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Obama to offer Social Security cuts in new budget in exchange for tax hikes
Hotair ^ | 04/05/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 04/05/2013 9:22:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

No wonder it's taking so long for Barack Obama to send his budget proposal to Congress. The budget is almost two months overdue, but Republicans may find it worth the wait. The Washington Post reports that Obama will offer cuts to Social Security in exchange for tax hikes to close the deficit --- in effect, the grand bargain he and John Boehner nearly made two years ago:

President Obama will release a budget next week that proposes significant cuts to Medicare and Social Security and fewer tax hikes than in the past, a conciliatory approach that he hopes will convince Republicans to sign onto a grand bargain that would curb government borrowing and replace deep spending cuts that took effect March 1.

When he unveils the budget on Wednesday, Obama will break with the tradition of providing a sweeping vision of his ideal spending priorities, untethered from political realities. Instead, the document will incorporate the compromise offer Obama made to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) last December in the discussions over the so-called “fiscal cliff” – which included $1.8 trillion in deficit reduction through spending cuts and tax increases. …

While Republicans are certain to be skeptical of Obama’s call for more taxes, the president also is likely to face immediate heat over his budget proposal from some Democrats and liberal supporters. Obama proposes, for instance, to change the cost-of-living calculation for Social Security in a way that will reduce benefits for most beneficiaries, a key Republican request that he had earlier embraced only as part of a compromise. Many Democrats say they areopposed to any Social Security cuts and are likely to be furious that such cuts are now being proposed as official administration policy.

“While this is not the president’s ideal deficit reduction plan, and there are particular proposals in this plan like the [cost-of-living] change that were key Republican requests and not the president’s preferred approach,” the senior administration official said, “this is a compromise proposal built on common ground, and the president felt it was important to make it clear that the offer still stands.”

Strictly from a political standpoint, the public offer is surprising, almost shocking. Without a doubt, Democrats in the 2014 cycle would have used the senior-scaring tactics of the last decade or more when it comes to Republican demands for entitlement reform and deficit control. Most of those efforts have focused on Medicare and its greater threat to the nation’s fiscal health. When Paul Ryan offered two budgets to turn Medicare into an exchange program not dissimilar to ObamaCare for the rest of the nation, Democrats ran ads that pictured a Ryan stand-in pushing Grandma over a cliff.

That strategy is useless now that Obama has essentially endorsed entitlement reform, and proposed his own Social Security cuts — and also to Medicare, as the Post notes deeper in the piece:

The budget proposal slices $200 billion from already tight defense and domestic budgets. It would cut $400 billion from Medicare and other health programs by negotiating better prescription drug prices and asking wealthy seniors to pay more, among other policies. It would also generate $200 billion in savings by scaling back farm subsidies and federal retiree programs, among other proposals.

The proposal to change the formula to calculate Social Security payments, also originally part of the offer to Boehner, would generate $130 billion in savings and $100 billion in revenue, a result of the impact of the formula change on other government programs. But it is the change in Social Security payments to most recipients that is likely to generate the greatest outcry from the Obama administration’s traditional allies.

The change in Social Security actually is more modest than in Medicare. The former appears to be the adoption of chained CPI to calculate increases in payments, which will result in lower increases rather than cuts, which means that the savings are based on future projections rather than current rates of expenditures. The cuts to Medicare look like actual cuts, and perhaps even more significant, use means testing to generate revenues, a strategy that both parties have avoided in order to maintain the illusion that Medicare (and Social Security, which acts as a qualifier) aren’t welfare programs.

This proposal puts both parties on the political hook for proposing entitlement cuts and higher fees. A good entitlement reform package might be worth a trade for tax hikes, although comprehensive tax reform would be a better idea, which this proposal nibbles at but doesn’t deliver. Unfortunately, while the SSA reform on chained CPI is a good idea, the Medicare reform goes in the wrong direction — or at least in an ineffective direction. Ryan’s strategy to introduce choice in the form of public/private exchanges and most importantly a defined-contribution relationship of government to the system is the most effective way to solidify Medicare and solve the fiscal disaster than looms in the program. Perhaps this admission by Obama of the need to restrain costs in a real way will open the door to the Ryan/Wyden approach, which would be worth a tax hike to get passed.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: budget; destroyingus; entitlement; nwoalliance; obama; obamabudget; obamalies; obamataxhikes; socialsecurity; socialsecuritycuts; taxhikes; usurper
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is stuck on stupid. No social security cuts. No tax increases.

Scrap obamacare, quit looting social security, privitize a portion of social security, cut taxes and stimulate growth. That will get people working and bring in more revenue


51 posted on 04/05/2013 1:49:15 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ansel12

Feel free to cite a post where I defend abortion or gay marriage.

I will call out pro abortion and pro sodomy republicans, and protestants rather then give them cover.

Why should conservative Catholics support a party that supports homosexuality and abortion?


52 posted on 04/05/2013 2:17:54 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: SeekAndFind
Look for ZERO negotiations with ZERO during the next 15-18 months. EVERYTHING HE DOES GOING FORWARD WILL BE WITH ONE END GOAL - TO PLACE BLAME FOR EVERYTHING WRONG IN AMERICA ON THE REPUBLICANS AND THUS TO WIN BACK THE HOUSE IN 2014.

No deals forthcoming even if the GOP stumbles over itself to forge a deal - ZERO will scuttle any such deal and then blame the GOP. The propagandist media dutifully reports the lie and the "low information voter" sheeple of America dutifully lap it up.
53 posted on 04/05/2013 2:19:37 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ansel12

I am saying precisely the opposite.

The numbers indicate that the Democrats do not require the Catholic vote while the Republicans do.

If you remove the entire Catholic electorate - Obama still wins in both 2008, and in 2012.

If you remove the entire Catholic electorate in 2004, Bush loses.

Ergo, I conclude that the Republican party now requires the support of Catholics in order to win. The Democrat party does not.


54 posted on 04/05/2013 2:19:51 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: manc

true but the north east with all of it’s Catholics should be the most conservative and it isn’t because they call themselves Catholic but vote against their faith

I have never understood this. How can you call yourself Catholic or any other Christian, and vote for abortion? The Hispanic population has always stumped me with this also, since they are generally very family oriented and religious people as a whole.


55 posted on 04/05/2013 2:23:05 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (When will the rest of America's citizens wake up to the Obamanation?)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Why should conservative Catholics support a party that supports homosexuality and abortion?

Why indeed, why do Catholics vote majority democrat?

56 posted on 04/05/2013 2:23:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now he can tell all those who get their SS cut, the Republicans made him do it.

The Republicans will fall for anything.


57 posted on 04/05/2013 2:28:35 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Wisconsinlady
true but the north east with all of it’s Catholics should be the most conservative

The Catholic vote has always been know to lean left, big city democrat machines and unions depended on it.

The Catholic vote has never been known as conservative or right wing.

58 posted on 04/05/2013 2:43:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Crazy that obamma has racked up an additional $6 trillion in debt in less than 5 years and now he wants to talk debt reduction? Very crazy indeed!


59 posted on 04/05/2013 2:51:35 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

The cuts to Social Security are cuts in the rate of growth of Social Security, something the democrats in Congress racked Bush over the coals about when he suggested it.

obamma gets a pass because he is a Democrat.


60 posted on 04/05/2013 2:54:00 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: oh8eleven
AARP just supports and/or advocates for the ones that give them the biggest kickbacks.

Which is why I avoid doing business with any firm which AARP promotes, AARP branded or not.

61 posted on 04/05/2013 3:09:44 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: JCBreckenridge

This whole bag of SS has been turned into nothing but a government scavenger bag. Cut off any and all who did not put anything as much as a penny into SS. Sorry for any, including children and elderly who didn’t give a dime or squat about getting what was taken from somebody else. Make these people subject to an out in the open welfare program. Give the people paying in today reasonable/market return on their money put into the system as was the original promise. Admit it, government has conned and cheated SS payees to get political power through votes. Where is any honest elected official on this societal sore?


62 posted on 04/05/2013 3:09:51 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Vigilanteman
Which is why I avoid doing business with any firm which AARP promotes
You and me both.
63 posted on 04/05/2013 3:19:27 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SeekAndFind
Now that everything has double and tripled in cost in the past 10 years, reduce Social Security for the elderly..

Meanwhile tens of millions of illegals aliens choke off our welfare, social, services, medical care etc....

yuk yuk

64 posted on 04/05/2013 4:48:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: skimbell

I just went over to DU after you suggested it. WOW! They are on the rampage with Obama. Now they are saying Bernie Sanders 2016.....lol. This was the first time that Obama is getting some real negativity. I hope this continues. Democrats are PISSED!!!!


65 posted on 04/05/2013 5:33:24 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Actually, Social Security is NOT the drag on the budget deficit... Not adequate revenue... PERIOD!
66 posted on 04/05/2013 5:44:41 PM PDT by USMCreconn
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To: Venturer

Yep. It’s a trap.


67 posted on 04/05/2013 8:33:43 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: opentalk
many elderly receiving SS never worked, or worked very little, yet have been collecting for yrs and yrs...lets face that fact...

feel sorry for us not quite to retirement age...we've paid the full SS on all our income for 35-45 yrs....and what will we get??.....

68 posted on 04/05/2013 9:14:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: CSM
you can call SS anything you want....money was deducted from our paychecks for decades with the expressed idea of having something at retirement age....

govt employees with their fat defined pensions can willingly give up their pensions but please, nobody has the right to tell we the workers aren't going to get what we put in for....most of us don't have fat govt pensions or even private pensions...SS is it....

is it a broken system?..of course..because we have too many collecting who never worked, who are illegals or even new legal immigrants, and then the odious bad back SSDI people who have taken full benefits all their lives.....no wonder we're broke...but for Gods sake don't blame the people who've given their all...

69 posted on 04/05/2013 9:22:19 PM PDT by cherry
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To: SeekAndFind
Boehner is a socialist sell out and can go to hell!!!

Eliminate welfare, medicaid food stamps, and subsidized housing plus fire all federal employees that administer those programs with no increase I taxes~!

70 posted on 04/05/2013 9:32:29 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder how all those obama votin’ gen exers and milliniums, or whatever they’re called, are going to like seeing their taxes go up and their bring home go down, while at the same time their parents’ and grandparents’ checks get cut.

A little pain for everyone. woo hoo!


71 posted on 04/05/2013 9:48:24 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

What would best save Social Security would be to restore the “wage cap” at the 90% level as agreed to by a joint R and D group during the Reagan Admin in 1983. Since upper level wages have risen much faster than low level wages, and the wage cap was apparently indexed to inflation, by 1995 the cap level was hovering around the 85% level, more recently it has dropped as low as the 82% level.

All Obama would need to do is remind Republicans of this bi-partisan agreement, and restore the 90% level. This would not be a tax increase, it would just be keeping an agreement.


72 posted on 04/06/2013 12:03:51 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: ryan71; All

Or farm subsidies to big farmers who are collecting on land that never was and never will be in production.


73 posted on 04/06/2013 12:05:11 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow. I’m waiting to hear the Democrats and everyone else who threw a hissy fit when Bush wanted to reform SS rise up in anger against this proposal.


74 posted on 04/06/2013 3:47:46 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (I love my country; I don't like its government)
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To: SeekAndFind
The cuts to Medicare look like actual cuts, and perhaps even more significant, use means testing to generate revenues, a strategy that both parties have avoided in order to maintain the illusion that Medicare (and Social Security, which acts as a qualifier) aren’t welfare programs.

Social Security and Medicare are NOT welfare programs.

I bought and paid for my Social Security and Medicare benefits. Can a Food Stamp recipient say the same?

75 posted on 04/06/2013 7:22:12 AM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: SeekAndFind
cut the funds to the people that helped build America and keep it safe so it can give it to the useless eaters multiplying like RATS on welfare... wonderful
76 posted on 04/06/2013 7:37:52 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Then give me back the $183,000 I paid in and return the employer’s share to them.

I’ll handle my own retirement funds.

Regards


77 posted on 04/10/2013 8:22:10 AM PDT by Smoke6 (And a man said to the Universe, Sir I exist! To which the Universe replied "So what.")
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To: Smoke6

How about you make participation voluntary?

Where’s that 183k going to come from? Us.

Make it voluntary and go from there.


78 posted on 04/10/2013 8:45:13 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: upchuck

So why don’t you let all of us opt out and then see where your ss benefits come from?

It’s a ponzi scheme.


79 posted on 04/10/2013 8:45:56 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: cherry

Is theft ok if you’re the beneficiary?


80 posted on 04/10/2013 8:46:55 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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