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Marine who served in Iraq ticketed for flying American flag
KRMG via WPXI ^ | Posted: 4:35 p.m. Friday, March 29, 2013 | Rick Couri

Posted on 04/02/2013 12:05:39 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Gregory Schaffer said after his tour of duty in the Marines he wanted to go home and fly a flag in his yard.

But a complaint from an anonymous neighbor got Schaffer in some hot water.

Schaffer got a citation from the city of Hypoluxo, Florida that said he needed a building permit to put up the flagpole.

The Marine told a TV station “it’s sad. It’s sad that we have to go through that just to fly a flag.”

Schaffer added “It’s disgusting that anybody should have to go through that. I fought for the flag, now I’m paying for the flag,” Because Schaffer rents the house he would have to pay a contractor nearly $1,000 to put in a flagpole.

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KEYWORDS: flag; iraq; marine; oldglory
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1 posted on 04/02/2013 12:05:39 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This was handled the wrong way by the city and they should cut this guy a break but if you need a permit to put up a flag poll, then you need to get the permit.


3 posted on 04/02/2013 12:08:31 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Send the city a copy of your DD-214 and tell them:

“THIS is my ‘building permit’!”
“What have YOU done to earn your Freedom?”


4 posted on 04/02/2013 12:10:31 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

> “What have YOU done to earn your Freedom?”

The bureaucrats are too busy taking away your freedom. They have no time to fight for it.


5 posted on 04/02/2013 12:12:03 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: G Larry

This is MY building permit, let me see YOUR legislation permit.


7 posted on 04/02/2013 12:14:26 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Ignoring local regulations and then crying “persecution just because I am patriotic” is really no different than what the liberal whiners do.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 12:15:00 PM PDT by rhoda_penmark
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

His neighbor is a “Progressive.” Just a guess.


10 posted on 04/02/2013 12:16:02 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

...building permits for flag poles.. Blegh, I can even vaguely understand the reason why there’d be a requirement, if it wasn’t anchored correctly, you’re sticking a missile in your front yard come the next hurricane.


11 posted on 04/02/2013 12:16:04 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Because Schaffer rents the house he would have to pay a contractor nearly $1,000 to put in a flagpole.

Gotta be more to this story.

What, he wanted to fly a flag on the house and the city said he had to install a flag pole?
He had already put up a flagpole and failed to get a permit for it?
Sucky reporting (by the station) when one is left with questions - and the source had nothing more.

12 posted on 04/02/2013 12:17:21 PM PDT by grobdriver
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

A “building permit” to put up a flagpole. ROTFLMAO!!! What do you need if you want to put a shed in your backyard? A grazing permit? What a bunch of low tier public servant buffoons.


13 posted on 04/02/2013 12:18:30 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The city is simply trying to protect itself from a Equal Protection violation.

If they let the Marine put up an American flag without a permit, they could not stop a Mexican or Iranian put of a their nation’s flag.


14 posted on 04/02/2013 12:23:01 PM PDT by OKRA2012
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; All
florida has a specific US flag display exemption law. It depends on the length of the flagpole etc.: 720.304 Right of owners to peaceably assemble; display of flag; SLAPP suits prohibited.— (1) All common areas and recreational facilities serving any homeowners’ association shall be available to parcel owners in the homeowners’ association served thereby and their invited guests for the use intended for such common areas and recreational facilities. The entity or entities responsible for the operation of the common areas and recreational facilities may adopt reasonable rules and regulations pertaining to the use of such common areas and recreational facilities. No entity or entities shall unreasonably restrict any parcel owner’s right to peaceably assemble or right to invite public officers or candidates for public office to appear and speak in common areas and recreational facilities. (2)(a) Any homeowner may display one portable, removable United States flag or official flag of the State of Florida in a respectful manner, and one portable, removable official flag, in a respectful manner, not larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet, which represents the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard, or a POW-MIA flag, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association. (b) Any homeowner may erect a freestanding flagpole no more than 20 feet high on any portion of the homeowner’s real property, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association, if the flagpole does not obstruct sightlines at intersections and is not erected within or upon an easement. The homeowner may further display in a respectful manner from that flagpole, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association, one official United States flag, not larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet, and may additionally display one official flag of the State of Florida or the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or Coast Guard, or a POW-MIA flag. Such additional flag must be equal in size to or smaller than the United States flag. The flagpole and display are subject to all building codes, zoning setbacks, and other applicable governmental regulations, including, but not limited to, noise and lighting ordinances in the county or municipality in which the flagpole is erected and all setback and locational criteria contained in the governing documents. (c) This subsection applies to all community development districts and homeowners’ associations, regardless of whether such homeowners’ associations are authorized to impose assessments that may become a lien on the parcel. (3) Any owner prevented from exercising rights guaranteed by subsection (1) or subsection (2) may bring an action in the appropriate court of the county in which the alleged infringement occurred, and, upon favorable adjudication, the court shall enjoin the enforcement of any provision contained in any homeowners’ association document or rule that operates to deprive the owner of such rights.
15 posted on 04/02/2013 12:26:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; All
florida has a specific US flag display exemption law. It depends on the length of the flagpole etc.:


720.304 Right of owners to peaceably assemble; display of flag; SLAPP suits prohibited.—
(1) All common areas and recreational facilities serving any homeowners’ association shall be available to parcel owners in the homeowners’ association served thereby and their invited guests for the use intended for such common areas and recreational facilities. The entity or entities responsible for the operation of the common areas and recreational facilities may adopt reasonable rules and regulations pertaining to the use of such common areas and recreational facilities. No entity or entities shall unreasonably restrict any parcel owner’s right to peaceably assemble or right to invite public officers or candidates for public office to appear and speak in common areas and recreational facilities.

(2)(a) Any homeowner may display one portable, removable United States flag or official flag of the State of Florida in a respectful manner, and one portable, removable official flag, in a respectful manner, not larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet, which represents the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard, or a POW-MIA flag, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association.

(b) Any homeowner may erect a freestanding flagpole no more than 20 feet high on any portion of the homeowner’s real property, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association, if the flagpole does not obstruct sightlines at intersections and is not erected within or upon an easement. The homeowner may further display in a respectful manner from that flagpole, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association, one official United States flag, not larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet, and may additionally display one official flag of the State of Florida or the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or Coast Guard, or a POW-MIA flag. Such additional flag must be equal in size to or smaller than the United States flag. The flagpole and display are subject to all building codes, zoning setbacks, and other applicable governmental regulations, including, but not limited to, noise and lighting ordinances in the county or municipality in which the flagpole is erected and all setback and locational criteria contained in the governing documents.

(c) This subsection applies to all community development districts and homeowners’ associations, regardless of whether such homeowners’ associations are authorized to impose assessments that may become a lien on the parcel.

(3) Any owner prevented from exercising rights guaranteed by subsection (1) or subsection (2) may bring an action in the appropriate court of the county in which the alleged infringement occurred, and, upon favorable adjudication, the court shall enjoin the enforcement of any provision contained in any homeowners’ association document or rule that operates to deprive the owner of such rights.....

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16 posted on 04/02/2013 12:28:33 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: OKRA2012

florida law has specific statewide laws on this.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 12:29:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

A permit.

This is why I do not live in the city.

A permit. To dig a hole and stick a pole in it, you must have a permit.

...and the do-goody neighbor is nosey and needs to tend to his own business.


18 posted on 04/02/2013 12:29:36 PM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: OKRA2012
If they let the Marine put up an American flag without a permit, they could not stop a Mexican or Iranian put of a their nation’s flag.

I have a friend who paid a fortune for a house right on the beach. A rich Wall Street trader bought the land next to my friend's house and built his own house. Apparently the trader was Italian and proud of it because he installed eight large flag polls around the house and flew Italian flags from each one of them. I thought about teasing my friend about it the last time I went to his beach house but my friend is so horrified that I don't think he'd take the teasing well.

19 posted on 04/02/2013 12:29:51 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This isn’t about the flag, it’s about the flagpole


20 posted on 04/02/2013 12:32:33 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: G Larry

Odds are, they have DD-214s also


21 posted on 04/02/2013 12:33:34 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; windcliff

I would ask the owner of the house for permission to paint the outside as an American Flag. It would probably annoy the neighbor more.


22 posted on 04/02/2013 12:35:29 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Maybe he was supposed to fly the Obama logo instead?


23 posted on 04/02/2013 12:35:42 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

horrified???


24 posted on 04/02/2013 12:35:46 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: OKRA2012

What would we do without your sobriety....


25 posted on 04/02/2013 12:38:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: longtermmemmory

“florida law has specific statewide laws on this.”

And if challenged in court, the state law that only protects the lying of a US, Florida or Armed Services flag would be overturned.

First Amendment

Sixth Amendment

Fourteenth Amendment


26 posted on 04/02/2013 12:38:57 PM PDT by OKRA2012
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To: OKRA2012

He didn’t say “kill him” - just shoot him!


27 posted on 04/02/2013 12:40:05 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Wow it’s a good thing the japs on iwo didn’t ask for the building permit. F the neighbor and F the town. I am sending this Marine one of our famous suction pup marine corps mascot dog.


28 posted on 04/02/2013 12:41:22 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
but if you need a permit to put up a flag poll,

It's spelled pole and if you need a permit, there is too much government in your life and neighborhood.

/johnny

29 posted on 04/02/2013 12:43:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I emailed the Mayor and his councilmen politely shaming them.

Guess we will see if they “fix” this.


30 posted on 04/02/2013 12:45:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: OKRA2012

not an issue here.

this is an american flag.

the only issue is whether or not the pole is longer than 20 feet.


32 posted on 04/02/2013 12:47:34 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: envisio

A permit. To dig a hole and stick a pole in it, you must have a permit.

In Florida with all those hurricanes, you betcha. This is a law that is intended to save your house from getting hit by a flying pole if the job is not done correctly. You most likely need to have a county inspector check it out too before they sign off on it. Yes laws are a pain but it is important in a state like Florida.


33 posted on 04/02/2013 12:48:49 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rhoda_penmark
Ignoring local regulations

Is what made America great. I despise liberal yankee get-along-to-go-along so-called conservatives.

/johnny

34 posted on 04/02/2013 12:51:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kingu

You are right. After every hurricane I read about all of the people killed by flying flagpoles.

Those thing are dangerous.

Cut me a break here Brother. Any time an American, veteran cannot place a flagpole in his yard and fly the flag of America,that part where he lives is no longer the America I want to live in.

Whoever turned him in is a POS of the highest order.


35 posted on 04/02/2013 12:51:53 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

$1,000 for a flagpole? How large is it? Should not cost that much.


36 posted on 04/02/2013 12:52:56 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Even in California it is illegal for a homeowners association to ban the American flag.


37 posted on 04/02/2013 12:54:19 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: napscoordinator
Horsecrap. Most of the zoning laws are for generating revenue.

I live in tornado alley. NOTHING is going to stop high winds from putting a tree that God grew through my house if that's what happens. Forget flagpoles.

I despise yankee liberal wanna-be conservatives that bend over backwards to support local tyrany.

/johnny

38 posted on 04/02/2013 12:55:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

$1,000 for a flagpole? Why? Should not cost that much.


39 posted on 04/02/2013 12:59:29 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: JRandomFreeper

And I hate people who only provide hot air on nothing.


40 posted on 04/02/2013 1:01:35 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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41 posted on 04/02/2013 1:03:44 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: napscoordinator
There is a time to tell local government to SOD OFF. This is one of them. They aren't anything more than jumped up protection rackets, anyway.

And everyone here on FR defending the 'rules and regulations' are yankees from what I see, mostly from the northeast. You know, that crowd that supported Romney and got us 4 more years of Obama.

/johnny

42 posted on 04/02/2013 1:05:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You call yourself a conservative and then applaud the government INTRUSION on a town that REQUIRED all of their citizens to have guns. Talk about a wanabe conservative. That is you 100 percent.


43 posted on 04/02/2013 1:05:43 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: stuartcr

Exactly. Complaining about intrusive permit requirements is fair game, but the local authorities aren’t telling him he can’t fly the American flag, they just want to get paid before he can do it. In my city you can’t technically change the cover plate on an electrical outlet without a permit.


44 posted on 04/02/2013 1:07:22 PM PDT by cbvanb
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sorry but I don’t agree. This is really not a big deal especially if you live in a Home Owners Association. The Marine moved there. Nobody forced him to live there. I don’t see what the big deal is. Their are the flags that people put in their doorway which are much better anyway. You can see them driving. A flagpole most people won’t even see because it is too high up especially in a neighborhood. Now I see a HUGE American Flag on the highway that a car dealership puts up. Now that is very realistic since tons of cars pass through.


45 posted on 04/02/2013 1:08:16 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
In Florida with all those hurricanes, you betcha. This is a law that is intended to save your house from getting hit by a flying pole if the job is not done correctly.

Do they have laws in Florida that require you to anchor your Prius to prevent it from floating away when Hurricane Beezelbub makes land?

I'm guessing you own a Prius.

46 posted on 04/02/2013 1:11:36 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: OKRA2012

this has been litigated in FL.

Associations and municipalities have had to back down.

BTW canadian flags were not protected.


47 posted on 04/02/2013 1:11:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: napscoordinator
You call yourself a conservative and then applaud the government INTRUSION on a town that REQUIRED all of their citizens to have guns.

I did not ever applaud government intrusion anywhere, and you defame me by saying that I did.

Governments are tarted up protection rackets, exchanging money for favors, and if you don't play, you get whacked.

/johnny

48 posted on 04/02/2013 1:19:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I’m guessing you own a Prius.

Of course. I also have complete solar panels on my roof. I grow my own vegetables and NEVER go to the grocery stores. I only drive when I have 10 stops to make usually about every six months. I make my own toothpaste and other items so I don’t have to purchase things in stores. I use my toilet water and feces to use as fertilizer. Any more wile guesses?????


49 posted on 04/02/2013 1:19:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rhoda_penmark
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Why not? I think in some cases it's a rather good excuse.

50 posted on 04/02/2013 1:21:56 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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