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Let's Save Forrest Park, Confederate Park and Jefferson Davis Park in Memphis
Canada Free Press ^ | April 3, 2013 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 04/03/2013 3:25:29 PM PDT by BigReb555

Did you know that three Memphis, Tennessee parks named for our great Southern leaders Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest-Forrest Park, Confederate President Jefferson Davis-Jefferson Davis Park and Confederate Park were changed?

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KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; confederateamerican; csa; dixie; forrest; memphis; nbforrest; south
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Why do some still continue to try to change the South?

Did you know that three Memphis, Tennessee parks named for our great Southern leaders Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest-Forrest Park, Confederate President Jefferson Davis-Jefferson Davis Park and Confederate Park were changed? At Monday night’s meeting the people spoke out loud and clear to return the parks to their Confederate names.

http://wreg.com/2013/04/02/majority-at-metting-say-returns-parks-to-confederate-names/

Are they listening?

Some, today, even seek to ban the Confederate Battle flag, the blood-stained soldier’s banner of many hard fought battles, from Veterans Day events and the soldier’s memorial monument at South Carolina’s State Capitol. There is also a push to ban the Confederate flag at all NASCAR races.

Some groups claim the Southern flag is offensive to Black people.

But, what do they say to Black folks who call the Confederate flag a symbol of Southern Pride like Nelson Winbush of Florida who is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans—www.scv.org? Mr. Winbush speaks honestly and from the heart about the War for Southern Independence, 1861-65, and of his grandfather who fought for the South. He may even ‘proudly’ show you a picture of himself, as a child, with his Grandfather, Louis Napoleon Nelson, who rode with Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest in Company M of the 7th Tennessee Cavalry and was buried with his Confederate uniform and Confederate flag draped casket.

Gen. Forrest said of the Black men who rode with him, “These boys stayed with me ... and better Confederates did not live.”

You might also ask Black Southern-Historian H.K. Edgerton who marched across Dixie from North Carolina to Texas attired in Confederate uniform, carrying the Confederate flag and educating many Black and White people along the way about their Southern Heritage. Edgerton is also past president of the local NAACP Chapter in Asheville, North Carolina.

Was Gen. Forrest an early advocate for Civil Rights?

Forrest’s speech during a meeting of the “Jubilee of Pole Bearers” is a story that needs to be told. Gen. Forrest was the first white man to be invited by this group which was a forerunner of today’s Civil Rights group. A reporter of the Memphis Avalanche newspaper was sent to cover the event.

Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of a Pole Bearer member, was introduced to Forrest and she presented the former general a bouquet of flowers as a token of reconciliation, peace and good will. On July 5, 1875, Nathan Bedford Forrest delivered this speech.

“Ladies and Gentlemen, I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the Southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God’s earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man, to depress none. (Applause.)

I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us.

When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand.” (Prolonged applause.) End of speech.

Nathan Bedford Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis, Tennessee.

Some people have claimed that Forrest was associated with the Ku Klux Klan but he officially denied participation. He encouraged the friendly reunion of North and South and the remembrance of both the Confederate and Union Dead.

April is Confederate History and Heritage Month. Read more on face book at: https://www.facebook.com/ConfederateHeritageMonth

Lest We Forget!

1 posted on 04/03/2013 3:25:29 PM PDT by BigReb555
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To: BigReb555

Not a deal the Heritage of the nation is of no concern
it will all be History Post Obummer Minority rules and really do not give a crap!
The sout has been inflitrated with doogoders as well as the Nation!
George Washington is just a figure of your imagination and the Revolution never occured! Paul Revere was gay! And the one eyed guy in the famous depiction of the parade with the fife and the drummer was self inflicted! This is the new America! The heros of late are Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakan! bottom line is “We don’t need no American History Obummer is AD 2008!”
The Boy King is back in Da house! All history started then!
“So it is written It shall be done!”


2 posted on 04/03/2013 3:37:04 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: BigReb555

Yes, you are right. Slaves were treated so well in the South I don’t know what the fuss was all about.


3 posted on 04/03/2013 3:37:48 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: BigReb555

I’m a New Yorker and my family came to these shores around 1900 so I have no ax to grind.

I feel a kinship toward those who defended their states during the war
As far as the KKK if I am not mistaken their were at least 3 POTUSs of both parties who were KKK members in the 20th century.

Respect for those who fought that war on both sides must be observed. It is our history and our forebears should be respected.


4 posted on 04/03/2013 3:39:04 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Conserev1

Leave it toi a southerner to mispell SOUTH! LOL


5 posted on 04/03/2013 3:39:14 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Conserev1

Let me guess...they renamed them Obama Park, Baraq Obama Park and B.H. Obama Park


6 posted on 04/03/2013 3:41:17 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: BigReb555
Here's one in Michigan for Kentuckians to be proud of.

The Battle of the River Raisin

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"Michigan's Tribute to Kentucky.

This monument is dedicated to the memory of the heroes who lost their lives in our country's defense in the battle and massacre of the River Raisin, January 22nd and 23rd, 1813"

"Erected by the State of Michigan 1904"


An interesting civil War connection is the fact that George Armstrong Custer brought Battle survivors together for a reunion sometime between the end of the civil war and his ill fated trip west.

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7 posted on 04/03/2013 3:46:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Vaquero

Name them.


8 posted on 04/03/2013 3:50:41 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.)
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To: Vaquero

Name them.


9 posted on 04/03/2013 3:51:10 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.)
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To: BigReb555

“Nathan Bedford Forrest...showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis, Tennessee.”

Question, if Forrest loved black folks so much like you say, why did he join the KKK (and was possibly a Grand Wizard, though there is dispute on that)?

Doesn’t seem to make sense.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 3:58:55 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: Conserev1
Leave it toi a southerner to mispell SOUTH! LOL

not to be critical, but you misspelled to and misspell!!

11 posted on 04/03/2013 4:06:03 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: BigReb555

I was born in Memphis in 1944, and quite close to Forest Park. (Methodist hospital)
For over 50 years I was in, or close to Memphis, but left the country in 2000.

Memphis was a fine city prior to the 80s, as it was the nations quietest and cleanest city in the country and had a b/w ration of 40/60.
It also had light, gas, and water departments under one roof, and as well run as any utility system in the country.
Memphis also had the number one fire department in the US, and was home to the national fire fighter’s convention every year.
After the blacks went to 60 percent over 40 percent white, the city went down the tubes.

I understand that the utilities were split up and sold to companies outside of the state.

Memphis is now “gone with the wind”, and I have left the new USSA for good.
Maybe they should change the name to Obamaville.


12 posted on 04/03/2013 4:09:11 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Owl558

Forrest denied any association with the KKK.


13 posted on 04/03/2013 4:14:58 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: BigReb555

Of course, you realize that they ALL took up arms against the government of the United States and by ANY definition of the term they qualify as traitors. Why should any public park be dedicated to traitors? I bet you wouldn’t be crying “foul” if someone wanted to change the name of a park entitled : “Rosenberg Park” or “Alger Hiss Park”. The confederacy died 148 years ago. Let it remain dead and let the history books merely state that the “seccesh” lost. They took up arms against the government of the United States and LOST !


14 posted on 04/03/2013 4:26:30 PM PDT by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: GilesB

Denial is one thing.... facts is another. Fact: Nathan Bedford Forrest was a founder of the Ku Klux Klan and was responsible for the Fort Pillow massacre.


15 posted on 04/03/2013 4:30:05 PM PDT by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: BigReb555
If you want these parks to be named for historical figures that are important to you, then you should live where the parks are.

If lovers of the Confederacy are not the local homeowners and voters in these districts, they don't have much reason to complain about what the locals want to name these parks.

You can't abandon neighborhoods in droves and expect those neighborhoods to remain as if you never decided to leave.

16 posted on 04/03/2013 4:30:12 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: BigReb555

Southern cities are becoming as, um, “urban” as northern cities. Look how corrupt urban citizens ruined the finances of Birmingham. Atlanta is fast becoming Chicago South.


17 posted on 04/03/2013 4:46:54 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: johnd201

Well then, was it a fact that he was invited to speak in Memphis, that he spoke those words, and was honored by the black citizens of the city?


18 posted on 04/03/2013 4:58:29 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: GilesB

“Forrest denied any association with the KKK.”

And other people have absolutely confirmed it.

Do you really think that someone involved with terrorizing and murdering people would admit it??? Prisons are full of people who deny committing crimes. Do you think they are all innocent? Of course General Forrest denied it, silly.

Southern heritage is a beautiful thing and most of our Confederate brothers are worthy of honor under their banners and flags, but let’s not delude ourselves. Next you’ll be telling me that blacks LOVED slavery because a few hundred slaves served the Confederacy in exchange for freedom.


19 posted on 04/03/2013 5:02:19 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: johnd201

Why were they named for Southern leaders in the first place? How often do the losers in a war get to name stuff in honor of their leaders? Is there a Tojo Park in Tokyo? A King George III Park in Washington, DC?


20 posted on 04/03/2013 5:03:40 PM PDT by Glenmore
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To: BigReb555

Good luck my man

If the blue state jackals aren’t here already they soon will be


21 posted on 04/03/2013 5:04:12 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: johnd201
Would you consider the patriots of the Revolutionary War traitors?

As the Confederates saw it, they seceded BEFORE they took up arms. In your words you acknowledge the secession: ' state that the “seccesh” lost.' That being the case, they were a separate nation, and therefor enemy combatants, not traitors. So which is it, were they secessionists, or traitors? (Because it's one or the other)

That's pretty much the way Lincoln viewed it.

22 posted on 04/03/2013 5:04:58 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Owl558
Don't you DARE to presume what I will be telling you next, you pompous ass!

I merely referenced the article, and what it said; that does not give you license to publicly slather me with your slimy babble. Do you take your debating instruction from Chris “Spraymouth” Matthews?

23 posted on 04/03/2013 5:14:35 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Glenmore

Tojo is to Tokyo as King George III is to London, not Washington D.C..

There are at least two statues of King George III in London and another in Weymouth. He was much loved in England.

There is a Tojo Memorial Gardens in Rochester, NY (But it is in memory of Yasuji Tojo, a photography student at Rochester Institute of Technology) But there IS an Emperor Hirohito Memorial Museum in Tokyo.


24 posted on 04/03/2013 5:37:12 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: namvolunteer

Anyone can use a search engine:

President Warren G. Harding, President Woodrow Wilson, President McKinley, President Calvin Coolidge, and President Harry S. Truman.


25 posted on 04/03/2013 5:49:36 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero; rockrr
McKinley wouldn't have been a Klan member. The old Klan was a Southern institution. The new national Klan wasn't founded until after McKinley was long dead.

Wilson sympathized with the Klan as depicted in Birth of a Nation, but he was too young for the old Klan and already in the White House when the new Klan was founded.

And I really doubt Coolidge was a Klan member.

26 posted on 04/03/2013 5:53:58 PM PDT by x
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To: GilesB

It was a secret organization, of course he would deny it... 1st rule of Fight Club.


27 posted on 04/03/2013 5:56:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: GilesB
I *LOVE* how upset you got!


28 posted on 04/03/2013 5:57:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: johnd201

“Why should any public park be dedicated to traitors?”

In the case of Forrest Park, he and his wife are buried on what was his property.


29 posted on 04/03/2013 5:59:42 PM PDT by Figment
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To: johnd201

Since when did you care about facts?

Forest arrived to Fort Pillow after the massacre had begun, and put a stop to it. He did not instigate that event.

As for the Ku Klux Klan: there are two distinct eras; you associate Forest with the Klan of the 1950’s and ‘6o’s. In Forest’s time it was a vigilante group, founded out of necessity, to protect the property of native Southerners from predatory yankee opportunists.

Once reconstruction ended and self government was restored, the Klan disbanded.


30 posted on 04/03/2013 6:03:17 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: johnd201

“Denial is one thing.... facts is another. Fact: Nathan Bedford Forrest was a founder of the Ku Klux Klan and was responsible for the Fort Pillow massacre.”

You might want to bone up on the facts of the Fort Pillow Massacre. Forrest rode between his troops and the Union troops to enforce the cease fire orders. Don’t let facts get in the way of you ignorance though


31 posted on 04/03/2013 6:04:18 PM PDT by Figment
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To: GilesB
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32 posted on 04/03/2013 6:06:44 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Owl558

“Do you really think that someone involved with terrorizing and murdering people would admit it???”

What sources do you cite for that accusation? That Forrest was involved in the beginning of the KKK is in little dispute, no evidence of being or advocating “Nightriders” is there.


33 posted on 04/03/2013 6:10:52 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Owl558
And other people have absolutely confirmed it.

Can we see citations? Not accusations, but the confirmations?

34 posted on 04/03/2013 6:20:55 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: Glenmore
Why were they named for Southern leaders in the first place?

In the case of Forrest, it is where he and his wife are buried. It was his property. Forrest was honored mostly for what he did after the war. Putting together the private consortium that built the first railroad bridge to cross the Mississippi river at Memphis was no small accomplishment. Forrest was a prominent businessman and not the KKK madman that uninformed folks like yourself like to portray ignorantly

35 posted on 04/03/2013 6:24:37 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Glenmore

Why were they named for Southern leaders in the first place?

Have you ever asked the question of why the US Army has bases named Ft Bragg, and FT Hood?


36 posted on 04/03/2013 6:38:55 PM PDT by Figment
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To: x

From what I’ve read it looked like Coolidge was the victim of a smear campaign. I saw several allegations but never any evidence.

Wilson was a stone racist but the evidence against him was just as slim.

I never researched McKinley.


37 posted on 04/03/2013 7:12:46 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: GilesB

“Don’t you DARE to presume what I will be telling you next...”

Repeating what an article says is no substitute for learning and critical thinking. Maybe you should learn more about a topic before interjecting yourself into a discussion - See my tagline.


38 posted on 04/03/2013 7:33:08 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: Figment; Brass Lamp

“That Forrest was involved in the beginning of the KKK is in little dispute...”

That’s what I thought, but apparently stating such a thing lathers up the emotionally invested.

There are other aspects of General Forrest’s life that are more in doubt and more controversial - involvement in the KKK is not one of them.


39 posted on 04/03/2013 7:52:36 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: BigReb555; All

Here are a few things for anyone who might be interested. (muahwiya, if you haven’t seen these, maybe they’ll be suitable for your collection.)

The history & economics they didn’t teach you in school

http://www.libertyclassroom.com/

Comes a stillness

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2013/01/comes-a-stillness-by-paul-greenberg.html

Authentic History of the Ku Klux Klan, Susan Lawrence Davis, 1924
available to read online or download

http://archive.org/stream/authentichistor00davi#page/n9/mode/2up

The Indiana Historical Research Foundation- Klan History pages (with newspaper clippings from the times, photographs, & other artifacts)

http://www.kkklan.com/

My maternal 3rd great grandfather was a slave owner. My 1st generation ancestors on my father’s side *were* slaves (indentured Irish), both husband and wife.

Many thanks to those who have tried to set the record straight, especially you, BigReb. I guess carpetbaggers & scalawags are saints, now. /s

God Bless.


40 posted on 04/03/2013 8:04:01 PM PDT by KGeorge
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To: terycarl

Late in the day man!


41 posted on 04/03/2013 8:25:35 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: johnd201

“Of course, you realize that they ALL took up arms against the government of the United States and by ANY definition of the term they qualify as traitors. “

Substitute ‘United Kingdom’ for ‘United States’ and you have a description that fits George Washington and every other Colonial British subject who took up arms against the Royal government.

It’s funny how South-haters get all puffed up over Americans fighting against Lincoln’s government but somehow have no objection to Americans fighting against the established government of 90 years earlier.


42 posted on 04/03/2013 8:45:06 PM PDT by Pelham (Without Deportation you have De Facto Amnesty.)
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To: Owl558

I am unimpressed with your tagline - expecially since you don’t pay attention to it.

You were wrong to accuse me - and you’re too arrogant (with scant reason) to acknowledge it.

“read my tagline, read my tagline” PFFFFFFFFFT!

“Look mommy! Look what I said!!!”

You have no integrity, I have no interest


43 posted on 04/03/2013 8:57:13 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Owl558
...involvement in the KKK is not one of them.

What proof is there that Forest was a founding member (or a memeber at all), as has been claimed? This subject is very much in dispute.

44 posted on 04/04/2013 3:53:41 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: GilesB
I am moved by the remarks of Nathan Bedford Forrest in

Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest's
Farewell Address To His Troops
Headquarters, Forrest's Cavalry Corps
Gainsville, Alabama
May 9, 1865

My line lost an ancestor killed at Little Anna April 25, 1864.

My line also provided a soldier to fight the aforementioned King George, who pressed on.

I note Lincoln and Forrest acknowledged the dedication of the men who fought for a cause.

Leave the revision of history to the airbrush of Stalin and the genocide of the PRC in Tibet.

We here share a common enemy, the traitor in the White House.

600,000 men in that conflict, sixty thousand in Vietnam, there can be no victory without honoring their sacrifice--

--something the extant POTUS serially insults.


45 posted on 04/04/2013 4:17:32 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: BigReb555
I'll compare Forest's human rights record, with regard to Blacks, with Custer's treatment of natives. When do we purge that little creep from the monumental record?

I have been challenging the other side to abide by a consistent use of a singular argumentative standard for years, but all I have ever gotten in return is an incoherent stream of emotional gotchas. Should I be surprised that the other side argues just EXAXCTLY like leftists, when their premises and conclusions are also those of the left?

46 posted on 04/04/2013 4:22:34 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: AlexW

“I understand that the utilities were split up and sold to companies outside of the state.”

No, good ole Memphis Light Gas & Water still under one roof. Our prior Mayor tried to get through the City Council to sell them out, but didn’t make it. Memphis still has the best water around (artisian wells).


47 posted on 04/04/2013 4:23:32 PM PDT by upbeat5
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To: upbeat5

“No, good ole Memphis Light Gas & Water still under one roof.”
_______________________________________________________

That is nice to know, but it may be only a matter of time.
I have not been in Memphis, or the USSA, in over ten years.
It was on some internet blurb where I heard that the MLG&W
had been busted up and sold off.
Yes, I am quite familiar with Memphis water.
As a kid, born in Memphis, I spent a number of snow days over at the water-works (Sheahan pumping station)
It was the favorite location for sledding...over fifty years ago.


48 posted on 04/04/2013 4:41:27 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Figment

the real tragedy here is that you actually believe what you wrote. Tsk, tsk, no real history to back you up just books written by people that want to perpetuate a myth.


49 posted on 04/04/2013 4:43:32 PM PDT by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: Pelham

Yea, let’s substitute that. Washington, Franklin, et. al. were under a sentence of death by hanging. As traitors to the Crown. Just as Washington would have been hung if the French hadn’t come in to the war so should all southerners who took up arms against the federal government have been hung as traitors. Perhaps if that had happened we wouldn’t be reliving it today with some people actually defending Jeff Davis. I guess you are a fan of Benedict Arnold too?


50 posted on 04/04/2013 4:47:45 PM PDT by johnd201 (johnd201)
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