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Saudi Arabia declares destruction of all churches in region
Christian Telegraph ^ | 4/4/13 | staff

Posted on 04/04/2013 5:06:11 PM PDT by Nachum

Earlier this month news reports surfaced out of Saudi Arabia that raised the red flag for Christians, reports MNN.

Todd Nettleton, a spokesman for the Voice of the Martyrs USA, says, "The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia--the top Islamic official in the country of Saudi Arabia--has declared that it is "necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.'" Nettleton goes on to note that the report hasn't surfaced anywhere except on the Council on Foreign Relations Web site, which was then picked up by The Atlantic.

Ranked second on the Open Doors World Watch List (a compilation of the 50 countries where persecution of Christians is the most severe), the news is not really a surprise. There is no provision for religious freedom in the constitution of this Islamic kingdom.

All citizens must adhere to Islam, and conversion to another religion is punishable by death. Public Christian worship is forbidden; worshipers risk imprisonment, lashing, deportation, and torture. Evangelizing Muslims and distributing non-Islamic materials is illegal. Muslims who convert to Christianity risk honor killings and foreign Christian workers have been exposed to abuse from employers.

(Excerpt) Read more at christiantelegraph.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabia; churches; destruction; saudi; saudiarabia; waronterror
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1 posted on 04/04/2013 5:06:11 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I have come around to the thinking, that not only should we have let Saddam have Kuwait, we should have let him have Saudi Arabia, as well.


2 posted on 04/04/2013 5:07:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nachum

Saudi Arabia is our Ally, and is not the font of Al Qaeda.


3 posted on 04/04/2013 5:08:30 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: dfwgator

He kept Iran in check. That’s for sure.


4 posted on 04/04/2013 5:08:34 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: dfwgator

This is what Glorious Leader wishes he could say.

But no matter how the tyrants of this world rant and rave, the Church will not die, thanks to the grace of the Lord Christ.

HA!


5 posted on 04/04/2013 5:09:19 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Uncle Miltie
Saudi Arabia is our Ally

They pretend to be our ally, while all the time funding Wahabbism throughout the world. They keep their friends close, and their enemies even closer.

6 posted on 04/04/2013 5:09:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

>>we should have let him have Saudi Arabia, as well.

I have to agree! Saddam was the only decent ruler in the region. He was secular and kept his psychotic people on a short leash. The House of Saud is the vilest bunch of back-stabbing SOBs in the region.


7 posted on 04/04/2013 5:10:28 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Nachum

Never forget it was 19 Saudi citizens, motivated and financed by the fundamentalist Wahhabi who in turn are protected and funded by the Saudi government, killed over 3,000 Americans ans caused over a trillion dollars in economic harm. Bush hit the wrong country. The Saudis owe the US reparations. You can just guess if those Saudi terrorists had struck China or Russia.


8 posted on 04/04/2013 5:11:56 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Bryanw92

***I have to agree! Saddam was the only decent ruler in the region.****

Google USS STARK.


9 posted on 04/04/2013 5:12:15 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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To: Bryanw92

Saddam was a sadistic thug, but one which was at least somewhat rational.

I’d say the only decent ruler was the Shah of Iran, and he was rewarded for his Enlightened despotism by being thrown to the wolves by Carter.

Sad thing is if the Pahlavis were as fundamentalist as the Saudis, they’d still be around to this day.


10 posted on 04/04/2013 5:13:09 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Nachum
We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan because we refused to implement the best culture - Judeo Christianity - upon the worst culture......Islam. throughout history, the conquered spread their culture upon the conquered.....until post modernists Liberals infected our government.
11 posted on 04/04/2013 5:14:23 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Nachum

It always has been and it always will be about one thing:

OIL!!!!!!!!!!

Saudi Arabia is nothing but a large kitty litter box with oil seeping.


12 posted on 04/04/2013 5:15:12 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: allendale

And make no mistake, we didn’t go to war in 1991 for Kuwait, they were chump change, it really was for the sake of Saudi Arabia, and that’s how they paid us back?


13 posted on 04/04/2013 5:15:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nachum

14 posted on 04/04/2013 5:15:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Jew-Hater James Baker was a paid Saudi agent.


15 posted on 04/04/2013 5:16:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Bryanw92

Oh please..decent and psychotic do not go together. He purged and tortured those chritians and others that stood up to him in any fashion. Not to mention his terrorist training camps that he fielded. Get a grip on reality!


16 posted on 04/04/2013 5:18:04 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Bryanw92; dfwgator

I had no problem removing Saddam from power. I have a serious problem in borrowing money from China to fight wars in middle-east. If our treasury had surplus dollars sitting around, by all means act as policeman and keep bad guys around the world in check.

But when we are bankrupt based on GAAP accounting standards, it is height of folly to spend 10 times more than any other nation. Have’nt we learned anything from the Roman empire, the Third Reich, USSR, etc who all went bankrupt trying to spend on military adventures.


17 posted on 04/04/2013 5:19:45 PM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: fabian

In that part of the world, “decent” is a relative term.


18 posted on 04/04/2013 5:21:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I remember when STARK was taken out. Saddam and his pals all said it was a big mistake when they fired that EXOCET on STARK. I had some Inside Baseball info on that.


19 posted on 04/04/2013 5:22:11 PM PDT by Ax
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To: entropy12

Probably had no choice after the First Gulf War.....But looking back that was the mistake......After that Saddam became obsessed with exacting his revenge on the US, and made deals with terrorists that he wouldn’t have made otherwise.


20 posted on 04/04/2013 5:24:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: allendale
Never forget it was 19 Saudi citizens, motivated and financed by the fundamentalist Wahhabi who in turn are protected and funded by the Saudi government, killed over 3,000 Americans ans caused over a trillion dollars in economic harm. Bush hit the wrong country. The Saudis owe the US reparations. You can just guess if those Saudi terrorists had struck China or Russia.

The rulers are the moderates. The Wahhabis who form the vast majority of Saudi Arabia's population aren't protected by the Saudi government - they tolerate the government as long as it adheres to Wahhabism. The moment that changes, the Saudi royal family will need to find permanent new digs abroad. Iran's Shah flouted the religious norms of his people, and paid the price by spending the rest of his life in exile. The Saudi government paid us $36b for Operation Desert Storm, which we would have had to fight anyway, to keep Saddam (or any given Arab leader) from unifying all of the Gulf region's oil fields under a single leader.

The amusing thing is that the neocon interpretation of Middle Eastern affairs is not all that different from the liberal one - the view is that the people are the salt of the earth and the rulers are scum who should be toppled. The traditional conservative view is that the people of the Middle East are scum and the only thing holding these evil troglodytes back is their rulers, who try to curb the worst excesses in order to avoid having to engage in continuous war until the end of time.

21 posted on 04/04/2013 5:25:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dfwgator

As the Muslim population grows in America we will see the same things called for here.


22 posted on 04/04/2013 5:29:31 PM PDT by paguch
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Nachum.
"The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia -- the top Islamic official in the country of Saudi Arabia -- has declared that it is "necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.'" Nettleton goes on to note that the report hasn't surfaced anywhere except on the Council on Foreign Relations Web site, which was then picked up by The Atlantic.

23 posted on 04/04/2013 5:31:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Nachum

Why are American Christians in that land of Satan? To help Saudis get filthy rich by running their oil industry...a classic case of serving Mammon instead of God.


24 posted on 04/04/2013 5:37:57 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Uncle Miltie

You really believe Saudi Arabia is an ally?


25 posted on 04/04/2013 5:39:10 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Saudi Arabia is our Ally, and is not the font of Al Qaeda.

Saudi Arabia is Muslim, and is the fount of Whabbism which is the foundation of Al Qaeda. It all leads back to Mecca. The only good thing about Islam is their predilection for killing each other. Other than that, its just a simple lying death cult that preys on the bottom half of the bell curve.

26 posted on 04/04/2013 5:45:24 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeminoleCounty
You really believe Saudi Arabia is an ally?

I think the movie Star Wars has corrupted, in the popular imagination, the definition of what an ally is. An ally is not a family member you defend no matter what. An ally is a country with which one cooperates in a common endeavor - each ally has its own reasons for the pact. We shielded the Saudi royals from Saddam to prevent the unification of Gulf oil and gas assets under a single ruler. We continue to defend Saudi Arabia and its neighbors from all regional enemies for the same reason - to prevent any future Saladins from attempting to unify the Middle Eastern ummah and the oil reserves they control. We also prevent Saudi Arabia from conquering its neighboring Arab states for the same reason. The Saudi royals like that we protect them from Iran and Iraq, but not that we prevent them from conquering Qatar, Bahrain and so on.

As allies go, the Saudi royals are infinitely better than many we've had - they paid us $36b for Desert Storm and import a lot of American products. Compare that to South Korea, which does tax audits on private individuals for buying American cars, among other scummy protectionist maneuvers, and steal American knowhow to manufacture domestic copies of US military equipment.

27 posted on 04/04/2013 5:50:48 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Its not an “ally”. Its an economic parasite feeding off the west.


28 posted on 04/04/2013 5:51:58 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: SkyPilot

Bingo!!


29 posted on 04/04/2013 5:53:20 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: entropy12

The Neutron Bomb was designed to deal with Muslims.


30 posted on 04/04/2013 5:55:20 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: paguch

The survival of the depends on the expulsion of all Muslims.


31 posted on 04/04/2013 5:57:04 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: dfwgator

In 1985 the Saudis convinced OPEC to open the spigots which helped crush the USSR’s economy (Their Caspian economy) coupled with a grain shortage. Saudi has not lived that moment (As well as others, but nothing that big) in time down which prompted Reagan, the Bush cabal, Clinton, and Obama to constantly kiss their asses.


32 posted on 04/04/2013 5:59:03 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: ZULU

****The Neutron Bomb was designed to deal with Muslims.****

And before that it was the .45ACP.

And before that it was the Puckle Gun with square shot.


33 posted on 04/04/2013 6:00:32 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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To: dfwgator

USSR’s = USSR’s, not sure why spell check sometimes screws up the apostrophes.


34 posted on 04/04/2013 6:00:54 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: American in Israel
Saudi Arabia is Muslim, and is the fount of Whabbism which is the foundation of Al Qaeda. It all leads back to Mecca. The only good thing about Islam is their predilection for killing each other. Other than that, its just a simple lying death cult that preys on the bottom half of the bell curve.

This is very well and good, but countries have rulers, and the alternative to the current Saudi rulers is a Saudi version of Iran - a country run by imams. Mubarak's Egypt was ostensibly secular and 3/4 of Egyptians voted for Islamists and they are moderate in comparison to ordinary Saudis. Islamist zealots mounted multiple attempts on the lives of Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak, succeeding only in the case of Sadat. The thing that too many don't understand is that rulers of Muslim countries do not dictate their subjects' religious views. Four decades of pagan (Alawite) rule in Syria did nought to eradicate the Muslim Brotherhood that is now taking the lead in the rebellion. On religious issues, leaders in Muslim countries go with flow of what their citizens believe - to do otherwise is to invite assassination attempts and defenestration. Just as the alternative to Mubarak in Egypt is Morsi, the alternative to the Saudi royals in Saudi Arabia is a Sunni version of Khomeini.

35 posted on 04/04/2013 6:02:45 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

>>Google USS STARK.

Google USS LIBERTY. No one in that region is our friend. All that matters is that someone keeps a lid on that nuthouse.


36 posted on 04/04/2013 6:03:51 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: ZULU

As atrocious as that sounds, probably is the most cost effective weapon for the stated purpose!


37 posted on 04/04/2013 6:04:36 PM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Zhang Fei

Good post, injecting some logic and wisdom into the issue.


38 posted on 04/04/2013 6:05:40 PM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: rollo tomasi
Saudi has not lived that moment (As well as others, but nothing that big) in time down which prompted Reagan, the Bush cabal, Clinton, and Obama to constantly kiss their asses.

I think we're nice to the Saudi royals because we're not thrilled with the idea of a Saudi version of Khomeini ruling the country, which is what would happen if elections were held there.

39 posted on 04/04/2013 6:07:30 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Not much difference when Christianity has been purged. First thing the brass ask for when rolling off the plane onto the Air Bases are Bibles and Crosses/Crucifixes. Who cares and with a Saudi version of Khomeini ruling the country, we can shut them up quicker. Saudi is a terrible ally anyway that coerces the US from implementing weaker strategies.
40 posted on 04/04/2013 6:17:10 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: American in Israel
Saudi Arabia is Muslim, and is the fount of Whabbism which is the foundation of Al Qaeda. It all leads back to Mecca. The only good thing about Islam is their predilection for killing each other. Other than that, its just a simple lying death cult that preys on the bottom half of the bell curve.

Amen.

May they God of Abraham, the God of Jacob, watch over you and protect you.

41 posted on 04/04/2013 6:18:21 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Zhang Fei
"..weaker strategies." Sorry, meant to write stronger strategies.
42 posted on 04/04/2013 6:18:39 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Nachum

If I could afford it, I’d get kerans to use for kindling and toilet paper.


43 posted on 04/04/2013 6:22:02 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (Got a letter from Gov. Palin in reply to my Dad sending her my picture from a TEA party rally.)
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To: entropy12; Zhang Fei

What logic? Sheikh Adnan al-Arour, a pro-anti-Western jihadist is heavily featured on Saudi TV. They have no concerns about the US, only what the US can do for them. Unfortunately our leaders refuse to call their bluffs.


44 posted on 04/04/2013 6:26:20 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi
Not much difference when Christianity has been purged. First thing the brass ask for when rolling off the plane onto the Air Bases are Bibles and Crosses/Crucifixes. Who cares and with a Saudi version of Khomeini ruling the country, we can shut them up quicker. Saudi is a terrible ally anyway that coerces the US from implementing weaker strategies.

Saudi Arabia is host to the two Muslim holy places. A war with an Islamist-ruled Saudi Arabia is a war with all of Islam. Al Qaeda has been run on a shoestring, with a budget estimated in the tens of millions of dollars. Imagine an al Qaeda funded by the ummah, with tens of billions per year at its disposal. The implications are staggering.

45 posted on 04/04/2013 6:28:58 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
"The implications are staggering."

To who? A total war with Islam would be a welcome change to dying by a thousand cuts which is happening today. I would love to destroy Islam's COG and then ask, "Where is your mighty Allah now that Mecca is gone". How will they answer, by throwing oil at us? lol. Pakistan's nukes are in piss-poor condition and their range is weak.

Russia would be a problem as well as China, but diplomatic concessions would be worth the cause.
46 posted on 04/04/2013 6:35:24 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Uncle Miltie; dfwgator; SeminoleCounty; American in Israel; ZULU

Silly me.

I thought I had enough of a reputation that the < / sarc > flag wasn’t necessary.

;-)


47 posted on 04/04/2013 6:35:59 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Uncle Miltie

Thanks for being my soap box. -grin-


48 posted on 04/04/2013 6:50:42 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: dfwgator
I have come around to the thinking, that not only should we have let Saddam have Kuwait, we should have let him have Saudi Arabia, as well.


Iran is going to take out Saudi Arabia .

49 posted on 04/04/2013 7:09:46 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: rollo tomasi; Zhang Fei

You may have missed the main point Zhang-Fei was making.
Which is would you rather have the Saudi royal family running S.A. or would you prefer Iran style Mullah’s in charge there?

I do not think he implied S.A. is perfect.


50 posted on 04/04/2013 7:12:50 PM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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