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Australia's gun controls a political template for the U.S.
Reuters ^ | Apr. 3, 2013 | James Grubel

Posted on 04/03/2013 6:04:16 PM PDT by EXCH54FE

(Reuters) - Former Australian Prime Minister John Howard wore a bullet proof vest under his suit when he addressed an angry crowd of gun owners in 1996, telling them he was going to ban automatic and semi-automatic weapons for the safety of all Australians.

At other rallies, effigies of his deputy prime minister Tim Fischer were hanged by opponents of gun control.

The battle for gun control in Australia, after the country's worst massacre in which 35 people were shot dead, was risky both personally and politically. Howard alienated a large part of his conservative, rural base and was almost thrown from office.

But the gun reforms made Australia a safer place, with fewer homicides and suicides, and both Howard and Fischer are now urging U.S. President Barack Obama to take his gun control campaign to the people, just as they did, to gain a consensus.

Yet I felt there was no alternative," wrote Howard, adding he hoped his example would contribute constructively to the U.S. gun debate.

Obama wants to ban military assault rifles and high capacity ammunition clips after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at a school in Newtown, Connecticut, in December. But his plans appear to be losing momentum ahead of debate in the U.S. Senate this month.

In Australia, gun owners were compensated when they handed in previously legal weapons. Almost 700,000 guns were destroyed, halving the number of homes with a gun. That would be equal to taking 40 million guns out of action in the United States.

But the reforms angered many constituents of Fischer's rural-based National Party, who vented their anger two years later at the ballot box. The pro-gun One Nation party won almost one million votes and the government narrowly avoided defeat.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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To: MHGinTN
Make that FIVE round box/non-detavchable magazines.

Now in available with a cool stock and a 10 round detachable magazine.


21 posted on 04/03/2013 6:39:33 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: EXCH54FE

Aren’t robberies and rapes waaaaaay up?


22 posted on 04/03/2013 6:45:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (More people vote for a living than work for a living - Marc Faber)
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To: Red Steel

It’s said there are 80-million homes with guns in the US so halving the number of homes with guns would result in a 40-million change.

I believe the 80-million is just an estimate. I see 270, 300 and 400-million thrown around for the number of firearms.

I wonder how many would be illegal under Australia’s gun laws? Probably 50% or more?


23 posted on 04/03/2013 6:48:02 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: EXCH54FE

From: Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia.

(http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp)

Hi Yanks,

I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!). In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in “successfully ridding Australian society of guns.”

You won’t see this data on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it’s too late!


24 posted on 04/03/2013 6:50:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (More people vote for a living than work for a living - Marc Faber)
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To: Red Steel
Huh....I used to voice-chat with a lot of Aussie gamers.
And yeah, firearms came up often in the conversations (we were all playing a few 1st-person-shooter vid games)
What came out of those conversations was that:
Maybe half of all guns were turned in.
The govt. lies its ass off about that fact.
The govt. hides a lot of info to make it look like a successful move.
The immigrants bring in plenty of guns with them when they arrive, or have some mailed/shipped there.
Thats why the goverment lies about the 'success' of the program, they think the citizens dont know the truth!
The immigrants dont give a fig about the laws.
The only ones hiding the fact of gun ownership are (otherwise) law-abiding non-immigrants.

25 posted on 04/03/2013 6:54:45 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
26 posted on 04/03/2013 6:55:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Zhang Fei; Oztrich Boy; DesertRhino; MHGinTN; Repeal The 17th; FlingWingFlyer; SkyDancer; ...

From: Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia.

(http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp)

Hi Yanks,

I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!). In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in “successfully ridding Australian society of guns.”

You won’t see this data on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it’s too late!


27 posted on 04/03/2013 6:58:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (More people vote for a living than work for a living - Marc Faber)
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To: GOPJ

I live and work in Charleville, QLD - know what you mean.


28 posted on 04/03/2013 7:01:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Aglooka
It’s said there are 80-million homes with guns in the US so halving the number of homes with guns would result in a 40-million change.


No one knows for sure how many guns are in the US, however it is likely somewhere between 300 to 400 millions are in the US, but Rooooters said 40 million guns here,

"...That would be equal to taking 40 million guns out of action in the United States.

So we take the premise that there are 80 million households with guns...is Rooters claiming it is only 1 gun for each home or household? A 1:1 ratio?

LoL. No, that's not correct.

29 posted on 04/03/2013 7:17:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: EXCH54FE

I get tired of people peddling some nonsense that there is something foreign countries do that we should emulate. If they do it in Australia, and the Aussies don’t have the sense to overthrow their government and establish a new one, that’s the Aussies’ problem. If the combined EUrotrash does something, well, that is no sign the USA should do it.


30 posted on 04/03/2013 7:42:34 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher

Agree. Some idiot, well can’t say idiot cause he’s a member here. Some misguided person for N.Y. thought it was just fine that the cops in N.Y. had a stop and frisk policy. Cause it made him feel safe and others feel safe. And when I and others pointed out that it was against the Constitution and I was against it, his comeback was that “we are against most every civilized country in the world.”

Screw everyone else. I have a Constitution, it is the law of the land, it will be followed and if not sooner or later there will be hell to pay. And that ain’t a threat. That’s a damn promise.


31 posted on 04/03/2013 7:54:17 PM PDT by saleman
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To: EXCH54FE

A night on the kangaroo cull
Apr 3, 2013 11:32 UTCNEXT
Editor’s choicePhotographer David Gray spent a night out with Steve O’Donnell, a professional plumber who by night is a government-licensed kangaroo shooter on the outskirts of Australia’s capital Canberra. After dusk, Steve’s job is to take part in the culling of Australia’s kangaroo population, which is estimated at over 50 million, though precise numbers vary dramatically. Every licensed kangaroo shooter goes through rigorous testing and must abide by strict rules and conditions, including that a “headshot” must be obtained to minimize the animal’s suffering. Read David’s personal account here. 15 PHOTOS

http://blogs.reuters.com/fullfocus/2013/04/03/a-night-on-the-kangaroo-cull/#a=1


AS AN AUSTRALIAN MAY I ADD I APPROVE THIS REGULATION AND IF STEVE O’DONNEL DOESN’T LIKE IT HE CAN STICK TO PLUMBING.


32 posted on 04/03/2013 9:40:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: MHGinTN
"Are Mosin carbines with fire round magazine (bolt action rifle) legal there?"

Firearms chambered in military calibers were previously outlawed in some states.

As I understand the law, pumps an lever actions were affected. Bolt actions generally were not.

33 posted on 04/04/2013 3:25:57 PM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: atomic_dog

Is the waiting period down to only as year yet?


34 posted on 04/04/2013 5:20:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: GOPJ

Important and fascinating info - thanks!


35 posted on 04/04/2013 6:27:37 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: SkyDancer
Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.

That's a great tagline Sky Dancer... one of life's worthy choices...Westboro's as evil as they come...

36 posted on 04/04/2013 9:46:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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