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Australia's gun controls a political template for the U.S.
Reuters ^ | Apr. 3, 2013 | James Grubel

Posted on 04/03/2013 6:04:16 PM PDT by EXCH54FE

(Reuters) - Former Australian Prime Minister John Howard wore a bullet proof vest under his suit when he addressed an angry crowd of gun owners in 1996, telling them he was going to ban automatic and semi-automatic weapons for the safety of all Australians.

At other rallies, effigies of his deputy prime minister Tim Fischer were hanged by opponents of gun control.

The battle for gun control in Australia, after the country's worst massacre in which 35 people were shot dead, was risky both personally and politically. Howard alienated a large part of his conservative, rural base and was almost thrown from office.

But the gun reforms made Australia a safer place, with fewer homicides and suicides, and both Howard and Fischer are now urging U.S. President Barack Obama to take his gun control campaign to the people, just as they did, to gain a consensus.

Yet I felt there was no alternative," wrote Howard, adding he hoped his example would contribute constructively to the U.S. gun debate.

Obama wants to ban military assault rifles and high capacity ammunition clips after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at a school in Newtown, Connecticut, in December. But his plans appear to be losing momentum ahead of debate in the U.S. Senate this month.

In Australia, gun owners were compensated when they handed in previously legal weapons. Almost 700,000 guns were destroyed, halving the number of homes with a gun. That would be equal to taking 40 million guns out of action in the United States.

But the reforms angered many constituents of Fischer's rural-based National Party, who vented their anger two years later at the ballot box. The pro-gun One Nation party won almost one million votes and the government narrowly avoided defeat.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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But some Australian gun owners, like hunter Stephen O'Donnell, still oppose Howard's gun control laws, arguing they have simply created paperwork not made Australia safer.

O'Donnell, a license kangaroo shooter, can only use a single shell, bolt-action rifle, limiting his ability to control mobs of kangaroos and feral pests which can wreak havoc on farms.

1 posted on 04/03/2013 6:04:16 PM PDT by EXCH54FE
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On a per capita basis, homicides in Australia are down by fewer % points than homicides in the US over the same period of time. Howard just doesn’t like guns, and like politicians everywhere, he feels no compunction about lying when it suits his purposes.


2 posted on 04/03/2013 6:07:38 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Australia's gun controls a political template for the U.S.

Well it was a American (Rebecca Peters) that wrote them.

3 posted on 04/03/2013 6:07:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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“But the gun reforms made Australia a safer place,”

...for the government to do whatever it pleases. Governments LOVE an unarmed citizenry.


4 posted on 04/03/2013 6:08:20 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Are Mosin carbines with fire round magazine (bolt action rifle) legal there?


5 posted on 04/03/2013 6:08:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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I ain’t never read Australia’s Constitution, and I really don’t care what the hell it says.

I know what my Constitution says, and it ain’t got nothing to do with shooting kangaroos.


6 posted on 04/03/2013 6:09:10 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: MHGinTN

Make that FIVE round box/non-detavchable magazines.


7 posted on 04/03/2013 6:10:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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But..but...but I thought Barry wanted America to be like Europe or Kenya or Pyongyang or Havana...


8 posted on 04/03/2013 6:11:02 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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Right - and gun crime and home invasions escalated when the ban took place. Seems only those law abiding citizens complied.


9 posted on 04/03/2013 6:11:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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this article shows why practicing head shots is beneficial.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 6:12:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Howard’s predecessor, Paul Keating, has this habit of calling his political adversaries scumbags. In regard to Australian gun control, I’d have to say John Howard is a real scumbag.


11 posted on 04/03/2013 6:12:39 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Australia does not have a Constitution with a 2nd Ammendment. Try that carpola here and the Dogs of Hell will be loosed.


12 posted on 04/03/2013 6:13:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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Morale of the story - finish the job so all politicians get the message

Howard alienated a large part of his conservative, rural base and was almost thrown from office.

13 posted on 04/03/2013 6:16:06 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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This is what the gun-haters will push. In fact they want more controls than exist in Australia.


14 posted on 04/03/2013 6:20:48 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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Just half the story ...

How about ALL the facts? http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

Like, 100% more violent crime? 150% higher Rape?


15 posted on 04/03/2013 6:23:49 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Zhang Fei

Australia isn’t America. They don’t have millions of illegals flooding their country and economy. They don’t have the terrible legacy of black slavery and its segregation/miseducation and welfare plantation addiction.

They don’t have the Russia, Italian, Mexican mafias.

They dont’ have 10,000 members of gangs in one city (LA). They don’t have the Crips and the Bloods, MS 13, MS 18, etc.

They don’t have the forests and plains (on the scale that we do), etc in which legal hunting takes place.

The don’t have violent ghettoes like we do (call them what you will, but many such areas are still ghettoes, trapping the criminals and their victims in a specific geographic area).

They don’t have political corruption on the scale that we do in which politicians are part of the drug problem, as are a small number of law enforcement agents.

They don’t have “Fast and Furious” supplying foreign drug traffickers and killers.

Australia’s Left is more communist than it is Social Democrat, and is just a cloned version of England’s marxist Left.

What Australia does have is a tradition of incredibly brave soldiers who fight for their country, and who I hope will one day rid the country of these out-of-their-minds marxists before there is nothing left of personal freedom.

We are suffering from that now under Comrade Obama and his marxist minions. I don’t want our allies in Australia to suffer the same nation-destroying disease that is creeping marxism.

The Aussies were magnificent in WW2 and Vietnam. They may be the last great hope of freedom ‘down under’.


16 posted on 04/03/2013 6:25:05 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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In Australia, gun owners were compensated when they handed in previously legal weapons. Almost 700,000 guns were destroyed, halving the number of homes with a gun. That would be equal to taking 40 million guns out of action in the United States.

Umm DUmmie Rooters, that would closer to 200,000,000 'guns out of action.'

17 posted on 04/03/2013 6:26:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Well said, MadMax!


18 posted on 04/03/2013 6:28:05 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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****In Australia, gun owners were compensated when they handed in previously legal weapons. Almost 700,000 guns were destroyed,****

The Australians had no fear of private owned weapons when there was half a million Japs posed to invade them.

How soon they forget.


19 posted on 04/03/2013 6:36:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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Australia is not faced with a history of slavery or large victim industry.

Nor does it have the US Constitution.


20 posted on 04/03/2013 6:38:11 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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