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How did $300M minesweeper become scrap metal? Navy wants answers (Video at website)
FoxNews. ^ | April 04, 2013 | William Lajeunesse

Posted on 04/04/2013 1:06:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The commanding officer and three crewmembers aboard a U.S. Navy minesweeper have been relieved of their duties amid an investigation into how the $300 million ship got stuck on a reef near the Philippines and had to be scuttled.

The USS Guardian became stuck on a reef in the Tubbataha National Marine Park, a World Heritage Site in the Sulu Sea some 400 miles southeast of Manila in January.

The Navy said in a statement that the officer and crewmembers were relieved because the ship's grounding did not comply with its navigation procedures and accountability standards.

Last week, the Navy chopped the ship up into sections and removed it, turning a valuable ship into scrap metal.

“We're paid to make sure that both the crew and that ship comes through harm’s way alright,” said Joe Sestak, a former Democrat Congressman from Pennsylvania and retired three-star admiral. “A mistake was made here.”

On Sunday, workers removed the last major part of the ship, and experts there are now assessing possible damage to the reef. Meanwhile, Navy investigators want to know what went wrong on Jan. 17. Initially the ship sustained minor damage, but before it could be towed off the reef, waves pushed the hull further onto the coral.

The guardian is one of only eight sweepers in the U.S. fleet. So far, the Navy blames faulty navigational maps for causing the ship to run aground. Its captain, Mark Rice, took command of the ship just three months before the accident.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: minesweeper; navy

1 posted on 04/04/2013 1:06:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

first MCM in the Seventh Fleet to receive the Women-at-Sea modification


2 posted on 04/04/2013 1:08:58 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sestak has no room to talk. He’s one of the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon who tranformed our once feared and incomparable navy into “a globsl force for good.” Basically our whole military has been castrated and dumbed down.


3 posted on 04/04/2013 1:15:19 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Navy is good at eating their own.... And since they are officially blaming bad maps the Navy supplied the ship, well then...


4 posted on 04/04/2013 1:15:33 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The DESTRUCTION of MY United States Navy BEGAN w/ the passage of the 1986 Goldwater/Nicols DoD “Re-Organization” Act. My Navy began to be “Air-Forceized” then.


5 posted on 04/04/2013 1:22:25 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ships have been getting stuck on reefs for thousands of years, nothing new here.


6 posted on 04/04/2013 1:22:58 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It was a minesweeper. A wood and fiberglass minesweeper. It did not “become scrap metal”, it became trash.


7 posted on 04/04/2013 1:24:26 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Charts. Not maps.


8 posted on 04/04/2013 1:25:35 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

My guess is they could have pulled it successfully off the reef, but it would have damaged the coral, and in our new world, the Navy would rather sacrifice millions of dollars of equipment than “harm the environment”.


9 posted on 04/04/2013 1:29:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Because we don’t use bayonets or horses - or minesweepers.


10 posted on 04/04/2013 1:29:41 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: CharlesWayneCT

—IIRC, that was one of the excuses when it happened—


11 posted on 04/04/2013 1:35:47 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

There was no good reason to not tow it off the reef. The “damage” was done and scraping over it again would not cause any more significant “damage”. Thank the braindead greenies and morons in command. As if coral won’t grow back.

They could have even bolted a few space shuttle solid rocket boosters to it and gently lifted it off the reef and out to sea.


12 posted on 04/04/2013 1:37:22 PM PDT by soycd
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To: soycd
Wouldn't also, the broken coral "seed" the ocean bed with new reeferization ?

(Yeah, I know .. I made it up)

13 posted on 04/04/2013 1:41:34 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: clintonh8r

A retired Two Star, he got the boot before he had enough time in Grade to keep three.


14 posted on 04/04/2013 1:46:26 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: soycd
They could have even bolted a few space shuttle solid rocket boosters to it and gently lifted it off the reef and out to sea.

Or run a pipe to the White House and let O'Bozo fill it with hot air.


15 posted on 04/04/2013 1:47:11 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: Born to Conserve

“A wood and fiberglass minesweeper.” I was wondering about that. My old man was on a mine sweeper in WWII - not even sure they had fiberglass then. One of his sister-ships ended up on a reef right after the war - but that was due to a huge typhoon that sank/grounded hundreds of ships.


16 posted on 04/04/2013 1:48:40 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Iron Munro

Or unload everything possible, add some air bags to lift it higher in the water, and float it off.


17 posted on 04/04/2013 1:51:11 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: soycd
The “damage” was done and scraping over it again would not cause any more significant “damage”.

And once you drag it off the reef and the ship sinks because the whole hull is shredded, what then?

18 posted on 04/04/2013 1:58:13 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: CharlesWayneCT
My guess is they could have pulled it successfully off the reef, but it would have damaged the coral, and in our new world, the Navy would rather sacrifice millions of dollars of equipment than “harm the environment”.

The ship had been forced broadside onto the reef by the wave action and the whole hull was stove it. Whether you pull it off just to watch it sink or dismantle it in place and salvage what you can the ship is still history.

19 posted on 04/04/2013 2:00:17 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 21twelve

The hulls of WWII Minesweepers were 100% wood. There was steel/iron/aluminum above decks but the hulls were 100% wood.


20 posted on 04/04/2013 2:03:30 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
My guess is they could have pulled it successfully off the reef, but it would have damaged the coral, and in our new world, the Navy would rather sacrifice millions of dollars of equipment than “harm the environment”.

Hmm, their concern was for the coral since it was a living organism, yet the same people probably don't give a damn about a human baby being killed by having its brains sucked out..............

21 posted on 04/04/2013 2:20:24 PM PDT by varon (USA Nationalist)
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To: 21twelve

” One of his sister-ships ended up on a reef right after the war - but that was due to a huge typhoon that sank/grounded hundreds of ships.”

That wouldn’t have been the one that hit Okinawa would it? My Dad was there and took a bunch of pictures of beached ships. He hid in a cave for three days while it blew out.


22 posted on 04/04/2013 2:25:18 PM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You guess would have been incorrect.


23 posted on 04/04/2013 2:25:54 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

“The hulls of WWII Minesweepers were 100% wood. There was steel/iron/aluminum above decks but the hulls were 100% wood.”

You learn something new every day. Thanks.


24 posted on 04/04/2013 2:26:36 PM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Charts? GPS failure? Dereliction of duty? Sabotage?


25 posted on 04/04/2013 2:38:59 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
So far, the Navy blames faulty navigational maps for causing the ship to run aground.

In this day and age the Navy is still using faulty navigational maps???

26 posted on 04/04/2013 2:44:16 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: clintonh8r
For a chilling reminder of how the perfumed princes in the Navy scapegoat line officers, look up the story of the USS Indianapolis.
27 posted on 04/04/2013 2:50:43 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

28 posted on 04/04/2013 3:01:26 PM PDT by mirkwood
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To: Born to Conserve
Last week, the Navy chopped the ship up into sections and removed it, turning a valuable ship into scrap metal

"It's a miracle!"

29 posted on 04/04/2013 6:03:38 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
How did $300M minesweeper...?

Good question. $300 million? The UK built the (slightly smaller) Hunt class MCM in the same period for betweem £30(1980 estimate) and £60 (unit cost to build a new one in the 90s) - say a quarter to a third the cost of the American ship.

Someöne's been skimming.

30 posted on 04/04/2013 6:12:44 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Charles, your backwards clairvoyance is definitely working ... because that is exactly what happened. Environmental regulations forbade even putting out an anchor!

The initial grounding was a minor incident and the ship could have been saved. The skipper and officers are being hung out to dry. However, let's face it, any grounding is is usually a life sentence in a dweeb job w/o promotion.

PS: My yachting pals will be the first to tell you I am a passed master at running aground. As an expert I can advise our Navy that I would recommend running aground in the Gulf of Mexico, rather than on those granite ledges in the Gulf of Maine. Ouch, baby!

31 posted on 04/04/2013 8:53:15 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How could it happen? tectonic shiFt happens.

The Pacific Ring of Fire claims another captain.


32 posted on 04/04/2013 9:08:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I have to remember not to post to threads like this. If you really know stuff, you probably aren’t really supposed to talk about it.


33 posted on 04/04/2013 9:56:34 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
O Charles, Post away!

If the choice is between reef coral structures and the the ships of our fleet, why Mother Gaia must be favored. I attribute this tragic grounding to the promotion of white, non-lesbian officers to command positions by George W. Bush, and in my heart of hearts, I know that this attack on a helpless endangered reef will add to Global Warming, coastal flooding, increased childhood obesity, and the innate cruelty of Republicans to the LGBT communities, minority groups, and single moms.

Fear not, Obama will save the huge manatee!

34 posted on 04/05/2013 8:11:41 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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