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U.S., Japan announce plans to move Marines from Okinawa to Hawaii, Guam
Pacific Business News ^ | Apr 5, 2013, 12:03pm HST | Mark Abramson

Posted on 04/05/2013 9:43:04 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

The United States and Japan on Friday announced plans for basing troops in Okinawa that will result in Marines from there being moved to Hawaii and Guam.

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“Under the plan, the United States will consolidate our forces over time and reduce our impact on the most populated parts of Okinawa,” U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in a statement. “Together, our plan calls for the immediate return — upon the completion of certain necessary procedures — of certain facilities and areas on Okinawa.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: japan; marines; okinawa

1 posted on 04/05/2013 9:43:05 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

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2 posted on 04/05/2013 9:45:04 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Pan_Yan

Sounds like Obama is putting his tail between his legs.


3 posted on 04/05/2013 9:45:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Three of the best years of my life were spent on Okinawa as an Army brat in the mid-sixties. This comes as sad news to me.


4 posted on 04/05/2013 9:49:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Everything coming out of the White Hut just keeps getting stranger and stranger


5 posted on 04/05/2013 9:54:48 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Pan_Yan

Run away!!!


6 posted on 04/05/2013 9:55:59 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Pan_Yan

Brave Sir ‘Bama ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir ‘Bama turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir ‘Bama!


7 posted on 04/05/2013 9:58:21 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: null and void

This has been in the works for years. It will continue. Japan is quietly, but persistently pushing to downsize the US Forces footprint here.


8 posted on 04/05/2013 10:01:22 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Pan_Yan

Sad news for thousands of bar owners and mama-sans a well.


9 posted on 04/05/2013 10:03:09 PM PDT by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: Windflier
So much of what was the America of our youths is being jettisoned by the current Regime. I spent two years as a military dependent in Taiwan when my Dad was stationed there - 1963-65, In 1969 I was with the 5th Marines in 'Nam - medevacked out in late June to USNH Yokosuka. On my way back to 'Nam, I went through transit at Camp Butler on Oki - an interesting couple of days. Never saw anything of the island itself.

It's a damned shame that, after almost seventy years of standing watch there, and after all the sacrifices made and brave acts performed by our Brothers there in 1945, that we are abandoning our post there.

These ill-begotten bastards in charge now are beneath our contempt!



"Riamh nár dhruid ó sbairn lann!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

10 posted on 04/05/2013 10:08:27 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: doc1019
Maybe the U.S. can have Sakahaichi Alley in Koza moved to Hawaii.
11 posted on 04/05/2013 10:10:13 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: doc1019

This has been in the works for years.


12 posted on 04/05/2013 10:10:22 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: TheGunny

And suddenly it is put in motion after the bombastic crap comes from the Norks?


13 posted on 04/05/2013 10:13:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: Pan_Yan

We had an exchange student from Okinawa. I think she was ok with the US presence there. Okinawa is considered sort of different from the rest of Japan, not as truly Japanese, so they get looked down on a bit. But they have their own interesting heritage and yummy food.

My dad was a reservist called up to active duty during the Korean War. He was sent to Okinawa to build stuff (Civil Engineering Corps officer). I wonder if his base housing and such is still standing.


14 posted on 04/05/2013 10:18:33 PM PDT by married21
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To: Pan_Yan

Sad. I did a tour there a long time ago.

Not really a surprise though. A lot of Americans act like real dopes there.

The younger generation of Okinawans don’t want us there.

They may reconsider that when the Chinese get even more militant the future. Same thing goes for the South Koreans and Filipinos.

They don’t want us there until something more menacing comes along.


15 posted on 04/05/2013 10:20:30 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Well said, Conor!


16 posted on 04/05/2013 10:39:56 PM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: easternsky
Everything coming out of the White Hut just keeps getting stranger and stranger

And that is a worry of magnitude, given all the other strangeness we've seen come out of this White House over the last four years.

Freepers have made some dire predictions about Obama since he came to office. Many of them have sounded like paranoid delusions, but with each passing month, you can actually see those predictions coming more and more into fruition.

At the end of the day, you have to conclude that he is, and is doing everything that the Freeper community has said about him. The only thing you can do is to take whatever preparative measures you can, and face what's likely coming.

It won't be pretty, but I'm convinced that we'll come through the other side with a restored constitutional republic that respects and honors the principles and traditions our nation was founded upon.

17 posted on 04/05/2013 11:13:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: laplata
Thanks for the kind words, Brother!

Camp Butler was a real trip. I went to the 45 Club the first afternoon I was there and got totally faced. I journeyed over to the dining room and ordered a steak dinner. I cut my steak with such a vigorous stroke that I fell out of my chair. I thought I was bound for the Brig, but the Sergeant on duty came over and said "Are you okay, Doc?" and helped me back into my chair.

Semper Fi, Brothers!



"Riamh nár dhruid ó sbairn lann!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

18 posted on 04/05/2013 11:17:07 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Windflier

5 years there myself.


19 posted on 04/05/2013 11:20:19 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
So much of what was the America of our youths is being jettisoned by the current Regime.

Too true, but I believe that a majority of Americans still cling to those traditions, spirit, and character, that have always defined us as a people.

We're living through a temporary period of manifest insanity being forced upon the country by a lunatic minority. It won't last. It can't last, as their business model is unworkable in the extreme. Even if they had the power to cow every American, and bend us to their will, their policies and methods of social organization would crash. In time it would bring on the very revolt which they're now instigating, but stridently ignoring.

Nature's law is on our side. In the end, we will prevail.

20 posted on 04/05/2013 11:29:57 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

You “Docs” deserve/deserved all the steak dinners you could ever eat and we’ll never forget your “above and beyond the call of duty”.


21 posted on 04/05/2013 11:33:11 PM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

22 posted on 04/05/2013 11:38:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
I believe you are correct. The American People have done it before and with God's help, we'll do it again!



"Riamh nár dhruid ó sbairn lann!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

23 posted on 04/05/2013 11:46:14 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: laplata
When I look back on a long life filled with both successes and failures the greatest thing I ever did was to stand on the field of battle with the 3rd Battalion Fifth Marines.



God Bless you, United States Marine Corps!



"Riamh nár dhruid ó sbairn lann!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

24 posted on 04/06/2013 12:06:11 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

bump


25 posted on 04/06/2013 12:10:44 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Great words, those!


26 posted on 04/06/2013 12:13:11 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: doc1019

No, we have been moving towards this for years. This has nothing to do with the current administration, and in now way related to current events. lets calm down a bit...


27 posted on 04/06/2013 12:54:20 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: ConorMacNessa

Great post, great page. Semper fi, brother.


28 posted on 04/06/2013 1:23:08 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Windflier

Thanks for the map. You have mail.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 3:03:14 AM PDT by panaxanax (They can have my guns when I run out of ammo.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Three years as a brat there 59-62, and 18 months during Viet Nam.....

Can’t say I thought very high of the people or culture. It was an economy mainly subservient to military money, at least during the times I was there. The Japanese also have always thought of the Ryukuans as second cousins.


30 posted on 04/06/2013 3:06:52 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pan_Yan

Better be careful, Guam could tip over!


31 posted on 04/06/2013 3:17:50 AM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: ConorMacNessa
I understand why you think it's a shame to leave after 75 years but there haven't been a lot of “strategic necessity” arguments coming from the military when plans to close it started cropping up.

Is it imperative that we maintain WWII and Cold War positions that may not apply to the needs of this melinnium?

32 posted on 04/06/2013 4:03:34 AM PDT by texanred
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To: texanred
Any idea why spell check suggested “melinnium” which is clearly wrong? I should have checked before Approving spell check but I didn't know wrongly spelled words would be suggested...
33 posted on 04/06/2013 4:14:18 AM PDT by texanred
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To: Windflier

“Three of the best years of my life were spent on Okinawa....”

I spent a few months there working on helicopters. Had a great time - but ran out of “new things” to see and do after a month or so (I don’t drink, so my options were fairly limited).

I don’t see us leaving Kadena, though - it’s a pretty strategic airfield complex.


34 posted on 04/06/2013 5:27:49 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Windflier

Yokohama and Sagamihara as an Army Brat in the 1950s.
Most all of the American footprint is long gone.


35 posted on 04/06/2013 5:34:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Pan_Yan

That’s going to wreck Guam. Too bad.


36 posted on 04/06/2013 5:46:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I was stationed at Camp Fuchinobe 1965-1969. Fuchinobe was part of the Zama-Atsugi complex. I spent a lot of time at the Sagamihara O Club, as well as at the commissary. I lived in Minami Rinkan.


37 posted on 04/06/2013 6:01:46 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Ax
My dad worked for the Yokohama Engineering Depot at Camp Zama in the early 1950s. We lived in Sagamihara in those years. In the mid-50s, he moved to purchasing for the Army's Japan Procurement Agency in Tokyo. We lived in the Sannotani neighborhood, across from Area 2 military housing until 1961 when we finally returned stateside.
The family was in Japan 1951-1961 and I made six crossings of the Pacific on MSTS (the Army's navy.)
38 posted on 04/06/2013 6:10:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Ronin

They are no longer required. A Pacific Marine force in Guam and Hawaii should be adequate.

The last tanks were withdrawn from Europe this week. the threat has dissipated.


39 posted on 04/06/2013 6:15:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Windflier
Here's another look at...'the rock'
40 posted on 04/06/2013 6:29:14 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: All
I spent 13 months on Okinawa in '62 & '63.

Back then 'the rock' had the Marines at Camp Schwab (3rd Marines), Camp Hansen (9th Marines), Camp Sukiran (12th Marines), and Camp Haig (3rdMarDiv HQ). The Navy was in Naha, the Air Force in Kadena, and the Army in Sukiran.

Okinawa was a blast for this young man. I was then based with the 3rd Medical Battalion at Camp Haig. Best place to 'play'; Kadena 'gate 2' street. Most dangerous place...Koza '4 corners' (for reasons known only to those who were there at the time)

41 posted on 04/06/2013 6:50:58 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I was lucky. Never went that MSTS route, flew either MATS or MATS charter. When we left in Jan 1969, we sailed on the SS President Wilson, Yokohama-Honolulu-San Francisco. Only way to travel.


42 posted on 04/06/2013 7:33:38 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Ax
Most all the MSTS ships were named for Army generals or the like. There were two Patricks as I recall. One of them had split in half and sank on the West Coast, was raised and welded back for duty in Korea.
Yokohama-Seattle or Seattle-Yokohama took two weeks at sea. Our last trip back was on the General W. A. Mann, from Yokohama to Honolulu for a one day stop, then on to Oakland, CA which was a big Army depot at the time.
We toured a bit of Hawaii for the one day layover in ‘61. The Arizona Memorial had not been built at that time and all the big BBs were still in service.
Wife and I visited Hawaii for a week a few years ago and toured the Memorial and the Mighty Missouri. The Missouri had just come out of dry dock with fresh paint and looked like a million bucks. The new Navy officer uniforms were confusing. I thought they were Marines at first glance.
43 posted on 04/06/2013 8:55:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Ronin
This was put on hold for a couple of years but I don't see why the move to Guam is a good idea. Guam isn't a transportation hub for planes or ships but a terminus. Except for emergencies, planes or ships only go near the island is because it's their final destination. Supply was a nightmare. Corrosion is murder on equipment.
44 posted on 04/06/2013 9:11:31 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Psalm 73
I spent a few months there working on helicopters. Had a great time - but ran out of “new things” to see and do after a month or so

I was just a kid, so I never ran out of new adventures to have in Oki. My little brother went back there years later as a Marine, and was bored to tears after not too long.

45 posted on 04/06/2013 12:14:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Yokohama and Sagamihara as an Army Brat in the 1950s.

I spent three years in Japan in the mid '50s. Two of my brothers were born there during that time. I don't know the names of the bases, but we were in Tokyo and Sendai.

46 posted on 04/06/2013 12:17:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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