Skip to comments.Senate gay-marriage pool update: Democrat Tom Carper — and Republican Mark Kirk — “evolve” on SSM
Posted on 04/02/2013 10:48:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
And so, after a solid week of me picking Carper every day in the gay-marriage pool as the next Democrat to flip, only to be disappointed every time, he finally flips --- the day after I switch my pick to Bill Nelson.
Congrats to JohnGalt23 for scooping up Carper after I dropped him. See why I don't bother filling out NCAA Tournament brackets anymore?
As our society has changed and evolved, so too has the public’s opinion on gay marriage and so has mine. I pray every day for God to grant me the wisdom to do what is right. Through my prayers and conversations with my family and countless friends and Delawareans, I’ve been reminded of the power of one of my core values: the Golden Rule. It calls on us to treat others as we want to be treated. That means, to me, that all Americans ultimately should be free to marry the people they love and intend to share their lives with, regardless of their sexual orientation, and that’s why today, after a great deal of soul searching, I’m endorsing marriage equality.
This is the first Democratic flip that might be worth taking at face value rather than as a transparent, cynical electoral gambit to stay on the base’s good side. Carper had zero reason to hold out this long unless he was genuinely conflicted about it. The state hasn’t gone red in a presidential election since 1988; the vice president of the United States, who comes from Delaware, is already on record as supporting SSM; and Carper himself won reelection just last year by more than 35 points. He’s in less electoral danger than virtually anyone else in the Senate. He held out, presumably, because he’s part of the 65+ age demographic that’s most resistant to gay marriage, but given the political leanings of his state, he must have been getting the pro-SSM pitch from constituents for years now. They finally wore him down.
Speaking of blue-state Senators finally changing their mind, here’s Mark Kirk of Illinois becoming the second Republican in the caucus after Rob Portman to fully endorse gay marriage.
When I climbed the Capitol steps in January, I promised myself that I would return to the Senate with an open mind and greater respect for others.
Same-sex couples should have the right to civil marriage. Our time on this earth is limited, I know that better than most. Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back– government has no place in the middle.
His statement’s less explicitly religious than Carper’s but they’re similar in how they emphasize love over legalistic arguments about equality. Kirk was one of three Republicans I named in the initial post about Rob Portman as predictable flips on this issue if only because it’d cause a problem for him in his very Democratic home state in the general if he didn’t. (He’d already endorsed civil unions.) Collins and Murkowski were the other two, and although they’re still technically “evolving” they’ll be there soon enough. Kudos to alchemist19 for predicting that Kirk would be the next domino to fall among Senate Republicans.
Let’s make the new round of the pool a little harder. Name the next Democrat and Republican to flip. Collins and Murkowski don’t count; we’ve already declared them to be de facto flippers for pool purposes. I'll stick with Bill Nelson, thereby ensuring that the next Democrat will be anybody but Bill Nelson, and I'll take Kelly Ayotte on the GOP side. Exit question: Now that there are 50 Senators on record as supporting gay marriage, they'll at least try to repeal DOMA next year if the Supreme Court doesn't do it for them, no?
In the last week the media has reported that Carper, Kirk, Portman and Tester have changed their support from being against Gay Marriage, to being for Gay Marriage.
Why is the media not reporting of all the Senators who have changed from being for Gay Marriage to being Against Gay Marriage?
Love has nothing to do with it.
Its not even $$.
Change that and see how little the debate changes. make it so Anyone can claim benefits for anyone for any reason.
See how that doesn’t change the debate: its about forcing all of us to accept and normalize deviant behavior.
Won’t happen for a lot of us. e-ver.
Mark Kirk was toted as the ‘lesser of two evils’ candidate by Pro-gay marriage and GOP Chairman Pat Brady.
RE: In the last week the media has reported that Carper, Kirk, Portman and Tester have changed their support from being against Gay Marriage, to being for Gay Marriage.
Alaska’s Lisa Murkowski and Maine’s Susan Collins won’t give any indicators yet, but I think they will be the next dominoes to fall.
I forgot about Murkowski.
They are adding up fast and there are only 45 GOP Senators.
What’s so stupid about these “changes for political expedience” is that they won’t be loved any more than they were before by the Gaystapo. They will just be used as tools and then discarded, like a bath house john.
“As our society has changed and evolved, so too has the publics opinion on gay marriage”
So, we should “evolve” and accept the premise set by evolotionists that a gene that CAN NOT procreate has somehow survived thousands of years of evolution.
Uhhhh...yep, makes sense.
I guess when you’re “evolving” to the PC position, it is not considered flip flopping.
The word “evolved” has taken over for what used to be called “Flip Flop”.
I expect any politician who lies in order to be elected to conveniently use the word “evolve” from now on.
This is what Obama has wrought.
They are evolving themselves and others straight into the pit of Hell.
There won't be even THAT many if they make the social conservatives/evangelicals stay home.....
No. You are wrong. This is a much bigger movement of the Postmodernists to erase God and all Traditions from Western Civilization-—to make human beings into a “hammered” perfect cog in the wheel. It is to kill the concept of Judeo-Christian religion, so State is God.
It is Communism—to destroy the family unit (you destroy the emotional health of children if they do not have both sexes to model human interaction—you get warped reality which is extremely sexist if you erase a sex from the formation of worldview in young children)-—you have to destroy the concept of the Natural Family-—the idea of a mother and father which is so ingrained in our society. What Communism has done—is create No Fault divorce (2% of children were born out of wedlock prior to no fault) -—now we have dysfunctional “marriages” which are being decimated through laws and conditioning of children (families come in all shapes-—take Pride in sodomy)
and you get the Marxist “dream” of total control of books where the term “partner” is the only allowed term-—which had a decade of brainwashing kids into thinking the terms wife and husband are evil.
Control language-—words-—destroy the meaning of marriage -—and you can warp any child into believing Snow is Black as Wundt claimed in the 1800’s with operant conditioning which is in all curricula since the 70’s.
This warping of reality will make Marxism possible, the “Big Lie” believed—since children will not be able to use Reason-—normal formation was denied without the Natural Family-—Up will be Down, Evil will be Good, women and men become interchangeable (radical egalitarianism)—and understanding of Nature is impossible with these fundamental lies being ingrained in small children and normalized.
Their whole reality will be severely warped like the little Afghanistan boys in harems. Totalitarianism becomes a given.
Who are they?