have known about this. And yet, he violated his Presidential oath to protect and defend the Constitution when he signed Obamacare.
1 posted on 04/01/2013 11:08:41 PM PDT by grundle
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Ah jeez. This is just like the “birthers” crap. Just like Obama was elected - this bill has passed. All these questions and lawsuits and wanting to know the truth is so stupid.

What does it matter now anyway!?


2 posted on 04/01/2013 11:15:46 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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If this abomination can be stopped by any means, any technicality, etc., it should be pursued vigorously.


3 posted on 04/01/2013 11:21:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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The AHCA actually started life in the House as some completely different bill, from what I understand. Once it got to the Senate, it was hollowed out completely and reconstituted in its current form. Thus, this suit will be found to have no merit, since technically the bill met the requirements for a revenue bill.


4 posted on 04/01/2013 11:22:49 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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“...any technicality...”

Ya mean, like it isn’t allowed by our Constitution? Good luck.

Sadly - something so basic, will be viewed by so many as grasping at straws.


5 posted on 04/01/2013 11:24:55 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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good outfit. good point. wish boehner would apply it to defund obamacare.


6 posted on 04/01/2013 11:27:43 PM PDT by dadfly
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Obama taught Constitutional law at the University of Chicago. He must have known about this.

There's a non sequitur if I ever saw one. One might as well argue: The sky is blue. Pigs must fly.

I know ... I know. PRO FORMA he must have known.

Heh. Looking at the Wikipedia article on PRO FORMA, I come full circle and find this:

In the United States federal government, either house of the Congress (the House of Representatives or the Senate) can hold a pro forma session at which no formal business is expected to be conducted.[5] This is usually to fulfill the obligation under the Constitution "that neither chamber can adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other."[6] Pro forma sessions can also be used to prevent the President pocket-vetoing bills, or calling the Congress into special session.[7] They have also been used to prevent presidents from making recess appointments. However, in 2012, President Barack Obama made four appointments during a pro forma session,[8] calling the practice of blocking recess appointments into question.[9][dead link]

So you see, Constitution Shmonstitution. Obama knows this very well.

7 posted on 04/01/2013 11:33:28 PM PDT by dr_lew
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What do you mean? This is different. This legal challenge started the moment SCOTUS ruled 0bamacare a tax. Prior to that, only the King’s inner circle knew that.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 12:06:45 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Little Pig

I wonder what PLF’s response to that line of argument is. If it is true, then they must be aware of it, and presumably they don’t want to be viewed as vexatious at the USSC level lol...


9 posted on 04/02/2013 12:24:19 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Little Pig

Thanks for telling me that. Then I agree with you - this lawsuit has no merit. I was wrong.


10 posted on 04/02/2013 12:54:00 AM PDT by grundle
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Well sport...it does matter.. At least to those of us who still believe in and live by our Constitution. Surprised someone with your lack of these ideals would want to be a part of a forum like FR.


11 posted on 04/02/2013 12:58:49 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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What's that you say?

Constitution?

Constitution?

We doon need no Constitution!

Jus gives us yo money!

12 posted on 04/02/2013 1:18:29 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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Found the info. Here’s a timeline of the bill from the NY Times of all places:

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/bills/111/hr3590

Apparently, it started life as tax breaks for military homeowners, and when it reached the Senate it was completely eviscerated into a “shell bill”. They then larded it down with amendments that eventually became the AHCA. So the whole of Ocare is actually amendments. There’s no core to the bill.


13 posted on 04/02/2013 1:42:05 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: 21twelve

Yawn


14 posted on 04/02/2013 1:43:03 AM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Who would prosecute? It would eventually end up in the Supreme Court and the outcome would be obvious.

We have a POS POTUS that violates the constitution daily and a totally useless congress that fails to do anything about it.


15 posted on 04/02/2013 2:09:00 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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We have a compromised Chief Justice, too. Either he was lying about his judicial philosophy all along or he’s being blackmailed either on his sexuality or on a questionable adoption (and all need not be mutually exclusive).


16 posted on 04/02/2013 2:16:57 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: grundle

I believe the whole thing was geared to be declared unconstitutional, then tossed out a month or two prior to the 2012 election, thus giving him momentum strictly upon the terrible act of the Supreme Court. But the court denied him this political angle, and now...he’s stuck with something that won’t fully function.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 2:31:22 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: grundle

While the origination clause is effective, the Senate has in the past initiated fiscal bills (even budgets). However, the final action is approval by the House in conference where the conferees agree on the language and the House votes or revotes, legally approving the bill as if it orginated the bill.

That said, I believe there was some illegal maneuvering by Pelosi on the supposed conference return. Remember the “Deemed Passed” ruling? The House never actually voted on it if I recall correctly. Personally, I think the bill is illegal on that fact alone. But we shall see just how big a set of balls the US Courts have in adjudicating this.


18 posted on 04/02/2013 3:08:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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That’s just exactly what Justice Roberts and four other traitors on the supreme court said.

“don’t need no stinking constitution”, we “supreme” we make ‘da laws round hea”


19 posted on 04/02/2013 3:20:55 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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“We have a POS POTUS that violates the constitution daily and a totally useless congress that fails to do anything about it.”

Amen...!


20 posted on 04/02/2013 3:22:58 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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