Skip to comments.Pentagon to Buy Russian Helicopters Despite Ban
Posted on 04/06/2013 3:52:53 AM PDT by autumnraine
WASHINGTON, April 4 (By Maria Young for RIA Novosti) The US Department of Defense said Thursday it plans to sidestep a Congressional ban to purchase 30 helicopters from Russian state-owned defense firm Rosoboronexport, despite objections from US lawmakers who allege that the firm has equipped the Syrian government to commit brutal crimes against civilians.
The Department of Defense (DOD) has notified Congress of its intent to contract with Rosoboronexport for 30 additional Mi-17 rotary-wing aircraft to support the Afghanistan National Security Forces (ANSF) Special Mission Wing, Pentagon spokesman James Gregory told RIA Novosti in emailed comments.
The 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, approved by Congress last year, includes an amendment that prohibits financial contracts between the United States and Rosoboronexport, except when the Secretary of Defense determines that such arrangements are in the interest of national security.
Given current timelines, the department has determined that Rosoboronexport is the only viable means of meeting ANSF requirements for the helicopters, Gregory said.
The contract totals $690 million, most of which would go to the Russian arms maker, he added.
In February, US President Barack Obama announced plans to reduce the number of US troops in Afghanistan from 66,000 to 34,000 over the next year, leaving Afghan forces with an increased role in their nations security.
Many of the Afghan forces have already been trained to operate the Russian aircraft. Switching to a new platform would delay the readiness of their rotary wing division by at least three years while crews get training and experience on a new system, Gregory said.
A bipartisan Congressional group wrote a letter to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel last week in which they objected to the ongoing business relationship between the Russian arms company and the Pentagon.
What is the national security justification of continuing business with Rosoboronexport? they asked in the letter.
Russia continues to transfer weapons through Rosoboronexport to the regime of Bashar al-Assad in Syria, they continued. Since the Syrian uprising began, Russia has continued to serve as the Assad regimes chief supplier of weapons, enabling the mass murder of Syrian citizens at the hands of their own government.
Russia, however, has insisted that the deliveries are legal under international law and that it is not supplying Syria with offensive weapons. Moscow has also questioned the composition and goals of the various armed groups fighting the Assad regime.
US Rep. Jim Moran, who co-authored the amendment, said Rosoboronexport had supplied nearly $1 billion in arms to Assads government between 2011 and 2012, including high-explosive mortars, sniper rifles, ammunition and refurbished attack helicopters.
Public records show that some of the representatives who signed the letter and sponsored the amendmentincluding Moran, Rep. Kay Granger and Rep. Rosa DeLaurohave received campaign contributions from US defense contractors.
But Morans spokeswoman, Anne Hughes, described any implication that the lawmakers concern is more about campaign contributions than arms for Syria as laughable. Representatives of the other lawmakers did not respond to requests for comment.
The objections are understandable, the US defense industry needs contracts. But from a cost-benefit analysis, Russian helicopters are a better deal, Simon Saradzhyan, a security expert at Harvard Universitys Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, told RIA Novosti on Thursday.
The Russian helicopters, he said, are generally not as sophisticated or advanced as those made in the United States, making them arguably more suitable for use by Afghan security forces.
This is the Russian competitive edge, Saradzhyan said. They cost less and they are easy to maintain. This is how Russian arms supporters make their sales speech.
The Russian aircraft are superbly suited for harsh environments, said Gregory, the Pentagon spokesman.
In their letter to Hagel, the lawmakers asked what steps the Pentagon had taken to consider alternative helicopter suppliers. They also requested that the department prepare a detailed briefing and present it to Congress before taking any action on the pending contract.
Hagel has received the letter, Gregory said.
He will of course respond.
I want to buy a gun from my enemy in hopes that it will work in the event that I may have to use it against him. Mental illness, deliberate treasonous bastards or both
And some say this guy was the better of the two options we had last election.
Congress means nothing. Good to have that confirmed.
If any of you doubt it...we a BANANA REPUBLIC.
My take on this is we shouldn’t buy the Russian helicopters because they are supplying weapons to Assad, while we are supplying weapons to the Rebels.
If the Russian helicopters will get our men out of Afghanistan any faster buy them.
Of course the argument that the Congress mans nothing is a legitimate argument. The Congress today is made up of thieves and suck butts.They are there merely for show and to take their share of the pork money that keeps them there.
Dumb bunch of a-holes, weren’t they?
“WE THE PEOPLE” no longer means jack squat!
prosecute whoever willingly violates the law prohibiting such purchase
“The US Department of Defense said Thursday it plans to sidestep a Congressional ban....”
You gotta’ wonder how this is even possible - Zero “side-steps” Congress A LOT - and there is no recourse?
Will we even make it to 2016?
Sheesh don’t any of these idiots know that the lifespan of Russian helicopters is measured in hundreds of flight hours not thousands
If this government, and I use that term loosely, is just going to piss money down a rat hole, why can't it be my rat hole?
Are we really that stupid—or is it worse than mere stupidity?
So America doesn’t make helicopters anymore?
DeLauro asks Pentagon about Russian helicopter deal
WASHINGTON — It’s not easy to find an issue that can leave both Connecticut Democrat Rep. Rosa DeLauro and Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn equally outraged.
But the Pentagon paying $17 million apiece for a fleet of Russian helicopters certainly does the trick.
The Defense Department wants to spend taxpayers’ money to buy 30 more Russian-made Mi-17 helicopters to give to the Afghan army, through what is effectively a no-bid contract that blocks competing bids from such American helicopter manufacturers as Sikorsky, Bell and Boeing.
Stratford-based Sikorsky, which makes the comparable S-61 craft, has strongly advocated to the U.S. government “that U.S. aircraft manufacturers are more than capable of delivering affordable and reliable helicopters for the Afghan mission.” In a statement, Sikorsky said: “Given the opportunity, we would like to compete.” The S-61 is a cargo and passenger craft widely used around the world by governments and private firms.
But the Pentagon has narrowed its Afghanistan proposal in a way that eliminates American helicopters.
After Cornyn complained that the Pentagon hadn’t opened up the helicopter acquisition program to other bidders, Frank Kendall, the Pentagon’s acquisition chief, said the Defense Department would ask U.S. firms about “their ability to provide airworthy, armed Mi-17 aircraft for use by the Afghan military.”
Because no U.S. firms make the Mi-17, the Kendall letter amounted to a blunt rebuff to Congress and the U.S. helicopter industry.
To date, the Pentagon has bought about 70 of the Russian-made Mi-17s for the Afghan military. The new Pentagon plan to buy 30 more has riled some members of Congress who are asking Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel for an explanation.
The lawmakers also are irked that the Mi-17 helicopters would be supplied to Afghanistan by Russian official state arms broker Rosoboronexport, the same firm that furnishes weapons to embattled Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad.
Led by DeLauro, 10 House members have written Hagel to suggest that the Pentagon’s purchase would be a violation of the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress and President Barack Obama enacted last year. The act included a provision sponsored by DeLauro and Cornyn specifically barring any Pentagon dealings with Rosoboronoexport, though the measure allows the secretary of defense to waive that provision if such a waiver was “in the national security interests of the United States with respect to the capacity of the Afghan National Security Forces.”
This must be just one example of that “flexibility” Obama told the Russians he would have after the election.
buy American so when the radicals take over in the very near future like they did in Iran under Jimmy Carter ( notice a pattern here ) and turn against us, they will have a hard time finding parts.
“After the election, I will have more flexibility.” - message transmitted comrad
Hey, Russians make good helicopters! Why not buy them and use em—Or we could be like the Chinese, buy one and copy them.
Actually Russian helicopters, particularly older designs like the MI-17, literally will fly for decades with relatively poor maintenance, which for helicopters usually is the kiss of death. One can argue about the Pentagon usurping Congress. One can argue about giving American taxpayer money to a Russian firm. However, when it comes to large helicopters that are to be used in a foreign country by users who associate the word ‘maintenance’ with the same relish they associate with ‘pork’ then it is really hard to argue against the Mi-17. From Uganda to Uzbekistan it has proven its ability to fly in the hands of poor pilots, questionable fuel and really interesting fluids, and nonexistent maintenace crews for thousands of hours.
Should we hold it against the Russians because they are supplying the good guys in Syria? Just because Obama and Moran (or is it Moron) are backing the anti-American muslim terrorists in Syria doesn’t make those who are a bit more sane wrong.
You can say that again.
When it is time for him to bypass the 22nd, he will. And not one peep will be uttered in opposition by those in authority. You can count on that if obama allows an election in 2016, he will have it rigged so that he will win.
Well they do have problems and crash but they also will fly at high altitudes and carry a large payload and they are easy to maintain and they are faster than the Chinook which is the only chopper we have that flies high with a big payload. As long as they are leaving them in Asaghanistan who gives a rats bazoo?
The only thing I’m ticked off about is that we are leaving anything there except the fleas and dancing boys.
Actually, in this case it makes sense. Almost all the military gear the Afghan army has is Russian made. US equipment is just not compatible with it. Russian stuff is also far easier to maintain. For example, the AK-47 has only three field-serviceable parts. Such simplicity is a philosophy with them.
Plus a great secret of Russian aircraft is that it is much simpler to operate. The old joke was that the Russian spaceship that took their Cosmonauts to the Moon only had three buttons. “Start”, “Stop”, and “Self-Destruct”.
The masters of kick backs mow have to pay the price.
Lets look at this thing from the beginning.
We have already bought these animals 70 helicopters form the russians Now we want to buy them 30 more.,
WTF are we doing buying helicopters for Afghanistan in the first place. The day we move pout of there they will go back to the 10th. century and a hundred-—nay— a thousand helcopters will not stop it.
The smart thing to do is tell them nothing and like the Baltimore Colts, move out in the middle of the night, and destroy anything we cannot carry with us —including the 70 helicopters we already bought them.
1. Obama feels more comfortable in communist equipment;
2. he stiffs Sikorsky, and
3. the Russian helos come with English speaking, Russian crews that cost less than U.S. military crews.
It's because of “sequestration” don't you know, you stupid Yankees.
We can't come up with a simple, durable helicopter?
There are pluses and minuses to every design strategy.
For instance, Russian tanks were so relatively easy to use, but had such rotten engines, that tank crews would form up in three man groups for training and run around pretending to be using their tanks. From the moment the engine was started, they were only good for some 300 operational hours before the engine needed a complete rebuild.
US helicopters were extremely high tech and deadly, light and fast, but every time they flew they had to get a lot of maintenance, used several minutes of flight pre-checks before the engine was started, and had to have highly trained pilots. This is expensive as all heck.
A Russian helicopter was much like a tank. Heavily armored, simple to fly, and could give and take much abuse of most kinds. Routine maintenance was much less. Pilots were a dime a dozen. A lot cheaper than anything the US produced.
Importantly, Soviet strategy was also weird, because nobody was supposed to do anything until ordered to. The Germans learned in WWII, if a unit commander was killed, the unit would just continue what it had last been ordered to do, unless they were fired on.
In one instance, a German battalion arrived on one side of a river to see a Russian brigade, about 10 times their size on the other side. Realizing the Russians weren’t shooting, the German commander quickly ordered his soldiers to hold their fire. Then he called in an enormous time on target (rounds landing all at once) artillery strike on the other side. Suddenly the entire other bank of the river disappeared in a giant cloud of dust and smoke, punctuated with detonating artillery rounds. They were wiped out.
Documentation File on the harmful impact of the Counterculture of Obamanation on America.
Barry Soetoro, aka B. Hussein Obama, first Inaugural quote: I want to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA!
Flexible Barry in action!