Skip to comments.US Secretly Deploys B-1 Strategic Bombers, E-6 "Doomsday" Planes Near North Korea
Posted on 04/05/2013 5:28:06 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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We're talking foreign conflict here, this isn't football. It was Mac's job to make sense of strategy worked out by others and then deploy recourses as needed. When it became clear to all that he wasn't up to it he was replaced by someone that could and was willing to do what he was told.
The worst part was that Mac deliberately disobeyed orders; he was lucky he wasn't shot.
iirc North Vietnam was given advanced warning when ever B-52's took off, expect more of the same
Well, if it was broadcast in the open...It might have been a Cessna 172 flying around spoofing the airwaves...;-)
The Bone is a serious weapons platform. More load than a B52 and way faster and stealthier.
If you look at MacArthur’s successes, in balance with failures, he was something outstanding. You make statements that sound quite untrue. I am sure he and his people knew full well the realities of the Chinese and he was correct, we should have nuked them to freed ALL of the people of China and Korea from a horrible dictatorship that has been responsible for the murder of millions upon millions of citizens.
You left out the Korean War.
Your list sounds like what my Grand Dad and his daughter my Mother used to say about who got us into big wars.
Show me where MacArthur said it was impossible for the Chinese to invade north Korea. Never did. He was a brilliant general and knew full well the possibilities of the enemies. And notwithstanding what some naysayers here say, the landing at Inchon and fast retaking of Seoul was awesome. He was also correct, we should have nuked Chinese forces and saved ALL of Korea. Think of all of the millions of Korean and possibly Chinese lives that would have been saved ultimately. And since when does speaking to the press for legitimate reason in order to possibly sway public opinion constitute an offense to be fired for?
Big Look, the ride has changed since your active duty days.
Never saw one from the perspective of a KC-135 comparison. That is a big airplane. 50,000 bombs and about 200,000 lbs of fuel and 7,000 miles range.
Its a communist state, there are no real jobs as we know then in the country outside the Kaesong Industrial Area
NK has invested in heavily fortified positions for key artillery units in order to prevent just such a first strike. It would take significantly more ordinance than you’d expect if you want to destroy those guns prior to them being moved to firing positions.
They think we are starving and we are warmongering out of jealousy
No we are talking about the incompetent conflicting policies coming from an administration that was totally clueless about it goals in Korea. An administration that only a year before the war that had withdrawn all US forces from S. Korea and announced to the world that Korea was outside “its’ area of influence”. Truman practically invited the invasion.
Patton and MacArthur both “fired” for telling the truth. Our generals have learned not to do that any more. I do not think we are better or safer with our new breed of PC officers.
Yes..they both knew full well the evil of communism and saw the murderous side of it. Now we have even revisionist judgers here on this site trying to rewrite the reality of MacArthur! oh boy...
Much attention focused on Guam. Couldn’t they just as easily strike Alaska? Oil...
Wow! I had no idea it would do a roll.
Concur about the effectiveness of our Silent Service. Those boys are Sierra Hotel and in the $hit right now.
I would certainly hope the CIA has someone on the payroll to remove this little tyrant in such a way.
Hell, there was more than just one reporter there when we hit the beach. Musta been 20.
Still...I just truly pray some day God will remove them and free the people....maybe with technology creeping into the country...and those who have left sneaking back in ...in time and with the sanctions the people might turn against this whole crazy scenario....it's pretty obvious nations aren't willing to do more than the status quo.
Makes ya wonder why this hasn’t been done long before. And or at least take out their nuke systems.
I think too many, who could make a difference, like the country just as it has been and is.
You’d be quite “underestimative” about that. The USS Ohio operates regularly out of Bangor and it alone could re-configure NKor. But the Ohio has a whole quiver full of friends, both boomers and fast attacks with vert-tubes that also operate from Puget Sound and Pearl. Then don’t forget the USS Nimitz is on its way and it has underwater friends who can bite if called upon by the Kenyan.
Sometimes we talk “BS” in the open just to lay it on thick. The radio that came from might have been parked on the ground. But even talking BS has a way of being revealing——the best way to cover is by constant chatter some of which might actually mean something.
“Makes ya wonder why this hasn’t been done long before. And or at least take out their nuke systems.
I think too many, who could make a difference, like the country just as it has been and is.”
Taking out a man is a lot easier than taking out a system of weapon or a weapons development program(which is indeed a whole lot of people).
If we wanted to take out north Korea’s weapons we would have to call their bluff and start bombing.
Well of course it’s easier...but then why has this not been done along the way.....
I understand all the dynamics of other nations involved with N.Korea...the boundary lines and who stands to gain or loose....my point is it does seem all nations are perfectly content to let things happen as they are with the people of Korea...likely because the N.Koreans don’t know anything different.
Needless saying N.Korea is about the most bizarre and strangest of nations...
Hey if you've already decided then I wont argue.
All I got are newspaper reports, eyewitness accounts, and historical analysis about why Macarthur didn't expect and chose to not prepare for China's invasion of Korea. Not only that, how he was so oblivious to the seriousness of the October catastrophe afterward that he proceeded to announce that the boys would be home by Christmas.
Secretly huh? Maybe I just have a bad memory, but I don’t remember so many national security leaks out of the Bush administration. The unit responsible for events such as the Bin Laden raid should never have been leaked.
Those two shared the same kind of leadership style --grab the headlines & strut. It's not hard to imagine that if Patton had been sent to the Pacific theater, the two would've attacked each other harder than they'd have fought Japan.
Just the same mho is that Patton would not have been blindsided by China in Oct. '50 because he seemed to have anticipated Germany in Dec. '44.
I am not saying that Mcarthur did not make some mistakes...war is a very hard task to general. Maybe you should try it sometime. What you did was overstate your case by saying he said it was impossible for the Chinese to get involved, and he did not...right?
“B-1’s to Guam. Somebody is getting ready for something.”
Yes, more bread-and-circuses (like Iraq) to distract attention from the destruction of our way of life. I’ve seen too many demonstrations in South Korea afainst US troops there to really care what happens in that part of the world. If the 2 Koreas annihilate each other we’ll probably gain back some of the jobs we’ve shipped over there.
That is what my take on foreign policy has been reduced to; the real salvation would be nuclear war between India and Red China. Our unemployment would be -20%...
LOL --you & Monterrosa-24 keep trying to change the subject! We start out talking about Macarthur & y'all back off from defending his blunders and switch over to my being a bad guy.
We see that game a lot these days, usually with those that defend Obama, Clinton, Carter, etc. Whenever we bring up their malfeasance we get hit with "aw you could do better huh? huh? Look, my war experience may be very impressive to some but we both know that there's nothing I ever did that can excuse what Macarthur did. I don't want to play that game & if it's that important to you they go ahead & play with it by yourself. They say if you play with it by yourself to much it can make you blind though.
Something to note here is how we got so much more opinion on Macarthur than fact. We don't even have a consensus on how to spell his name as Microsoft says it's "Macarthur" and the Freerepublic checker wants "MacArthur". Go figure.
“PS. Is it still a secret?”
Probably haven’t told Obbie yet...
(Do Not Look for a /sarc tag)
I did not say you are a bad guy..but you are quite presumptive..and you are the one that avoided my point that you OVERSTATED MacArthur’s error by saying that he was basically totally blid as to the Chinese situation...by saying that he said it was IMPOSSIBLE for the Chinese to get involved. You still have not shown me where he said that.
Then he'll have to dial-up, or...Does NK even have internet?
No, but he's got WMD's...
I saw a cool video of two Bones attacking a group Taliban in a mountain valley. They dropped a load on a convoy, swung around and bombed’em again, just for good measure. I could believe how maneuverable they were..
They don’t need to mobilize the whole army at the same time. Do it incrementally, starting with those at the northernmost part of the country, get them to the border first, and move those progressively south, next. It’s a much smaller footprint, and more difficult to detect.
It’s smart, anyway. That’s what I would do if I was in command.
In that Agreed Framework, North Korea was GIVEN two twin, light water nuclear reactors from the U. S. - - [since Bill Clinton designated that Agreed Framework as a 'deal'...Congress had no say in it!!] Thank you Bill & Hillary Clinton (and democrats) for fully loading up North Korea with plutonium bombs!
Google: "Clinton Bankrolled North Korea's Nuke Program"
Not to mention, this proof from Albright's words herself:
Google: "FLASHBACK: Albright: North Korea 'Cheated' on Clinton Nuke Agreement"
Current Status !!
KEDO announced November 21, 2003 that it would suspend construction of the two light-water nuclear reactors in North Korea for one year beginning December 1. The suspension came in response to Pyongyangs failure to meet the conditions necessary for continuing the project, according to the KEDO announcement.
.....North Korea reacted December 12 by announcing that it would restart the nuclear facilities governed by the Agreed Framework....the construction of the future light-water reactors was far behind schedule. The first reactor was initially slated for completion in 2003 but was not likely to be operational until 2008 at the earliest." (which brings us now to today, 3/31/2013)
Again, thanks Hillary and democrats; look what you've brought upon us now!
“What difference at this point does it make?
Deploying the B-1 in response to NK provocations while at the same time cancelling a missile test to lessen tensions with NK. . . talk about mixed signals.
Who do we have in charge. . .anyone?
Can’t carry the MOP.
Can carry lots of cruise missiles and JDAMS.
Can’t carry the MOP.
Only the B-2 and the B-52 can carry that munition.
“since a standard ferry flight of multiple planes would normally see the aircraft move individually.”
A flight of four (or two) per tanker would be usual.
The aircraft fly in “formation” trailing the tanker and close to re-fuel when necessary, and when done re-fueling, they drop back to trail position.
You don’t fly in the contact position unless you are re-fueling and you don’t fly in close formation for long periods of time.
Good to know, thank you!
This is actually a HUGE victory for North Korea. By bluster they got the USA to CANCEL a missile test. No other nation has ever been able to do that.
A tremendous show of weakness. Valarie Jarret had a hand in this. A terrible defeat for the US.
Too bad Obama wouldn’t let them carry any bombs.