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The high price of ‘Frankenol’ - Filling up with corn juice is a drain on the wallet
Washington Times ^ | April 2, 2013 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 04/02/2013 10:46:47 PM PDT by neverdem

The word “gasoline” no longer characterizes the stuff we put into our cars. Owing to regulations forced on the refining industry, “Frankenol” might be more accurate.

This government-engineered, market-distorting fuel is a blend of 90 percent gasoline and 10 percent ethanol (E10). Originally conceived to breathe life into the fledgling U.S. ethanol industry and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, continued tinkering with the renewable fuel standard (RFS) has turned the program into a nightmare.

The RFS requires refiners to blend increasing amounts of ethanol into the nation’s fuel pool annually. Last year, they were responsible for blending a minimum of 13.2 billion gallons. This year, the figure stands at 13.8 billion gallons. By 2022, the RFS mandate will require 36 billion gallons.

To document compliance, refiners track the RINs (renewable identification numbers) applied to every gallon of ethanol purchased, or they buy paper RINs, which are credits paid to ethanol producers. In either case, refiners have to spend real money to comply with the law.

In creating the RFS program, the government assumed that gasoline demand would continue to rise. It was wrong.

With more fuel-efficient vehicles, a lackluster economy and higher prices at the pump, gasoline demand has declined to the lowest level in 18 years.

As a result, refiners are stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place: They have had to reduce fuel production because demand is down, yet they have to comply with the increasing ethanol mandate. This means they are buying more ethanol credits in the form of RINs but purchasing fewer gallons of ethanol. As a result, millions of gallons of corn-based ethanol are sitting in storage tanks, while the price of RINs has climbed 20-fold in the past 90 days. Industry analyst Byron King says the RIN credit gimmick has...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: energy; ethanol; frankenol; gasoline; rfs

1 posted on 04/02/2013 10:46:49 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
A bit of perspective on the corn ethanol debacle...

George Bush has a Rendezvous with Density
2 posted on 04/02/2013 11:00:27 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem
govt awards winners and punishes losers....you play their game, give them donations, you are a winner......

crony capitalism....

never expect any govt policy to be for the good of the people....all their policies are directed at enriching their friends...

3 posted on 04/02/2013 11:02:58 PM PDT by cherry
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To: neverdem

Frankenfuel sounds better. Even Frankengas.


4 posted on 04/03/2013 12:02:18 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

Ethanol decreases mileage 12%. That is a NASCAR number when they were forced to use it.


5 posted on 04/03/2013 12:19:36 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (Forget Mexico. Put the border fence around California.)
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6 posted on 04/03/2013 12:29:06 AM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: SpaceBar

Thanks for the link. It was an accurate portrayal of the disappointment of GWB. The consolation prize was that either Gore or Kerry would have been worse.


7 posted on 04/03/2013 12:40:19 AM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: hadaclueonce

It’s also hell on the guts of a Harley.

>:-[


8 posted on 04/03/2013 1:55:15 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Stupid question time.

If you bought 5 gallons of the crap and let it sit in an open gas can for x amount of time, would the alcohol evaporate out leaving only real gas?


9 posted on 04/03/2013 1:57:15 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: hadaclueonce

On top of that, some of us lucky people get the winter blend of gas, good for another 10% loss in mileage.

Oh, well, just pump up your tires some more.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 2:11:34 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: neverdem
Last summer, the large car I drive magically got 2 to 4 mpg better and ran like stink... My pet theory? The fuel provider must have sent out a load without Ethanol in it.

Lately I am luck to see 18 mpg and my lawnmower runs like crap.

I am going to try to snag some marine or av-gas for the lawn-mower, it barely wants to start.

I am so sick of this insanity and no one in Washington will stand up to the Ethanol-Corn Lobby and tell them to shove it, and that their whole existance and pardigm is a canard.

11 posted on 04/03/2013 2:12:35 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: taildragger

www.pure-gas.org


12 posted on 04/03/2013 3:02:03 AM PDT by DaveArk
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To: Fresh Wind

The saddest joke of all is the corn producing states Iowa and Illinois, the ones who love the price of corn being high, can buy non ethanol gasoline to burn in the yard equipment.

Not Texas. They claim the only thing they can get is ethanol blend.


13 posted on 04/03/2013 3:14:59 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (Forget Mexico. Put the border fence around California.)
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To: taildragger
The fuel provider must have sent out a load without Ethanol in it.

Ethanol free is available out in farm country...

Find YOUR state at the bottom of the page!


http://pure-gas.org/

14 posted on 04/03/2013 3:39:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salamander
It’s also hell on the guts of a Harley.

...and lawnmowers, weedeaters, trimmers, and any other small engine.

15 posted on 04/03/2013 3:39:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yup.

Ruins every o ring and gasket.

Save Gaia, screw your machinery.

Jerks.


16 posted on 04/03/2013 4:03:47 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: neverdem
Thar's GOLLLLLD in them thar fields - Quick, mortgage the farm to get in on the deal, Klem!





Sometimes just quietly listening to the cafe chatter when visiting the wife's farm family can be very interesting.
17 posted on 04/03/2013 4:31:27 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: neverdem; All

If you really want to get into a very good article and responses,

http://www.buildingspeed.org/blog/2010/10/nascar-and-e15-the-scientific-facts/

And this doesn’t even scratch the surface on what they have done to diesel.


18 posted on 04/03/2013 4:31:56 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: DaveArk

Thanks for that link. Bookmarked. The station closest to me has an update that they no longer sell it...but there’s others around that do.

I can remember the days of Sunoco 260. You could store that in a can for 2 years and still start right up.


19 posted on 04/03/2013 4:43:34 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Salamander
If you bought 5 gallons of the crap and let it sit in an open gas can for x amount of time, would the alcohol evaporate out leaving only real gas?

You would faster loose a lot of the important lights from the gasoline. While some alcohol would evaporate, some would help to absorb water out of the atmosphere.

You fuel would be worse not better after a few days.

20 posted on 04/03/2013 6:04:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Salamander
faster loose lose a lot

sigh...

spell correct doesn't fix stupid

21 posted on 04/03/2013 6:08:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Timber Rattler

Corn is for eating not to be burned in an engine and it ruins every thing we all depend upon for chores. Insane!


22 posted on 04/03/2013 6:26:02 AM PDT by tiger63
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To: thackney

LOL!

I found the answer and it’s worse than the question.

It involves adding water to the gas in a complicated storage container with a bottom mounted drain and agitating the whole mess repeatedly until the water and alcohol settle to the bottom and then draining that off.

There’s an optional additional step involving some kind of additive that causes what’s left to clump into goo that you fish out.

The heck with all *that*.

;D


23 posted on 04/03/2013 7:08:42 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Salamander
While this won't restore lost MPG, it does help some of the other problems.

http://www.goldeagle.com/products/10_oz_ethanol.aspx

24 posted on 04/03/2013 7:12:40 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanks!

Will tell hubby!


25 posted on 04/03/2013 7:23:05 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Salamander

No but it does break down, open air or in your tank. Over time the ethanol breaks down and separates and that’s when you start getting water building up in your tank. It will pull in moisture from the air and make water. Which is why they can’t transfer in a pipeline.


26 posted on 04/03/2013 9:53:14 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem
an accurate portrayal of the disappointment of GWB...

Thanks. There is a great deal of selective amnesia right here, regarding what terrible president GWB really was. For those who don't fear the truth, see the link in post #1, otherwise wallow in your myths just like Obama followers do now.
27 posted on 04/03/2013 10:15:44 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Secret Agent Man

That was a concern utilizing older pipelines that likely had water separate out the petroleum mix and accumulate in low points. Proper maintenance (sweeping with scrapper pigs, etc) has minimized that concern.

New pipelines dedicated to ethanol from the start don’t have that issue.

Kinder Morgan completes ethanol pipeline between New Jersey and New York
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2012/04/04/kinder-morgan-completes-ethanol-pipeline-between-new-jersey-and-new-york/
April 4, 2012

An Ethanol Pipeline Begins Service
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/an-ethanol-pipeline-begins-service/
December 10, 2008


28 posted on 04/03/2013 12:22:45 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: hadaclueonce

Head over to your local airport.
None of the avgas has alky.

100LL might be a bit hard on the cat conv on your car, but your OPE will love it.


29 posted on 04/03/2013 12:26:19 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Coincidentally, we almost lost our Yukon to the stuff recently.

We’ve been using the Taurus to save gas for months and the Yuke had lots of “mystery water” in the tank which froze up and caused all kinds of trouble.

It’s better, now but this explains where all that water came from.


30 posted on 04/03/2013 2:21:40 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Salamander

It’s not just the ethanol, but if the tank isn’t full, there’s always condensation in the inside of the tank that forms, so that’s a second source of water right there. That’s one that can be avoided by a full tank though.


31 posted on 04/03/2013 2:54:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Salamander

You can always put some de-icer in the tank, and also sta-bil into the tank if its going to be sitting awhile.


32 posted on 04/03/2013 2:56:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It was totally full when it stopped running.

Luckily, Himself is a motorhead and after ripping everything apart, he found the water issue.

Lots of gas treatment got poured in and after he got the gas lines thawed out, it ran again.

[I keep telling him to *not* keep buying the ‘great deal’ gas at the VA state line truck stop]


33 posted on 04/03/2013 4:52:24 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Salamander

then it probably took years to build up that much.


34 posted on 04/03/2013 5:05:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Beats me.

He’s been buying gas there for years so maybe.

I’m just glad it’s running again.


35 posted on 04/03/2013 5:10:31 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Salamander

yeah, it’s good to be able to fix that. not many people know how to safely mess with the fuel system.


36 posted on 04/03/2013 5:12:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

He’s built and run his own drag bikes and cars for longer than I’ve been alive.

When summer comes and he starts obsessively ‘fine tuning’ the fuel injection computer program on my bike, I wish he didn’t know ~anything~ so I could just ride in peace...LOL


37 posted on 04/03/2013 5:27:50 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Salamander

:-)


38 posted on 04/03/2013 5:32:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 04/03/2013 8:45:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hadaclueonce

Ethanol decreases mileage 12%. That is a NASCAR number when they were forced to use it.”””

As a life-long bookkeeper, I have kept track of mileage in every vehicle I owned as an adult.

When the Ethanol was mandated, EVERY vehicle I had then or have had since went down a MINIMUM of 10%. Therefore, I am burning more fuel, which causes more pollution.

Same thing with paint decreed by the enviros.

When I was a kid, almost every major paint brand advertised that the product they made was good as exterior paint for 20 years. I particularly remember Dutch Boy brand of paint.

Now-—no such advertising, and the life of paint is 3-4 years at best.

Heres some calculations:

Let’s say that a gallon of old style paint had 1000 hydrocarbons released when it was used......(numbers for calculation purposes only)

That paint would last 18 to 20 years on your house exterior.

Say the current paint only releases 700 units of hydrocarbons.

Enviros will crow to the moon that they are saving the planet!!!

But—the paint doesn’t last as long.

IF I have to repaint every 5 years, I am doing 5 cycles of paint in 20 years. The first time I paint is the zero year, then 5 years, another 5 years, etc. That is 5 times I have painted.

The old paint would put the zero year & the 20th year into play, for a total of 2000 hydrocarbon units.

The new paint takes 5 cycles of paint times 700 units of hydrocarbons, for a total of 3500 units of hydrocarbons.

All these calculations do not include extra repairs & maintenance due to failing paint quality.

For all of you who have had to paint & repaint over and over again, thank an enviro.

Also-— I could buy good paint in the 60’s & 70’s for around $6 a gallon. Now—plan on paying very close to $30 a gallon. For paint that lasts a far shorter time!!!!!


40 posted on 04/04/2013 9:43:25 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

You’re right about paint.

Idiot libs killed off the use of a lot of good stuff.

Asbestos and lead are definitely both on that list.

They didn’t have enough brains to discriminate between smart and stupid uses of them.


41 posted on 04/04/2013 9:50:02 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: ridesthemiles

“Louie, welcome back to the fight.”

This time it is not the Germans but something more foul. The corn Lobby.


42 posted on 04/04/2013 12:28:56 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (Forget Mexico. Put the border fence around California.)
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