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Australia's gun controls a political template for the U.S.
Reuters ^ | Apr. 3, 2013 | James Grubel

Posted on 04/03/2013 6:04:16 PM PDT by EXCH54FE

(Reuters) - Former Australian Prime Minister John Howard wore a bullet proof vest under his suit when he addressed an angry crowd of gun owners in 1996, telling them he was going to ban automatic and semi-automatic weapons for the safety of all Australians.

At other rallies, effigies of his deputy prime minister Tim Fischer were hanged by opponents of gun control.

The battle for gun control in Australia, after the country's worst massacre in which 35 people were shot dead, was risky both personally and politically. Howard alienated a large part of his conservative, rural base and was almost thrown from office.

But the gun reforms made Australia a safer place, with fewer homicides and suicides, and both Howard and Fischer are now urging U.S. President Barack Obama to take his gun control campaign to the people, just as they did, to gain a consensus.

Yet I felt there was no alternative," wrote Howard, adding he hoped his example would contribute constructively to the U.S. gun debate.

Obama wants to ban military assault rifles and high capacity ammunition clips after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at a school in Newtown, Connecticut, in December. But his plans appear to be losing momentum ahead of debate in the U.S. Senate this month.

In Australia, gun owners were compensated when they handed in previously legal weapons. Almost 700,000 guns were destroyed, halving the number of homes with a gun. That would be equal to taking 40 million guns out of action in the United States.

But the reforms angered many constituents of Fischer's rural-based National Party, who vented their anger two years later at the ballot box. The pro-gun One Nation party won almost one million votes and the government narrowly avoided defeat.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
But some Australian gun owners, like hunter Stephen O'Donnell, still oppose Howard's gun control laws, arguing they have simply created paperwork not made Australia safer.

O'Donnell, a license kangaroo shooter, can only use a single shell, bolt-action rifle, limiting his ability to control mobs of kangaroos and feral pests which can wreak havoc on farms.

1 posted on 04/03/2013 6:04:16 PM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

On a per capita basis, homicides in Australia are down by fewer % points than homicides in the US over the same period of time. Howard just doesn’t like guns, and like politicians everywhere, he feels no compunction about lying when it suits his purposes.


2 posted on 04/03/2013 6:07:38 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: EXCH54FE
Australia's gun controls a political template for the U.S.

Well it was a American (Rebecca Peters) that wrote them.

3 posted on 04/03/2013 6:07:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: EXCH54FE

“But the gun reforms made Australia a safer place,”

...for the government to do whatever it pleases. Governments LOVE an unarmed citizenry.


4 posted on 04/03/2013 6:08:20 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Are Mosin carbines with fire round magazine (bolt action rifle) legal there?


5 posted on 04/03/2013 6:08:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I ain’t never read Australia’s Constitution, and I really don’t care what the hell it says.

I know what my Constitution says, and it ain’t got nothing to do with shooting kangaroos.


6 posted on 04/03/2013 6:09:10 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: MHGinTN

Make that FIVE round box/non-detavchable magazines.


7 posted on 04/03/2013 6:10:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: EXCH54FE

But..but...but I thought Barry wanted America to be like Europe or Kenya or Pyongyang or Havana...


8 posted on 04/03/2013 6:11:02 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: EXCH54FE

Right - and gun crime and home invasions escalated when the ban took place. Seems only those law abiding citizens complied.


9 posted on 04/03/2013 6:11:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: EXCH54FE

this article shows why practicing head shots is beneficial.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 6:12:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Howard’s predecessor, Paul Keating, has this habit of calling his political adversaries scumbags. In regard to Australian gun control, I’d have to say John Howard is a real scumbag.


11 posted on 04/03/2013 6:12:39 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Australia does not have a Constitution with a 2nd Ammendment. Try that carpola here and the Dogs of Hell will be loosed.


12 posted on 04/03/2013 6:13:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: EXCH54FE
Morale of the story - finish the job so all politicians get the message

Howard alienated a large part of his conservative, rural base and was almost thrown from office.

13 posted on 04/03/2013 6:16:06 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: EXCH54FE

This is what the gun-haters will push. In fact they want more controls than exist in Australia.


14 posted on 04/03/2013 6:20:48 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: EXCH54FE

Just half the story ...

How about ALL the facts? http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

Like, 100% more violent crime? 150% higher Rape?


15 posted on 04/03/2013 6:23:49 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Zhang Fei

Australia isn’t America. They don’t have millions of illegals flooding their country and economy. They don’t have the terrible legacy of black slavery and its segregation/miseducation and welfare plantation addiction.

They don’t have the Russia, Italian, Mexican mafias.

They dont’ have 10,000 members of gangs in one city (LA). They don’t have the Crips and the Bloods, MS 13, MS 18, etc.

They don’t have the forests and plains (on the scale that we do), etc in which legal hunting takes place.

The don’t have violent ghettoes like we do (call them what you will, but many such areas are still ghettoes, trapping the criminals and their victims in a specific geographic area).

They don’t have political corruption on the scale that we do in which politicians are part of the drug problem, as are a small number of law enforcement agents.

They don’t have “Fast and Furious” supplying foreign drug traffickers and killers.

Australia’s Left is more communist than it is Social Democrat, and is just a cloned version of England’s marxist Left.

What Australia does have is a tradition of incredibly brave soldiers who fight for their country, and who I hope will one day rid the country of these out-of-their-minds marxists before there is nothing left of personal freedom.

We are suffering from that now under Comrade Obama and his marxist minions. I don’t want our allies in Australia to suffer the same nation-destroying disease that is creeping marxism.

The Aussies were magnificent in WW2 and Vietnam. They may be the last great hope of freedom ‘down under’.


16 posted on 04/03/2013 6:25:05 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: EXCH54FE
In Australia, gun owners were compensated when they handed in previously legal weapons. Almost 700,000 guns were destroyed, halving the number of homes with a gun. That would be equal to taking 40 million guns out of action in the United States.

Umm DUmmie Rooters, that would closer to 200,000,000 'guns out of action.'

17 posted on 04/03/2013 6:26:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Well said, MadMax!


18 posted on 04/03/2013 6:28:05 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: EXCH54FE

****In Australia, gun owners were compensated when they handed in previously legal weapons. Almost 700,000 guns were destroyed,****

The Australians had no fear of private owned weapons when there was half a million Japs posed to invade them.

How soon they forget.


19 posted on 04/03/2013 6:36:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Australia is not faced with a history of slavery or large victim industry.

Nor does it have the US Constitution.


20 posted on 04/03/2013 6:38:11 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: MHGinTN
Make that FIVE round box/non-detavchable magazines.

Now in available with a cool stock and a 10 round detachable magazine.


21 posted on 04/03/2013 6:39:33 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: EXCH54FE

Aren’t robberies and rapes waaaaaay up?


22 posted on 04/03/2013 6:45:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (More people vote for a living than work for a living - Marc Faber)
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To: Red Steel

It’s said there are 80-million homes with guns in the US so halving the number of homes with guns would result in a 40-million change.

I believe the 80-million is just an estimate. I see 270, 300 and 400-million thrown around for the number of firearms.

I wonder how many would be illegal under Australia’s gun laws? Probably 50% or more?


23 posted on 04/03/2013 6:48:02 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: EXCH54FE

From: Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia.

(http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp)

Hi Yanks,

I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!). In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in “successfully ridding Australian society of guns.”

You won’t see this data on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it’s too late!


24 posted on 04/03/2013 6:50:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (More people vote for a living than work for a living - Marc Faber)
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To: Red Steel
Huh....I used to voice-chat with a lot of Aussie gamers.
And yeah, firearms came up often in the conversations (we were all playing a few 1st-person-shooter vid games)
What came out of those conversations was that:
Maybe half of all guns were turned in.
The govt. lies its ass off about that fact.
The govt. hides a lot of info to make it look like a successful move.
The immigrants bring in plenty of guns with them when they arrive, or have some mailed/shipped there.
Thats why the goverment lies about the 'success' of the program, they think the citizens dont know the truth!
The immigrants dont give a fig about the laws.
The only ones hiding the fact of gun ownership are (otherwise) law-abiding non-immigrants.

25 posted on 04/03/2013 6:54:45 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
26 posted on 04/03/2013 6:55:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Zhang Fei; Oztrich Boy; DesertRhino; MHGinTN; Repeal The 17th; FlingWingFlyer; SkyDancer; ...

From: Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia.

(http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp)

Hi Yanks,

I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!). In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in “successfully ridding Australian society of guns.”

You won’t see this data on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it’s too late!


27 posted on 04/03/2013 6:58:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (More people vote for a living than work for a living - Marc Faber)
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To: GOPJ

I live and work in Charleville, QLD - know what you mean.


28 posted on 04/03/2013 7:01:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Aglooka
It’s said there are 80-million homes with guns in the US so halving the number of homes with guns would result in a 40-million change.


No one knows for sure how many guns are in the US, however it is likely somewhere between 300 to 400 millions are in the US, but Rooooters said 40 million guns here,

"...That would be equal to taking 40 million guns out of action in the United States.

So we take the premise that there are 80 million households with guns...is Rooters claiming it is only 1 gun for each home or household? A 1:1 ratio?

LoL. No, that's not correct.

29 posted on 04/03/2013 7:17:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: EXCH54FE

I get tired of people peddling some nonsense that there is something foreign countries do that we should emulate. If they do it in Australia, and the Aussies don’t have the sense to overthrow their government and establish a new one, that’s the Aussies’ problem. If the combined EUrotrash does something, well, that is no sign the USA should do it.


30 posted on 04/03/2013 7:42:34 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher

Agree. Some idiot, well can’t say idiot cause he’s a member here. Some misguided person for N.Y. thought it was just fine that the cops in N.Y. had a stop and frisk policy. Cause it made him feel safe and others feel safe. And when I and others pointed out that it was against the Constitution and I was against it, his comeback was that “we are against most every civilized country in the world.”

Screw everyone else. I have a Constitution, it is the law of the land, it will be followed and if not sooner or later there will be hell to pay. And that ain’t a threat. That’s a damn promise.


31 posted on 04/03/2013 7:54:17 PM PDT by saleman
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To: EXCH54FE

A night on the kangaroo cull
Apr 3, 2013 11:32 UTCNEXT
Editor’s choicePhotographer David Gray spent a night out with Steve O’Donnell, a professional plumber who by night is a government-licensed kangaroo shooter on the outskirts of Australia’s capital Canberra. After dusk, Steve’s job is to take part in the culling of Australia’s kangaroo population, which is estimated at over 50 million, though precise numbers vary dramatically. Every licensed kangaroo shooter goes through rigorous testing and must abide by strict rules and conditions, including that a “headshot” must be obtained to minimize the animal’s suffering. Read David’s personal account here. 15 PHOTOS

http://blogs.reuters.com/fullfocus/2013/04/03/a-night-on-the-kangaroo-cull/#a=1


AS AN AUSTRALIAN MAY I ADD I APPROVE THIS REGULATION AND IF STEVE O’DONNEL DOESN’T LIKE IT HE CAN STICK TO PLUMBING.


32 posted on 04/03/2013 9:40:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: MHGinTN
"Are Mosin carbines with fire round magazine (bolt action rifle) legal there?"

Firearms chambered in military calibers were previously outlawed in some states.

As I understand the law, pumps an lever actions were affected. Bolt actions generally were not.

33 posted on 04/04/2013 3:25:57 PM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: atomic_dog

Is the waiting period down to only as year yet?


34 posted on 04/04/2013 5:20:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: GOPJ

Important and fascinating info - thanks!


35 posted on 04/04/2013 6:27:37 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: SkyDancer
Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.

That's a great tagline Sky Dancer... one of life's worthy choices...Westboro's as evil as they come...

36 posted on 04/04/2013 9:46:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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