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US Secretly Deploys B-1 Strategic Bombers, E-6 "Doomsday" Planes Near North Korea
Zerohedge.com ^ | April 5, 2013 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 04/05/2013 5:28:06 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian

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To: Former Proud Canadian

General James Mattoon Scott moving his pieces into place. I wish.


101 posted on 04/05/2013 8:08:57 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: GeronL
One case of a starving soldier being beaten for stealing some rice and he retaliated and shot 5 officers.

I'll bet they all ate good that night.
102 posted on 04/05/2013 8:14:29 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Southack

“You have to have a liberal in the White House to take out NK..”

How can you say that?

A conservative got us into WWI....oh, wait, it was a liberal

A conservative got us into WWII...oh, wait, it was a liberal

A conservative dropped the nukes on Japan, oh wait, liberal

A conservative got us into Vietnam.. oh wait, liberal

A conservative.......oh wait, a liberal

Well, we’re screwed!!!


103 posted on 04/05/2013 8:20:24 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: wxgesr

A certain very close relative who worked very long on the B1 is always very irritated they do not get publicity or accolades. In fact, they are the workhorse of the bombers, doing most of the work. Just like the good ol’ F16 is really the workhorse of the fighters but gets not too much attention.

And I personally can also vouch for the effectiveness of the submarines. But each in its turn.


104 posted on 04/05/2013 8:24:49 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Strategerist
Most overrated general in US history.

What he did right was politics, and that's why FDR & Truman both stuck with him and were stuck with him.  I remember my Mom & Dad saying how relieved they were when Truman named Macarthur in 1950, the guy's arrogance was just so convincing.  My uncle knew better because he'd actually served with the guy in the Philippines seven years earlier. 

Everyone fawning over an arrogant narcissist who's screwing things up.   Sound familiar?

105 posted on 04/05/2013 8:50:29 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: varyouga
Easy, Hoss.

We ain't droppin' no nukes on NORKO. Check ya map. It's right next to SOKO and we don't want to fry, or even singe our pals.

The best strategy here would be to drop pizza, ham sandwiches, and ice cream bars behind the NORKO lines. That should disrupt their attack!

106 posted on 04/05/2013 9:10:12 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: Dogbert41
Theirs, ours has only 51% of the population if that, and as such there are more than enough of us to willing and able to remove Obama from the seen.

Of course the immediate threat of self-destruction from within or total destruction from without is not yet on Obama’s shoulders and wont be until long after Obama himself is dead and buried. (they have yet to get thou plundering half the wealth of theses united States)

It would probably take Obama and Obama like fanatics a 100 years to reduce us to the dire state North Korea is now in after 50+ years of communist rule. If Obama's cult last that long then yes they be the same.

107 posted on 04/05/2013 9:30:53 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: Rembrandt

If were lucky the north Korean drama will be finally over. If were not Obama will just cave like Clinton did and he was doing(although apparently not enough for north Korea) and in anther 10 years we will have a nuclear armed North Korea with indisputable ability to hit us, and a nasty habit of selling theses weapons to 3rd party groups such a terrorist.


108 posted on 04/05/2013 9:34:43 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: ConservativeInPA
There's not much defense against the first salvo, so what are the alternatives

break their guns real bad!

109 posted on 04/05/2013 9:42:22 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Meanwhile, in the news, Guam tips over with addition of more US troops and planes there. Photos at 11.

We were stationed there in 1968 while the Viet Nam war was still going on. The entire island is only 30 miles long and 8 miles wide at its widest point! The Air Force base, Anderson AFB is on the northern point. I remember many trips by bus to the beach passing B52's all lined up, engines running and setting up to bomb the Viet Cong. I hear Guam is called the "poor man's Hawaii". Many fond memories, I'd hate to see it get hit.

110 posted on 04/05/2013 9:42:27 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Strategerist
I sincerely hope any missiles they set up on their launch pads and fire up, are taken out before they leave the ground. That should be all the message Junior needs that the world doesn't play chicken.
111 posted on 04/05/2013 9:47:09 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: xkaydet65

As to Bones not carrying nukes, you are correct. But my understanding is the jet’s hard points used to attach nukes are still in place. It’s just that the bolt holes have been filled with epoxy to prevent attachment of nuke munitions. To change this, all you have to do is drill out the epoxy. Of course this would put the USA in violation of START, but the fact remains that Bones “could” be used to carry nukes if we really wanted to.


112 posted on 04/05/2013 9:55:59 PM PDT by SDShack (0zer0care = "The Final Solution" - Socialized Euthanasia Healthcare)
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To: Kenny Bunk
This is a cult comprised of millions of people willing to die for their leader. Brainwashed and selected for obedience for generations. They would automatically reject any direct gesture from the outside world.

Any light attack or direct provocation(including “food propaganda”) will result in full artillery attack on the south. In 2010 they fired almost 200 shells at civilians after a SK shell supposedly landed in their water during training. Now imagine if we take action and still allow them the capability to retaliate.

If we wait, they will hold the world hostage with an orbiting nuke or bring something nasty across our border. The safest solution is to instantly carpet bomb the border region north of the DMZ without warning. Conventional bombs close to SK and nukes further away. Nukes only because I doubt we have enough conventional bombs to take care of it

113 posted on 04/05/2013 10:05:50 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

114 posted on 04/05/2013 10:09:45 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Dallas59

We’re just buying time until the Muzzlim Bro’hood can be installed.....


115 posted on 04/05/2013 10:47:00 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
"B-1B’s are like giant fighter jets. They have to make sure to avoid their number 1 nemesis though; Birds!"


116 posted on 04/05/2013 10:51:47 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Kenny Bunk

“The best strategy here would be to drop pizza, ham sandwiches, and ice cream bars behind the NORKO lines.”

The Norks already thought of that. The people have been brainwashed to believe that anything that falls from the sky — even leaflets — has been poisoned and will kill them if they even touch it.


117 posted on 04/05/2013 11:00:51 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Kenny Bunk

Or, we could drop Michelle to tell them to eat more greens and move about, or something like that.


118 posted on 04/05/2013 11:17:17 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

You make their “first salvo”, their “last salvo”.

Nobody will be doing a Pre-Emptive Strike on NK, so those 50K people in Seoul are the real Walking Dead.


119 posted on 04/05/2013 11:17:20 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: JoeProBono

Oh Oh Un’s got a gun..somewhere Feinstein wants to know if that gun has high capacity magazines


120 posted on 04/05/2013 11:24:21 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SDShack

I thought they were welded. But of course they could be drilled and tapped.


121 posted on 04/05/2013 11:28:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: US_MilitaryRules; All

I love journalistic secrecy. I remember 1990-91 when my son was in Saudi Arabia with the 82nd, some idiot asked at a press briefing, “What Kuwait beach are you going to land on to begin the invasion?”


122 posted on 04/05/2013 11:37:55 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: AppyPappy
"It is believed that North Korea cannot mobilize their army because of parts shortages and fuel issues."

Don't know if that's true, but I don't believe even the little fat-Un would attack anyone. While they could destroy much of Seoul with their artillary, their generals know damn well that the Western world would come down on them with a rain of fire that they couldn't possibly survive.

Even Obambi would have to take such action, whether he wants to or not. It's all posturing by the Norks to get more concessions from the US and UN.

Nothing is going to happen from the child Un. Yes, his military is faithful (mostly for survival), but they know if they attack S. Korea or anyone else, they are history. I'm actually waiting for a military coup.

126 posted on 04/06/2013 12:19:22 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Monorprise

but he may have a convenient accident...the little chubby ronery godless puke.


127 posted on 04/06/2013 12:21:06 AM PDT by RacerX1128 (Cornered in CA)
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To: batterycommander

I saw a video of the B-1 unloading 80plus some bombs in less than 3 seconds.....they can do some damage quick and avoid being detected, or at least move out of the way so fast to get out of danger...appears they drop quickly to ground level.


128 posted on 04/06/2013 12:44:05 AM PDT by caww
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To: expat_panama
Ridgeway was a mess. He said that Korea would be the last war fought entirely without nuclear weapons. Now after 60 years of nuclear free wars it looks like Korea might still be a nuclear war after all.

You misrepresent MacArthur’s plan for ending the war, give him no credit for Inchon, and give accolades to Mr. Stalemate-not-victory Ridgeway. Shouldn’t you be over at DU?

129 posted on 04/06/2013 1:24:11 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: PLMerite

“The Giant Claw” - what a movie!


130 posted on 04/06/2013 2:32:58 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Palin was correct!)
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To: Farmer Dean
I don’t know why they would deploy the B-1.One of our subs could smoke the whole miserable country before breakfast.

The B-1 is the USAF's JDAM truck. It can haul over 80 of the 500lb variety and each one can be GPS guided onto a different target.

I figured that given various sensor technologies (including E-8 JSTARS) we have most of the Nork artillery tubes sitting on the DMZ pointed at Seoul zeroed in. Four cells of B-1s could take out somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 (yes, that's one thousand) on the first pass.

If TSHTF in Korea, those artillery tubes are going to be the very first priority. I'd guess that there's an unstated threshold of Nork provocation were we'd go preemptive on them to significantly degrade the impact of a first and second salvo (because thanks to counterbattery fire there won't be a third) on Seoul.
131 posted on 04/06/2013 3:01:17 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Rembrandt

Is this part of the Obama legacy trip?


132 posted on 04/06/2013 3:28:48 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Let's not be so open-minded that our brains fall out.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

surely his generals know what is coming and they have the ability to take out the little runt?


133 posted on 04/06/2013 3:33:54 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Strategerist
"Most overrated general in US history.

Lol, too funny! The most decorated US solider in WW1, military governor of Phillippee (with Eisenhower as his aid), selected to be promoted to 6 stars and lead the US invasion of Japan. Only US general to ever hold the rank of Field Marshall (Korea). A general in WW1, and general in WW2 and a general in Korea. Three times nominated for the medal of honor. Yeah over rated my a$$. Check out MacAuthor causality rates, lowest of all senior commanders. He was one of this countrys' most brilliant generals. Oh and Truman was a jerk.

134 posted on 04/06/2013 4:21:46 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: expat_panama
"Macarthur had said it was impossible for China to invade Korea."

And he was right, but little to he realize that Truman would send the 7th fleet to secure the Chicom flank from possible attack by Khan-Ki-Check. Truman thus freed a large chuck of the Chicom army for duty in Korea. Had Truman not secured the enemy flank the enemy would not have been able in intervene in great force in Korea.

135 posted on 04/06/2013 4:27:50 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Monterrosa-24

MacAuthor “problem” was that he was old school military, “God, country, honor”. “There is no substitute for victory.” If you like fighting wars without winning them then you are fans of Trumans and Ridgeways.


136 posted on 04/06/2013 4:37:59 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I just got done reading the book "Ike's Bluff" - about how Eisenhower kept the Soviets and the Chinese guessing about whether he would be willing to launch a full nuclear strike.

Ike had the standing and resolve to sell the bluff.

Obama will turn tail when the sabers start rattling too loudly.

The Norks are testing Obama and finding him weak.

137 posted on 04/06/2013 4:39:01 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I read a book about the pogram developed by curis lemay - crazy stuff.

Obama will get rolled here for sure. F him.


138 posted on 04/06/2013 4:41:22 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Caipirabob

(Raised hand...) Question, what is all of this bluster designed to do re...CHINA and their effort to control the world? Just asking.


139 posted on 04/06/2013 5:05:50 AM PDT by Shady (Libya shows us how Americans rate...)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

140 posted on 04/06/2013 5:07:57 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Ridgeway was a mess. He said that Korea would be the last war fought entirely without nuclear weapons...   ...Shouldn’t you be over at DU?

Let's not change the subject because neither my being a bad guy nor Ridgeway being wrong about later wars has anything to do with Macarthur disobeying orders during the conflict while he publicly and falsely alleged that strategic decisions made by his commanders was impossible.  Say what you want about Ridgeway, he did what Macarthur said couldn't be done.

Like it or not, over the millennia most wars have ended in negotiations with or without decisive military action.  Same with the US as the Revolutionary & 1812 wars dragged through talks long after combat lost its import.  Civil War was different because open rebellion can never be tolerated, but since then (with the possible exception of WWII) the US has dealt with realities such as total war costs plus the need for a policy of containment.

141 posted on 04/06/2013 6:22:37 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: jpsb
"Macarthur had said it was impossible for China to invade Korea."

And he was right, but little to he realize that Truman would send the 7th fleet to secure the Chicom flank...

It's really hard for me to believe Macarthur could possibly understand Chinese military abilities if he couldn't even follow US military strategy.

142 posted on 04/06/2013 6:31:18 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: the OlLine Rebel
A certain very close relative who worked very long on the B1 is always very irritated they do not get publicity or accolades.

One of the unspoken Rules of Engineering: After the customer gets delivery, the most sincere compliment is dead silence.

(After that's said, on behalf of the rest of North American Rockwell's B-1 Bunch, pass a warm Thanks to your "close relative".)

143 posted on 04/06/2013 6:45:16 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (For why should my Freedom be judged by anothers conscience? 1 Cor 10:29)
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To: GeronL

North Korea is for some undetermined short term out of the missile business. There can be no more practice shots, even announced practice shots. They will be shot down.

Since no one really knows where the practice shots are really aimed, they will be justifiably shot down.

So, the norko missile jobs have been lost and unemployment grows. The law of unintended consequences prevails.

Un less, it was intended. The process ends the expense and saves face


144 posted on 04/06/2013 6:57:10 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: expat_panama
Well the US military strategy did not make any sense, at least not if the goal was to win the war. Having the 7th patrol the Taiwan straights freed up almost the entire Chicom army for duty in Korea. That move by Truman almost got us defeated in Korea.

Those of you knocking MacArthur for trying to win must be big fans of fighting not to win, yall must love wars like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan because it all starting with Truman in Korea, MacArthur was fired because he was trying to win the war. He got tired of Trumans "rules of engagement" like telling him he could only bomb the southern half of the bridges over the Yalu river, and went public.

145 posted on 04/06/2013 7:06:22 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
One of the unspoken Rules of Engineering: After the customer gets delivery, the most sincere compliment is dead silence.

Painfully true.  It took a long time for me to catch on in my engineering career after having worked my way through college playing guitar in band.  Cheers to silence wasn't easy, although the pay sure got better...

146 posted on 04/06/2013 7:15:37 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: US_MilitaryRules

No...

Saddam Hussien, Osama bin Laden and Hugo Chavez are still dead...


147 posted on 04/06/2013 7:28:24 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Repeal The 17th; All

“Would you like some more beans there Mr. Taggart?”


148 posted on 04/06/2013 7:30:41 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: AppyPappy
They are good cruise missile launchers.

They can also carry a large number of JDAM and JSOW bombs, each of which can be set up to hit a different target. And I would imagine that we have a bunch of drones busily mapping where the NK bunkers and guns are.

149 posted on 04/06/2013 7:33:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: xkaydet65
The NORKS have 10K arty tubes of 152mm and up within 20 miles of the DMZ. One salvo and they’ll kill 50K people in Seoul. None of this requires much movement. The arty sites are stocked and sighted in. By the time USAF and ROK planes are in the air and cany counter battery fire is effective Seoul could be a smoldering ruin.

Which provides an incentive to hit them first.

150 posted on 04/06/2013 7:34:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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