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Arizona Man 86 given probation in the mercy killing of wife.
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Posted on 04/02/2013 6:14:21 AM PDT by wyowolf

There was no doubt 86-year-old George Sanders killed his ailing wife. Yet everyone in the small Arizona courtroom — the prosecutor, the judge and even the couple's family members — agreed it was a time for compassion, not punishment. "My grandfather lived to love my grandmother, to serve and to make her feel as happy as he could every moment of their life," Sanders' grandson, Grant, told the judge, describing the couple's life together as "a beautiful love story." "I truly believe that the pain had become too much for my grandmother to bear," he said, while Sanders looked on during the sentencing hearing Friday and occasionally wiped his eyes with a tissue as relatives pleaded tearfully for mercy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: bioethics; elderly; mercykillings
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What a truly sad story...
1 posted on 04/02/2013 6:14:21 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: wyowolf

my first thougt... why use a gun? there are TONS of better ways of ending it.


2 posted on 04/02/2013 6:19:43 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: wyowolf

Regardless, I could put myself into his shoes very easily and the emotions he must have (and still is) experiencing are gut-wrenching. I can understand not wanting to terminate your own life, but I wonder if I wouldn’t have been 5 seconds behind my wife...


3 posted on 04/02/2013 6:22:17 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The old man will not be around long now.

I have known several men who actually willed themselves to die after losing their wives. My brother was one of them.

A woman I dearly loved willed herself to die only two weeks after her husband. She stayed alive just to care for him.

It happens, perhaps it is best.


4 posted on 04/02/2013 6:26:04 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: TexasFreeper2009
my first thougt... why use a gun? there are TONS of better ways of ending it.

So you spend a lot of time thinking of ways to kill people?

5 posted on 04/02/2013 6:31:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So you spend a lot of time thinking of ways to kill people?

Doesn't anyone who spends 5 minutes listening to politicians talk about their solutions to our problems...

6 posted on 04/02/2013 6:37:30 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

no... but I read the news and am aware of far more peacefull ways of killing oneself, such as simply going to the garage and starting the car with the door down.


7 posted on 04/02/2013 6:38:36 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: wyowolf

slippery slope


8 posted on 04/02/2013 6:40:06 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

She should have had enough drugs around to kill her. Strange way to do it.


9 posted on 04/02/2013 6:47:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The best way is to inhale pure nitrogen using a face mask. It makes you euphoric, shuts down the brain and you die.

The worst way to go is having headphones glued to your ears and having to listen to this over and over for about 3 minutes............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

At first the victim screams bloody murder at the sound of the shrill voice, then blood comes out of his ears, then the eyes pop out of the sockets and then the head explodes. It’s very gruesome.


10 posted on 04/02/2013 6:53:45 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: AppyPappy

A pitcher of Margaritas and a months prescription of Ambien would do the trick.


11 posted on 04/02/2013 6:56:14 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: TexasFreeper2009

No matter how sick or old, one has NO right to play God.


12 posted on 04/02/2013 6:56:36 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
“The best way is to inhale pure nitrogen using a face mask. It makes you euphoric, shuts down the brain”

I've had a touch of nitrogen narcosis while diving. I believe you.

13 posted on 04/02/2013 7:00:06 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: wyowolf; Elsie; Zakeet
Soon we'll all be able to visit her resting place.
14 posted on 04/02/2013 7:03:19 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Shooting is a method used on animals. That’s a little disturbing.


15 posted on 04/02/2013 7:08:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
No matter how sick or old, one has NO right to play God.

nice sentiment. but in this case you're wrong.Suffering is noway to die

16 posted on 04/02/2013 7:13:18 AM PDT by vikzilla
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

dude, that was CRUEL!!


17 posted on 04/02/2013 7:16:17 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: vikzilla; Coldwater Creek
CC, you are correct.

He had no right to play God.

According to an obscure faith known as Christianity, suffering actually has redemptive value.

Colossians 1:24.

18 posted on 04/02/2013 7:24:52 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: vikzilla

I SUFFER from Pulmonary Fibrosis. I am slowly smothering to death. My God knows this and will not give me more than I can stand.


19 posted on 04/02/2013 7:28:05 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: wideawake

Yes, it does.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 7:29:53 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek

“... one has NO right to play God”.

Personally, I am glad that the man was given probation. He obviously demonstrated he was a loving husband... taking care of her personal needs, medications, cooking, cleaning etc... God knows what is in this man’s heart and the reasons he took his wife’s life (which she asked him to do rather than die... neglected.. in a nursing home). His INTENT was to honor his wife’s wishes and quickly cease her suffering. With his failing health... he will probably be with her soon.


21 posted on 04/02/2013 7:31:34 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree
Thou shall not commit murder unless someone is begging for you to shoot them. I don't think so. Obviously, the husband did not know the heart of God.
22 posted on 04/02/2013 7:40:33 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Right. He should be held accountable.


23 posted on 04/02/2013 7:43:09 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type)a)
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To: wyowolf

If this was a less enlightened nation, the judge could have sentenced him to be remarried, “as a warning to others.”


24 posted on 04/02/2013 7:44:01 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: momtothree
All we have is his word that she ordered him to kill her.

We know almost nothing about this man, or the woman he murdered, or about their life together.

25 posted on 04/02/2013 7:52:57 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wyowolf; Dubh_Ghlase
Something's wrong here. Sedation and analgesia are basic parts of excellent palliative care.

It really is sad: but he should not have committed murder. Specialists in pain management 30 years ago and more were saying "There's no such thing as intractable pain. There is, unfortunately, such a thing as intractable doctors and nurses." In other words, effective pain management for the terminally ill has been around for a long time.... unless the doctor is unwilling or unable to practice basic palliative medicine.

Put in writing what your medical choices are while you still have the ability to do it. Download the National Right to Life WILL TO LIVE (LINK) now and customize it carefully according to your own best judgment. Then make sure your nearest and dearest know EXACTLY what you mean, because no piece of paper will help you if it doesn't have a living, vocal advocate behind it.

What happened in this shooting murder should never, never have taken place.

26 posted on 04/02/2013 7:56:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Exactly!


27 posted on 04/02/2013 8:13:12 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: wyowolf
Didn't read the whole story but assuming that he was a good man and was good to her and the rest of his family during his long life and that she was,in fact,suffering greatly one can feel great sadness over this case.I see he used a firearm....*that* I can't go along with.A handful of pills would have been a gentler way to do it.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was to die soon himself...perhaps of natural causes but maybe not.

Growing old ain't for sissies.

28 posted on 04/02/2013 8:13:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Coldwater Creek
No matter how sick or old, one has NO right to play God.

That's true but one must also consider the possibility of substantial neuropsychiatric deterioration in the husband...even if no blatant outward signs of it were evident.God certainly fully understands such scenarios and would be forgiving in such a situation.

29 posted on 04/02/2013 8:17:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: CrazyIvan

I saw a show a few years ago made in England where this guy researched the best way to die. He interviewed all these scientists and doctors and they went over all these different ways a person could die, how much pain is felt etc etc and eventually at the end of the show (which was like an hour long) they came to the conclusion that the most pleasurable way to go was by inhaling pure nitrogen. He then asked a prison warden why they didn’t execute inmates that way instead of lethal injection, and the warden said “Because we don’t want them to go out feeling pleasure” lol...I was like oh great, now the libs are going to demand nitrogen executions.


30 posted on 04/02/2013 8:39:22 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Be professional, be polite....but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.


31 posted on 04/02/2013 8:40:50 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Really........???

I guess many in the military would disagree with you.

32 posted on 04/02/2013 8:42:21 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: wyowolf

Yes I should have warned people before they hit that link. I played it for my brother and immediately he put his hands over his ears and started screaming YAAAH! (I’m not kidding lol!)

The military should do away with waterboarding. They should play that instead.


33 posted on 04/02/2013 8:42:57 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Osage Orange
Be professional, be polite....but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

"If you #$@& with me, I will kill you all."

34 posted on 04/02/2013 8:43:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I happen to be in the Health Care biz.........

I've seen plenty of patients die. I've seen some go like I'd like to go...And I've seen too many go...in a way I wouldn't wish.

Many families..and Doctor's end up torturing their loved ones/patients. And I don't use the word "torturing" lightly.

The lead up to death can be horrible...but it doesn't have to be. I can totally understand a spouse that can't stand the sight and sound of their loved one being tortured...to make it all stop.

Was a gun the right way? Probably not. Will God punish him? I don't know.

Is God a loving God...that knows the hearts of all men and women? Yes!!

35 posted on 04/02/2013 8:52:35 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: wyowolf

Probation makes sense. I assume the terms are that he is not to kill any more terminally ill wives.


36 posted on 04/02/2013 9:04:10 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Osage Orange
All the points you have made are true--- certainly worth considering carefully.

Let's say a patient is gravely weakened, in irreversible decline, and has an underlying medical condition which is basically untreatable at this point. That person should not be tormented with futile treatments, "heroic" interventions, chemo, radiation, surgeries, etc. which they can't tolerate and are just burdensome for no purpose.

That's when the focus of treatment has to shift to comfort-care: meds to control pain, agitation, nausea and the other symptoms of untreatable illness. Adequate food and water to keep comfortable; clean, hygienic, pleasant surroundings. Counseling and assistance needed for the main care-giver, too (like this poor husband) who may well be suffering from depression, stress, emotional trauma.

This was a bad death. Being shot to death by one's husband is bad. Why didn't both the wife and the husband have appropriate help? Who was the doctor? WHO LET IT GET TO THIS POINT?

37 posted on 04/02/2013 9:10:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't know.

Things happen.

I cry for the man.

Although I understand it.

For all we know...his wife begged him.

We will all meet death. How, is the question.

38 posted on 04/02/2013 9:32:34 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: Gunslingr3

BINGO!


39 posted on 04/02/2013 10:07:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger
Any Boy Scout who successfully uploads 10,000 gravestone photos will receive a handcrafted granite plaque in addition to receiving credit for his community service as required for his Eagle award.

O...
K...

40 posted on 04/02/2013 10:11:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

Ha!

They beat GOOGLE® to it!

But, the GoogleMorg will link the photos into GoogleEarth© and we be able to visit ANY graveyard; instantly!


41 posted on 04/02/2013 10:13:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: momtothree
“... one has NO right to play God”.

HA HA HA HAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!


(Unless they are wearing a white lab coat...)




42 posted on 04/02/2013 10:15:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
WHO LET IT GET TO THIS POINT?

Sometimes you don't get good information from doctors and you don't know what else to do. My father's death from cancer had some bad days. At the time we didn't know better. In retrospect we could have done things differently and my father would have been more comfortable.

43 posted on 04/02/2013 10:18:22 AM PDT by Taylor42
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
The MythBuster dudes always say, "We are professionals. Do NOT try this at home."



Yes; by all means; let the professionals do it...




44 posted on 04/02/2013 10:25:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Osage Orange
We will all meet death. How, is the question.

And a certain religious group adds: and after that the Judgement.

45 posted on 04/02/2013 10:26:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I don’t care about them, FRiend.


46 posted on 04/02/2013 10:30:31 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: wideawake

“... we know nothing about this man...”

Well, in a way we do via his children and grandchildren. They speak of their 60 plus years together as loving. They also admit that he took excellent care of her including numerous trips to the doctors/specialists. I think if there was an indication that he just got sick of her and his life... there would be more details including that she was dirty, starved, etc.. via her medical doctors. I don’t condone murder. However, I look at intent. His intent, IMHO, was not to get “rid” of his wife. His intent was to end her suffering. I wouldn’t want to walk a mile in his shoes.. seeing someone you love suffer and hearing them beg to end their life. All I am saying is that he is old, sick himself and nearing the end of his life with the woman he loved who was in pain. I think it is easy to judge and say, “NEVER, EVER” when you look at simple facts on paper. I think living it... seeing it and dealing with that kind of stress is difficult to comprehend unless you are in his shoes. Just my opinion....


47 posted on 04/02/2013 10:53:52 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: TexasFreeper2009

My wife and I managed the final days for three elderly relatives last fall—one in September and 2in December.

Being that close, and watching people you love struggle...I came to the conclusion that I can make it more comfortable, but I could not cause it.

What a horrible experience for this man and his wife.


48 posted on 04/02/2013 11:41:53 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Elsie

Actually the Bible says that.


49 posted on 04/02/2013 11:49:35 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: momtothree

I have Pulmonary Fibrosis. Put a clothespin on your nose, a straw in your mouth and a 2ton elephant on your chest. That is my life everyday. When I can’t get air into my concrete turning lungs, should my daughter just put a pillow over my face and make all of this terror go away. It will go when God says it will go. Until then He will give me and my family the grace to endure.


50 posted on 04/02/2013 11:58:13 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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