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Mass murders a white-male, not mental-health, issue
Daily News ^ | April 1, 2013 | CHARLOTTE AND HARRIET CHILDRESS

Posted on 04/02/2013 8:56:34 AM PDT by South Hawthorne

IMAGINE if African-American men and boys were committing mass shootings month after month, year after year. Articles and interviews would flood the media, and we'd have political debates demanding that African-Americans be "held accountable."

But when the criminals and leaders are white men, race and gender become the elephant in the room.

Nearly all the mass shootings in this country in recent years have been committed by white men and boys.

Unlike other groups, white men are not used to being singled out. So we expect that many of them will protest that it is unfair if we talk about them. But our nation must correctly define their contribution to our problem of gun violence if it is to be solved.

When white men try to divert attention from gun control by talking about mental-health issues, many people buy into the idea that the United States has a national mental-health problem, or flawed systems with which to address those problems, and they think that is what produces mass shootings.

But women and girls with mental-health issues are not picking up semiautomatic weapons and shooting schoolchildren. Immigrants with mental-health issues are not committing mass shootings in malls and movie theaters. Latinos with mental-health issues are not continually killing groups of strangers.

Each of us is programmed from childhood to believe that the top group of our hierarchies - and in the U.S. culture, that's white men - represents everyone, so it can feel awkward, even ridiculous, when we try to call attention to those people as a distinct group and hold them accountable.

For example, our schools teach American history as the history of everyone in this nation. But the stories we learn are predominantly about white men. To study the history of other groups, people have to take separate classes, such as African-American history, women's history or Native American history. This societal and cultural programming makes it easy for conservative, white-male-led groups to convince the nation that an organization led by white men, such as the National Rifle Association or the tea-party movement, can represent the interests of the entire nation when, in fact, they predominately represent only their own experiences and perspectives.

If life were equitable, white-male gun-rights advocates would face some serious questions to assess their degree of credibility and objectivity. We would expect them to explain: What facets of white-male culture create so many mass shootings? Why are so many white men and boys producing and entertaining themselves with violent video games and other media? Why do white men buy, sell and manufacture guns for profit; attend gun shows; and demonstrate for unrestricted gun access disproportionately more than people of other ethnicities or races? Why are white-male congressmen leading the fight against gun control?

If Americans ask the right questions on gun issues, we will get the right answers. These answers will encourage white men to examine their role in their own culture and to help other white men and boys become healthier and less violent.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: aliens; banglist; guncontrol; insanity; lieandmorelies; massmurder; opinion; racebaiting; racism; secondamendment; usefulidiot
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Folks, I thought this was an April Fool's joke when I read it yesterday, but I haven't found a retraction, so I have to assume it's real.

The names Jiverly Wong, Eduardo Scencion, Chai Vang, Sueng Chi Ho, Omar Shariff Thornton, Jennifer San Marco, Colin Ferguson, and Jing Hua Wu immediately jump to mind.

1 posted on 04/02/2013 8:56:34 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: South Hawthorne
Mass-shootings are less than 1% of all murders.

Gangs commit the vast majority of murders.

2 posted on 04/02/2013 8:58:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: South Hawthorne

Yeah the white gangs are running rampant in the cities.


3 posted on 04/02/2013 8:59:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: South Hawthorne
IMAGINE if African-American men and boys were committing mass shootings month after month, year after year. Articles and interviews would flood the media, and we'd have political debates demanding that African-Americans be "held accountable.

Unthankfully, there is empirical proof of the truth or falsity of that contention.

4 posted on 04/02/2013 9:00:31 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: South Hawthorne

Cool - so we can now start talking openly about race and crime stats?

lol... doubtful....


5 posted on 04/02/2013 9:00:38 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: South Hawthorne

What? There is a mass murder by white guys month after month....how come we don’t hear about them?
Guess not because we do not hear about blacks killing blacks by the thousands every year either.


6 posted on 04/02/2013 9:00:49 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: South Hawthorne
Nidal Malik Hasan....
7 posted on 04/02/2013 9:01:06 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Keep your focus on the TRUTH and we will prevail . . . One Day at a Time, Mates!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If “white maleness” causes mass murders,
then why aren’t there more mass murders?

So, the correlation fails.

Mental illness causes mass murders, correlation positive.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 9:02:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: South Hawthorne

And there are even more. In fact, if you list them all, it’s yet another crime category in which minorities commit the crime at disproportionate levels, (and so is serial murder), while the white rate is proportional to the white population.


9 posted on 04/02/2013 9:03:06 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: South Hawthorne

Another of N reasons (where N is a large number) why journalists should just leave math alone. It is not their friend. It is just too complicated for their diminutive minds to comprehend.

(Snarkiness aside, there exists a very good rebuke of this silliness - which involves pretty much the most simplistic approach one has to take when doing statistical analysis. I just saw it today and one can find it easily.)


10 posted on 04/02/2013 9:03:09 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: South Hawthorne

“..IMAGINE if African-American men and boys were committing mass shootings month after month, year after year...”

Imagine??? think Chicago, Detroit, and most every other major city!!


11 posted on 04/02/2013 9:03:54 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: South Hawthorne

What about the Fort Hood guy? Francis X O’Toole, I think?


12 posted on 04/02/2013 9:05:09 AM PDT by steve8714 (Any homosexual man can marry any woman he wants.)
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To: South Hawthorne

Black on black murders are through the roof. Imagine if the black population was equal to the whites.

And this fool of an author dares lectures us?


13 posted on 04/02/2013 9:06:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: South Hawthorne

I guess they can conveniently forget the black guys who were shooting innocent people from the trunk of their car on the east coast?


14 posted on 04/02/2013 9:06:08 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: South Hawthorne

John Muhammad.


15 posted on 04/02/2013 9:06:25 AM PDT by steve8714 (Any homosexual man can marry any woman he wants.)
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To: South Hawthorne

White males commit 70% of mass murders
Whites are 60% of the US population
I would say this rate is pretty much proportional to population. Statistical noise.

I am not going to get into the high rate of “non-mass-murder” murders committed by black males, because there are about a million confounding factors and it is not useful to frame the problem in those terms.


16 posted on 04/02/2013 9:06:40 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: South Hawthorne

Identity politics is a continuous inane argument of incorrect conclusions drawn from fallacious assumptions. Just about every statement in this incoherent rant is either an outright lie or a conclusion based on a lie.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 9:06:46 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: South Hawthorne
Auburn Calloway from Memphis is notably left out. Had he succeeded he would have killed hundreds, if not thousands, of innocents. The New Orleans shooter, a racist named Mark Essex, killed numerous people before being machine gunned down back in January 1973. Who ever wrote this article is racist and looking for blame without facts.
18 posted on 04/02/2013 9:08:11 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: steve8714

Colin Ferguson


19 posted on 04/02/2013 9:08:17 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: South Hawthorne
Funny.

I guess people see what they want to see.

Seems to me the media and the government are very much set on singling out white men.

How many bills being proposed right now would have any effect what-so-ever on people who commit inner-city gun crimes?

How many bills being proposed right now would make criminals out of people who like to own and shoot semi-automatic rifles?

Which group is predominately white?





Take your time...
20 posted on 04/02/2013 9:08:25 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: South Hawthorne

I don’t have any problem with accepting that mass shooters tend to be white but they account for such a small number of murders overall that its barely a statistical blip.

Compare it to gang and drug related shootings and those mass shootings are barely noticeable regardless of race. How many have been killed in Chicago, LA, Detroit, Flint, St Louis etc over the past 3 months?


21 posted on 04/02/2013 9:08:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

if you want to talk about mass shooings, talk about the massive numbers of blacks shot by other blacks each year. may not be many per incident, but the numbers show who’s really doing the illegal shooting out there,


22 posted on 04/02/2013 9:09:09 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: South Hawthorne
--yep--"mass murders" pale into insignificance next to violence committed on its own members by the nation's largest minority group--

--in Chicago alone , in the last few years they have murdered more of their own than all of lynching "victims" from 1865 to the present day--

23 posted on 04/02/2013 9:10:18 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: servo1969

The media is happily reporting on the aryan brotherhood shootings while the police themselves are saying , not so fast.

The AB are scumbags and possibly involved but I suspect it has more to do with the drug cartels.


24 posted on 04/02/2013 9:10:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: South Hawthorne

Mass murders by whites?

Explain homicides in chicago, detroit, DC, and new york to me, with a demographic breakdown of perps. Explain that one away, if you can, but you can’t. Spare me the white mass murder line when people of their own color murder more of their own than anybody else.


25 posted on 04/02/2013 9:11:02 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: South Hawthorne
The names Jiverly Wong, Eduardo Scencion, Chai Vang, Sueng Chi Ho, Omar Shariff Thornton, Jennifer San Marco, Colin Ferguson, and Jing Hua Wu immediately jump to mind.

...Boyd Lee Malvo, John Allen Muhammad, Charles Chi-Tat Ng, Wayne Bertram Williams...off the top of my head.

26 posted on 04/02/2013 9:12:49 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: servo1969

Great... 0bama is now making us look at political activity through the lens of race, like he and his “community” always do.

But, maybe it’s time we took the blinders off. They are, indeed, targeting white, straight, Christian males with their laws.


27 posted on 04/02/2013 9:13:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: South Hawthorne

The United States of America would not have happened without the “evil white men” who gave everything to the cause. Yet, it has been white men who set the table for the destruction of the United States of America. So they must give Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson, Carter and Clinton an exemption. Then there is Obama who is the one that hates his white side - sort of like Hitler hated his Jewish “darkside”. It’s impossible for me to grasp the hatred which exists within those who want to destroy this republic.


28 posted on 04/02/2013 9:14:15 AM PDT by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: South Hawthorne

In the 1980s it was psychowomen holding people hostage at McDonald’s. Depends on what trend the media starts covering.

Homosexual murder sprees don’t get ink.


29 posted on 04/02/2013 9:15:48 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: factoryrat

And how many here even have heard of the “Zebra murders-a series of murders by the Black Panthers in the Seventies. They used a “points” system-from lowest to highest-white males, white females, white children. They also murdered black “traitors”. They sometimes tortured their victims before killing them (such as cutting off a victim’s limbs and other parts before killing him).


30 posted on 04/02/2013 9:16:23 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: South Hawthorne

More female mass murderers?
Karla Homolka
Priscilla Joyce Ford
Andrea Yates
Caril Ann Fugate

More non-white mass murderers:
Cho Mun Chu
Eduardo Sencion
Nidal Hassan
All 19 9-11 hijackers

This article is just typical man-hating womyns garbage.


31 posted on 04/02/2013 9:19:47 AM PDT by Velvet_Jones
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To: South Hawthorne

Funny how things shake out...

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/?single_page=true


32 posted on 04/02/2013 9:20:54 AM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: mrsmel

But of course, it’s the evil white man that drives the blacks and Latinos to commit the murders of their own. We are evil because of the grief and oppression we cause.


33 posted on 04/02/2013 9:21:00 AM PDT by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: South Hawthorne

I’ll take your Newtown and raise you Chicago, nitwit.


34 posted on 04/02/2013 9:21:56 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: South Hawthorne

Oh how they forget when all the DC bureaucrats shit their pants whenever they had to get out in public afraid that the middle aged white sniper man in a white van would blow their brains out. Turned out to be?


35 posted on 04/02/2013 9:22:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Jukeman

Yet those whom we supposedly “oppress” so greatly line up to enter our country, and follow us to our “white flight” suburbs with alacrity.


36 posted on 04/02/2013 9:23:00 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Velvet_Jones; South Hawthorne

This article is just typical man-hating womyns garbage

37 posted on 04/02/2013 9:23:02 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: South Hawthorne

“Immigrants with mental-health issues are not committing mass shootings in malls and movie theaters. Latinos with mental-health issues are not continually killing groups of strangers.”

Seriously? Is anyone REALLY this stupid?

This illegal alien LATINO murdered 15 Americans, and he didn’t need a gun!

The Mexican drifter known as the “Railroad Killer” was executed for the slaying of physician Claudia Benton 7½ years ago. She was killed during a deadly spree in 1998 and 1999 that earned Resendiz a spot on the FBI’s Most Wanted list as authorities searched for a murderer who slipped across the U.S. border and roamed the country by freight train.

Benton was stabbed with a kitchen knife, bludgeoned with a 2-foot bronze statue and raped in 1998 in her Houston home, just down the street from a railroad track.[snip]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/13579833/

Rise of the Black Serial Killer Sons of Japheth Publishing
www.sonsofjapheth.com/…f-the-black-serial-killer-2/

Found exclusively on: Google
In RISE OF THE BLACK SERIAL KILLER: Documenting a Startling Trend, Justin Cottrell expels the myth that serial killers in America are predominately white.


38 posted on 04/02/2013 9:23:03 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: South Hawthorne

Don’t forget Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Mao Zedong. Not white guys, but certainly mass murderers.


39 posted on 04/02/2013 9:23:11 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: MrB

The correlation between male blackness and mass murder is stronger than any other link. World wide as well as nationally.


40 posted on 04/02/2013 9:29:13 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: South Hawthorne
You will note that there is no way to comment on the pure-bullship-pretending-to-be-an-editorial.

You will also note there is no way to contact the lying liars who lie (aka, 'authors'.)

They do NOT want to have any rebuttal appearing.

41 posted on 04/02/2013 9:29:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Lazamataz

I did find a ‘contact’ tab at the bottom of the page.


42 posted on 04/02/2013 9:37:27 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: South Hawthorne
Check out the info blurb on them.

Harriet & Charlotte Childress
Harriet and Charlotte are consultants, authors, and college faculty who have researched, written, and spoken about issues related to social and political change for more than two decades. They have presented their work in person to thousands of people through more than fifty seminars or speeches in ten states. Charlotte and Harriet have published two books and eighteen articles.

Collectively, Charlotte and Harriet have:
• Earned eight college degrees, including one Ph.D. and four master's degrees.
• Taught college for forty years: pharmacy, engineering, math, physics, chemistry.
• Received close to a million dollars in grants from the National Science Foundation to research math, science, technology, and engineering education.
• Worked eleven years in R&D and manufacturing in Fortune 500 companies and NASA.

Charlotte and Harriet are identical twins who live near each other in Oregon. They are active in their communities, serving on boards of public and historic parks, schools, and neighborhood and community organizations. They enjoy long walks, camping, commuting by bicycle/walking/bus, organic gardening, cycling, dancing, reading, needlework, backpacking, and cuddling with beloved cats and dogs.

They don't even refer to themselves as seperate creatures, and in fact pool their 'accomplishments' to brag on the 'collective' cachet.

Wow.

These are some very, very broken people. The

43 posted on 04/02/2013 9:38:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: AuntB

The article is talking only of mass or spree killers, not serial killers. Who are not all white males either.


44 posted on 04/02/2013 9:40:51 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: South Hawthorne

And who is the mostly likely group to provide protection to politicians, Hollywood elites, the 1%?


45 posted on 04/02/2013 9:43:42 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: South Hawthorne

And what but lies would one expect from a couple of sexual degenerate lesbian freaks? “CHARLOTTE AND HARRIET CHILDRESS”


46 posted on 04/02/2013 9:43:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: heartwood

Pardon me, I seem to get murderous thugs mixed up....they all look alike to me!


47 posted on 04/02/2013 9:45:50 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: South Hawthorne

I truly can’t tell if it’s legit nutjobbery or April Fools. My gut tells me it’s what the author actually believes cloaked in the “just kidding” caveat of April 1st.

When white males make up 12% of the population yet account for 60% of the violent crime and 45% of welfare spending, call me.


48 posted on 04/02/2013 9:46:44 AM PDT by RobO1125 (Conservatives have a diversity of ideas, not simply colors)
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To: cripplecreek
....I don’t have any problem with accepting that mass shooters tend to be white but they account for such a small number of murders overall that its barely a statistical blip.....

I agree. It seems to me that what the author of this piece perceives is a growing propensity for individuals who have been or probably would be diagnosed somewhere along the Autism spectrum to commit violent, deadly crimes. I would not be surprised to find that white males suffer from autism at a higher rate than members of many other groups. This is a reasonable public health and safety concern.

But the author shows no sign of viewing this as public health matter. Rather, his intent is to promote a series of anti-freedom legislative proposals and engage in some standard faculty lounge Mau-Mauing to deflect attention from the far more serious public safety issues related to underclass violence. In other words, a cheap demagogic debating trick.

The depths to which the quality of debate in this country has declined since the dreadful Sixties is almost beyond comprehension. Our society may be beyond help, I fear.

49 posted on 04/02/2013 9:48:31 AM PDT by irish_links
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To: South Hawthorne

The minorities don’t live long enough to plan any mass murders or go mentally unstable. Minorities kill each other in the gang shootouts first.


50 posted on 04/02/2013 9:48:51 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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