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1 posted on 04/03/2013 5:39:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Freedom From Religion are going to have a heart attack.


2 posted on 04/03/2013 5:45:33 PM PDT by Viennacon
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"Official support for religious faith and state religious requirements for public office persisted well after adoption of the First Amendment. The established church of Massachusetts was not abolished until 1833. In New Hampshire, the requirement that one had to be Protestant to serve in the legislature was continued until 1877. In New Jersey, Roman Catholics were not permitted to hold office until 1844. In Maryland, the stipulation that one had to be a Christian lasted until 1826. As late as 1835, one had to be a Protestant to take office in North Carolina; until 1868, the requirement was that one had to be a Christian; thereafter that one had to profess a belief in God."

The Religious Roots of Freedom
M. Stanton Evans

Link to the rest of the article.

3 posted on 04/03/2013 5:47:15 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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And I’d also prefer a narrower question. “Separation of church and state” is a gassy concept compared to asking specifically whether a state should be permitted to establish an official religion.

BS, separation of Church and state does not exist (Constitutionally) and is only mentioned in a letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist.

He also explain quite clearly the intent of the 10th Amendment.

4 posted on 04/03/2013 5:50:45 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind

I love it. Won’t happen but it will be fun to watch the atheists’ heads explode.


5 posted on 04/03/2013 6:18:27 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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The Constitution only barred the Federal government from establishing a religion. States could, and did, maintain their state religions until late in the 19th century. I am a little fuzzy on it, but I think that the federal courts have since held that the 14th amendment prevents states from maintaining a state religion any more. The libs have sure gotten a lot of unintended mileage from the 14th amendment.


6 posted on 04/03/2013 6:21:31 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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Dumb and dangerous.

Don’t give the government any more power to promote or even RESPECT Christianity than you want it to have to promote or respect Islam, Wicca or Shamanism. Don’t set precedents (or even support the most venerable of precedents) that are based on the assumption that the majority is comprised of Bible believing Christian, because there is no guarantee it will be in 50 years time.

Same principle as with police and investigative organizations- NEVER give them more power to go after those we consider terrorists or gang bangers than we want them to have to go after preppers, home schoolers or church goers.


7 posted on 04/03/2013 6:41:58 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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I agree the U.S. Constitution in no way prohibits states from making laws regarding the subject of speech or relgioun.

How do we know this?

1: We can read the text which explicitly apply’s the limitations to congress alone, not the state leglsators.(unlike the 2nd amendment.)

2: In the argument for the amendment the whole point of the Amendment was to prevent Washington from interfering with State religions.

3: Many States continued to legally host official religion until around the mid 1800’s.

Its unfortunate modern schools are not teaching our history anymore or most american would know all of theses facts and thus be equipt to help uphold the limits of the Federal Constitution.

Bring the Constitution and American history back into the class room as a central focus must be our top priority at the state & local levels!

We cannot retain, or even defend Constitutional government if Americans know not the text nor original history of their documents(to prove its meaning).


9 posted on 04/03/2013 6:45:36 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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From the NC Constitution, Article 1:

Sec. 13. Religious liberty.

All persons have a natural and inalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences, and no human authority shall, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience.

Might not hurt to remind the ACLU et al of that....The state is NOT preparing to mandate religion but to keep these buttheads from stopping its proper expression.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 6:48:16 PM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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The only comment I have is : good. I despise the godless communists of the ACLU.


11 posted on 04/03/2013 7:52:57 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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Which is true, or was — Doug Mataconis is right that the Supreme Court has applied the Establishment Clause to state governments too (via the Fourteenth Amendment) for more than 60 years now.

Not only does Section 1 of 14A clearly indicate that 14A applies only "privileges or immunities of citizens" to the states, but please consider the following. FDR's puppet justices wrongly ignored that John Bingham, the main author of Section 1, had officially clarified on several occasions that 14A did not take away state rights.

"The adoption of the proposed amendment will take from the States no rights (emphasis added) that belong to the States." --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe, 1866. (bottom half of first column)

"No right (emphasis added) reserved by the Constitution to the States should be impaired…" --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe, 1871. (top half of first column)

"Do gentlemen say that by so legislating we would strike down the rights of the State? God forbid. I believe our dual system of government essential to our national existance." --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe (bottom half of third column)

Despite Bingham's clarifications, outcome-driven justices robbed the states of their 10A-protected power to regulate (I say cultivate) religious expression in Cantwell v, Connecticut as evidenced by the following excerpt.

"The First Amendment declares that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The Fourteenth Amendment has rendered the legislatures of the states as incompetent as Congress to enact such laws. The constitutional inhibition of legislation on the subject of religion has a double aspect." --Mr. Justice Roberts, Cantwell v. State of Connecticut, 1940.

The reason that patriots haven't done more to throw out the Supreme Court's spin on 14A and the Establishment Clause is the following imo. Given that knowledge is power, the consequence of parents not making sure that their children are being taught the Constitution and its history in the nation's public and private schools for many generations, patriots are powerless to stop activist justices from walking all over their constitutional rights.

13 posted on 04/03/2013 8:47:10 PM PDT by Amendment10
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