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US Secretly Deploys B-1 Strategic Bombers, E-6 "Doomsday" Planes Near North Korea
Zerohedge.com ^ | April 5, 2013 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 04/05/2013 5:28:06 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian

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To: jpsb
...US military strategy did not make any sense, at least not if the goal was to win...

We're talking foreign conflict here, this isn't football.  It was Mac's job to make sense of strategy worked out by others and then deploy recourses as needed.  When it became clear to all that he wasn't up to it he was replaced by someone that could and was willing to do what he was told. 

The worst part was that Mac deliberately disobeyed orders; he was lucky he wasn't shot.

151 posted on 04/06/2013 7:35:27 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Former Proud Canadian
pretty hard to keep something like the Bone landing on Guam a "Secret"...

iirc North Vietnam was given advanced warning when ever B-52's took off, expect more of the same

152 posted on 04/06/2013 7:36:11 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Old Sarge

Well, if it was broadcast in the open...It might have been a Cessna 172 flying around spoofing the airwaves...;-)


153 posted on 04/06/2013 7:41:43 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The Bone is a serious weapons platform. More load than a B52 and way faster and stealthier.


154 posted on 04/06/2013 7:43:40 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: Former Proud Canadian
seriously though, i hope this doesn't turn out to be another war.
155 posted on 04/06/2013 7:44:56 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: Strategerist

If you look at MacArthur’s successes, in balance with failures, he was something outstanding. You make statements that sound quite untrue. I am sure he and his people knew full well the realities of the Chinese and he was correct, we should have nuked them to freed ALL of the people of China and Korea from a horrible dictatorship that has been responsible for the murder of millions upon millions of citizens.


156 posted on 04/06/2013 7:47:11 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Rembrandt

You left out the Korean War.

Your list sounds like what my Grand Dad and his daughter my Mother used to say about who got us into big wars.


157 posted on 04/06/2013 7:51:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (What do Sequester, Mayan Apocolypse, Y2K & Gorebull Warming have in common? They were/are 100% BS!)
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To: expat_panama

Show me where MacArthur said it was impossible for the Chinese to invade north Korea. Never did. He was a brilliant general and knew full well the possibilities of the enemies. And notwithstanding what some naysayers here say, the landing at Inchon and fast retaking of Seoul was awesome. He was also correct, we should have nuked Chinese forces and saved ALL of Korea. Think of all of the millions of Korean and possibly Chinese lives that would have been saved ultimately. And since when does speaking to the press for legitimate reason in order to possibly sway public opinion constitute an offense to be fired for?


158 posted on 04/06/2013 7:53:27 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: BIGLOOK; expat_panama

Big Look, the ride has changed since your active duty days.


159 posted on 04/06/2013 7:56:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (What do Sequester, Mayan Apocolypse, Y2K & Gorebull Warming have in common? They were/are 100% BS!)
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To: tomkat

Never saw one from the perspective of a KC-135 comparison. That is a big airplane. 50,000 bombs and about 200,000 lbs of fuel and 7,000 miles range.


160 posted on 04/06/2013 8:03:43 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: bert
So, the norko missile jobs have been lost and unemployment grows. The law of unintended consequences prevails

Its a communist state, there are no real jobs as we know then in the country outside the Kaesong Industrial Area

161 posted on 04/06/2013 8:03:50 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: tanknetter

NK has invested in heavily fortified positions for key artillery units in order to prevent just such a first strike. It would take significantly more ordinance than you’d expect if you want to destroy those guns prior to them being moved to firing positions.


162 posted on 04/06/2013 8:07:25 AM PDT by Domalais
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To: Former Proud Canadian
US Secretly Deploys.....

Not anymore.

163 posted on 04/06/2013 8:07:33 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: caww

They think we are starving and we are warmongering out of jealousy


164 posted on 04/06/2013 8:11:21 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: expat_panama

No we are talking about the incompetent conflicting policies coming from an administration that was totally clueless about it goals in Korea. An administration that only a year before the war that had withdrawn all US forces from S. Korea and announced to the world that Korea was outside “its’ area of influence”. Truman practically invited the invasion.


165 posted on 04/06/2013 8:13:01 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: ConservativeInPA
Preemptive smart bombs from 20K ft?
166 posted on 04/06/2013 8:14:52 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: fabian

Patton and MacArthur both “fired” for telling the truth. Our generals have learned not to do that any more. I do not think we are better or safer with our new breed of PC officers.


167 posted on 04/06/2013 8:18:47 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Yes..they both knew full well the evil of communism and saw the murderous side of it. Now we have even revisionist judgers here on this site trying to rewrite the reality of MacArthur! oh boy...


168 posted on 04/06/2013 8:23:31 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: boatbums

Much attention focused on Guam. Couldn’t they just as easily strike Alaska? Oil...


169 posted on 04/06/2013 8:33:46 AM PDT by virgil
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To: MCH

Wow! I had no idea it would do a roll.

Thanks.


170 posted on 04/06/2013 8:34:31 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Concur about the effectiveness of our Silent Service. Those boys are Sierra Hotel and in the $hit right now.


171 posted on 04/06/2013 8:46:20 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: RacerX1128
“but he may have a convenient accident...the little chubby ronery godless puke.”

I would certainly hope the CIA has someone on the payroll to remove this little tyrant in such a way.

172 posted on 04/06/2013 10:20:35 AM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: gleeaikin

Hell, there was more than just one reporter there when we hit the beach. Musta been 20.


173 posted on 04/06/2013 10:53:54 AM PDT by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: GeronL
Unfortunately generations of mind-control over those people has been successful....all three Kim's and the leadership are dastardly in every way.

Still...I just truly pray some day God will remove them and free the people....maybe with technology creeping into the country...and those who have left sneaking back in ...in time and with the sanctions the people might turn against this whole crazy scenario....it's pretty obvious nations aren't willing to do more than the status quo.

174 posted on 04/06/2013 10:57:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: Monorprise

Makes ya wonder why this hasn’t been done long before. And or at least take out their nuke systems.

I think too many, who could make a difference, like the country just as it has been and is.


175 posted on 04/06/2013 10:59:24 AM PDT by caww
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To: SatinDoll

You’d be quite “underestimative” about that. The USS Ohio operates regularly out of Bangor and it alone could re-configure NKor. But the Ohio has a whole quiver full of friends, both boomers and fast attacks with vert-tubes that also operate from Puget Sound and Pearl. Then don’t forget the USS Nimitz is on its way and it has underwater friends who can bite if called upon by the Kenyan.


176 posted on 04/06/2013 11:34:26 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Old Sarge

Sometimes we talk “BS” in the open just to lay it on thick. The radio that came from might have been parked on the ground. But even talking BS has a way of being revealing——the best way to cover is by constant chatter some of which might actually mean something.


177 posted on 04/06/2013 11:52:59 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: caww

“Makes ya wonder why this hasn’t been done long before. And or at least take out their nuke systems.

I think too many, who could make a difference, like the country just as it has been and is.”

Taking out a man is a lot easier than taking out a system of weapon or a weapons development program(which is indeed a whole lot of people).

If we wanted to take out north Korea’s weapons we would have to call their bluff and start bombing.


178 posted on 04/06/2013 12:09:49 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: Monorprise

Well of course it’s easier...but then why has this not been done along the way.....

I understand all the dynamics of other nations involved with N.Korea...the boundary lines and who stands to gain or loose....my point is it does seem all nations are perfectly content to let things happen as they are with the people of Korea...likely because the N.Koreans don’t know anything different.

Needless saying N.Korea is about the most bizarre and strangest of nations...


179 posted on 04/06/2013 12:19:01 PM PDT by caww
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To: fabian
Show me where MacArthur said it was impossible for the Chinese to invade north Korea. Never did. He was a brilliant general...

Hey if you've already decided then I wont argue. 

All I got are newspaper reports, eyewitness accounts, and historical analysis about why Macarthur didn't expect and chose to not prepare for China's invasion of Korea.  Not only that, how he was so oblivious to the seriousness of the October catastrophe afterward that he proceeded to announce that the boys would be home by Christmas.

180 posted on 04/06/2013 12:37:37 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Secretly huh? Maybe I just have a bad memory, but I don’t remember so many national security leaks out of the Bush administration. The unit responsible for events such as the Bin Laden raid should never have been leaked.


181 posted on 04/06/2013 12:55:38 PM PDT by Patriot95
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To: jpsb
Patton and MacArthur...

Those two shared the same kind of leadership style --grab the headlines & strut. It's not hard to imagine that if Patton had been sent to the Pacific theater, the two would've attacked each other harder than they'd have fought Japan.  

Just the same mho is that Patton would not have been blindsided by China in Oct. '50 because he seemed to have anticipated Germany in Dec. '44.

182 posted on 04/06/2013 1:00:40 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

I am not saying that Mcarthur did not make some mistakes...war is a very hard task to general. Maybe you should try it sometime. What you did was overstate your case by saying he said it was impossible for the Chinese to get involved, and he did not...right?


183 posted on 04/06/2013 1:24:40 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“B-1’s to Guam. Somebody is getting ready for something.”

Yes, more bread-and-circuses (like Iraq) to distract attention from the destruction of our way of life. I’ve seen too many demonstrations in South Korea afainst US troops there to really care what happens in that part of the world. If the 2 Koreas annihilate each other we’ll probably gain back some of the jobs we’ve shipped over there.

That is what my take on foreign policy has been reduced to; the real salvation would be nuclear war between India and Red China. Our unemployment would be -20%...


184 posted on 04/06/2013 2:19:51 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: fabian
war is a very hard task to general. Maybe you should try it sometime.

LOL --you & Monterrosa-24 keep trying to change the subject!  We start out talking about Macarthur & y'all back off from defending his blunders and switch over to my being a bad guy. 

We see that game a lot these days, usually with those that defend Obama, Clinton, Carter, etc.  Whenever we bring up their malfeasance we get hit with "aw you could do better huh? huh? Look, my war experience may be very impressive to some but we both know that there's nothing I ever did that can excuse what Macarthur did.  I don't want to play that game & if it's that important to you they go ahead & play with it by yourself.  They say if you play with it by yourself to much it can make you blind though.

Something to note here is how we got so much more opinion on Macarthur than fact.  We don't even have a consensus on how to spell his name as Microsoft says it's "Macarthur" and the Freerepublic checker wants "MacArthur".  Go figure.

185 posted on 04/06/2013 3:25:32 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: US_MilitaryRules

“PS. Is it still a secret?”

Probably haven’t told Obbie yet...

(Do Not Look for a /sarc tag)


186 posted on 04/06/2013 3:43:46 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: expat_panama

I did not say you are a bad guy..but you are quite presumptive..and you are the one that avoided my point that you OVERSTATED MacArthur’s error by saying that he was basically totally blid as to the Chinese situation...by saying that he said it was IMPOSSIBLE for the Chinese to get involved. You still have not shown me where he said that.


187 posted on 04/06/2013 4:52:13 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Jim Robinson
Perhaps not. I think Kimmy is still waiting for his IBM 5150 to boot up.

Then he'll have to dial-up, or...Does NK even have internet?

188 posted on 04/06/2013 6:46:47 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I think Kimmy is still waiting for his IBM 5150 to boot up. Then he'll have to dial-up, or...Does NK even have internet?

No, but he's got WMD's...

189 posted on 04/06/2013 8:08:46 PM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (It's 3 AM. Let me sleep on it. I'll get back to you in 16 hours.)
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To: Terry Mross

I saw a cool video of two Bones attacking a group Taliban in a mountain valley. They dropped a load on a convoy, swung around and bombed’em again, just for good measure. I could believe how maneuverable they were..


190 posted on 04/06/2013 9:43:20 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: AppyPappy

They don’t need to mobilize the whole army at the same time. Do it incrementally, starting with those at the northernmost part of the country, get them to the border first, and move those progressively south, next. It’s a much smaller footprint, and more difficult to detect.

It’s smart, anyway. That’s what I would do if I was in command.


191 posted on 04/07/2013 1:41:33 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: wastedyears
We all now know that it was delusional progressives HILLARY CLINTON, Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright who brokered the disasterous 'Agreed Framework' deal with North Korea (Oct. 21, 1994).

In that Agreed Framework, North Korea was GIVEN two twin, light water nuclear reactors from the U. S. - - [since Bill Clinton designated that Agreed Framework as a 'deal'...Congress had no say in it!!] Thank you Bill & Hillary Clinton (and democrats) for fully loading up North Korea with plutonium bombs!

Google: "Clinton Bankrolled North Korea's Nuke Program"

Not to mention, this proof from Albright's words herself:

Google: "FLASHBACK: Albright: North Korea 'Cheated' on Clinton Nuke Agreement"

Current Status !!

KEDO announced November 21, 2003 that it would suspend construction of the two light-water nuclear reactors in North Korea for one year beginning December 1. The suspension came in response to Pyongyang’s failure to meet “the conditions necessary for continuing” the project, according to the KEDO announcement.

.....North Korea reacted December 12 by announcing that it would restart the nuclear facilities governed by the Agreed Framework....the construction of the future light-water reactors was far behind schedule. The first reactor was initially slated for completion in 2003 but was not likely to be operational until 2008 at the earliest." (which brings us now to today, 3/31/2013)

Again, thanks Hillary and democrats; look what you've brought upon us now!

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/agreedframework

192 posted on 04/07/2013 3:27:32 AM PDT by Mr Apple ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/770752/posts)
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To: Mr Apple

“What difference at this point does it make?”


193 posted on 04/07/2013 6:00:48 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Deploying the B-1 in response to NK provocations while at the same time cancelling a missile test to lessen tensions with NK. . . talk about mixed signals.

Who do we have in charge. . .anyone?


194 posted on 04/07/2013 6:32:40 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: xkaydet65

Can’t carry the MOP.

Can carry lots of cruise missiles and JDAMS.


195 posted on 04/07/2013 6:33:41 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: batterycommander

Can’t carry the MOP.

Only the B-2 and the B-52 can carry that munition.


196 posted on 04/07/2013 6:34:48 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Old Sarge

“since a standard ferry flight of multiple planes would normally see the aircraft move individually.”

Not really.

A flight of four (or two) per tanker would be usual.

The aircraft fly in “formation” trailing the tanker and close to re-fuel when necessary, and when done re-fueling, they drop back to trail position.

You don’t fly in the contact position unless you are re-fueling and you don’t fly in close formation for long periods of time.


197 posted on 04/07/2013 6:41:23 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Good to know, thank you!


198 posted on 04/07/2013 7:28:01 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Hulka
Yeah, but I think it is much worse than that.

This is actually a HUGE victory for North Korea. By bluster they got the USA to CANCEL a missile test. No other nation has ever been able to do that.

A tremendous show of weakness. Valarie Jarret had a hand in this. A terrible defeat for the US.

199 posted on 04/07/2013 2:22:16 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Too bad Obama wouldn’t let them carry any bombs.


200 posted on 04/07/2013 3:17:47 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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