Skip to comments.Defense Department classifies Catholics, evangelicals as extremists
Posted on 04/06/2013 4:40:05 AM PDT by markomalley
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Something looks fake about this. “Morman”,,,is that really how it showed on the slide? I notice Nation of Islam and Jewish Defense League are on there as well.
My thoughts, exactly.
That's how we know it's the real deal.
What this means is:
These are the folks who might fight back, when they realize the regime is trying to destroy Americas Freedoms
Relax FReepers, youve been the list for a long time already.
The SPLC is in Hillary’s pocket.
Hillary’s coming out of the gate making her run for 2016.
Excuse me? I thought Free Republic had a policy against posting extremist threats like that.
Ping for future use
I wouldn’t even say hip-pocket. The Army has clearly said this is not Army material. If it were Army material, it would have been staffed, and that would have required it making its way through a review by the Chaplaincy and by JAG, either of which would have flagged the “catholic” section without even a second thought.
I would say a powerpoint buck sergeant took some sources and put together a slide.
My concern would be the brainwashing in his earlier years that prevented him from seeing the silliness of some of the groups he placed on that list.
So, it’s a cultural/media issue and not a military issue.
Call the power-hungry politican of your choice at 202-224-3121 and demand an explanation and investigation now!
Curious that they don’t list Shia Islam and Hezbollah along with Sunni Islam and Hamas.
My bet is that the author was gay.
"Grand Kleagle" Democrat Senator Robert Byrd
It would be enlightening to see a picture and be given the name of the individual creating and presenting the subject “information” piece.
Even Jews are listed there also.
It might be Lt. Col. Timothy Challans and Major Brian Stuckert.
Let’s see the slide from 2005.
Since when is Islamophobia a religion? It's PC term to demean anyone who doesn't agree with the officially-approved opinions about Islam.
Why is the Muslim Brotherhood on the list? I though Obama liked the Muslim Brotherhood.
At least some of these presentations **DO** get prepared at a local level. I know because I've seen it — though from my experience, I've seen them get prepared by senior NCOs close to retirement who have been selected because they can “speak their minds” without worrying about career reprisals, or more rarely by mid-level officers, typically captains or majors.
I've seen good presentations and bad ones. Some really good ones included a briefing by a Japanese American World War II vet who was so angry at Japan after Pearl Harbor that he ended up making the US Army his career, and a speech by a retired black senior officer, a Vietnam vet, who talked about how he was so angry with the perception that “black soldiers won't fight” during the Vietnam War that he made a point of being the toughest soldier he could be during multiple tours in Vietnam so people wouldn't be able to say bad things about “black cowards” in uniform.
And then there have been some others which were a lot worse.
Yes, there are a lot of brainwashed idiots in America and some of them join the military. But I hope one lesson that the “politically correct crowd” takes out of this incident is that when they do bad things, they have a whole audience of uniformed people watching who may sit quietly and listen politely and then get copies and distribute them.
My personal view is that I've seen far less real racism in and around military installations than in the civilian world. That's a good thing for the military — having objective standards for performance and a culture of personal and group discipline is much easier to implement in the military than in many civilian career fields.
If people can accept the principle that the only colors which matter are “red, white, and blue,” I'm fine with that.
Is this how they will get the military to enforce their agenda? Just label us as extremists, weapons dealers, or druggies and it dehumanizes the target enough to allow abuse.
“And it wont be the last. Soon theyll be confiscating our Bibles along with our guns. Cant have bitter clingers.”
Yes, Christians are the new Juden.
I wonder how many Christians are physically and spiritually prepared to go Warsaw ghetto at the next gun grab?
Lexington-Concord and Waco both started with a gun grab.
Good morning Old Sarge. I almost thought I had written that reply, but hadn't even clicked on the thread. You hit the nail on the head with the last part of that sentence.
Have you noticed that some people are not listening to you? This is happening more frequently on FR, someone who is really an expert and knows what they are talking about posts a comment that debunks some particular line of nonsense. The result is usually either an immediate ad hominem attack or they pretend that you do not exist. Most of these people never read the article, they just pounce on the headline. I fondly remember the days when we recognized folks who knew what they were talking about, read what they had to say, and learned from it. Not much of that going on these days.
Exactly. And that’s how the same multiple-times-debunked tripe will continue to raise its ugly head on FR for ages.
The DHS ammo purchase threads are a great example.
They know the jig's just about up.... Too many people have caught on to who and what they really are... It's like before 'global warming' started to crash and burn - they started putting out more and more frantic warnings. Each more bizarre than the one before... and that's what's happening here.
Liberal elites are losing their grip on culture lies and they're starting to panic.
Another one of these gophers just popped up out of its hole, along with some vanity about ammo that mentions 1.6 billion rounds. I wonder when it will hit 2 billion?
The SPLC created the concept and name for the 'vast right wing conspiracy' - a political scam for the Clinton war room - a package of lies about white middle-class Christians.
The SPLC and Clinton War room staff never had to prove the lies against middle class Christians because it was a whisper campaign. If Hillary hasn't spilled the beans prematurely that totalitarian move might have worked. It was being peddled to top cops in the country at the time (cops who were FBI trained as city contract people). I suspect the core of liberal elite thug power comes from the SPLC. A group that once had an ethical purpose but has been corrupted... Where is the Washington Post - where is FoxNews or the New York Times?
Colo. undersheriff warns: State police, Homeland Security to target Christians
I know because I've seen it though from my experience, I've seen them get prepared by senior NCOs close to retirement who have been selected because they can speak their minds without worrying about career reprisals, or more rarely by mid-level officers, typically captains or majors.
Now that I'm up at the strategic level Army, we have dedicated people for this task of briefing and generally handling EO stuff. Seems like a GROSS waste of manpower to me, but the Army doesn't give a s**t what I think anyway. In my Infantry days, it was usually the most un-PC NCO we had who got tasked to be the company EO rep--it was practically a joke, but a joke that had to be taken seriously regardless, which made it even more head-shaking in its incongruity.
If people can accept the principle that the only colors which matter are red, white, and blue, I'm fine with that.
I wish that was so, but it isn't. PC has its hooks in the military (especially the Army) good and deep. It's all small groups of special interests and skin colors and (now) sexual orientations.
I once held to the idea that we were all green, but I've seen first-hand how that is NOT the case. Hell, I had a (black, female, VERY entitled) major in my ROTC program outright say that's not the case.
Then there’s Director of Terrorism Studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy Arie Perliger’s Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding Americas Violent Far-Right. In it he includes pro-life Americans as terrorists and cites the SPLC as credible authorities.
That’s quite a bit more than a “slide”.
Sounds like liberalism. The basic premise here is that extremists are people that think they are right and everyone else is wrong. almost all religions and political groups meet this definition. Therefore virtually all people on the planet are extremists by this definition
The list as presented lists groups dedicated to extremism with two exceptions. It singles out two groups, Catholicism and Evangelical Christianity, both of which are religious groups that are not dedicated to extremism, (but they may have subgroups that are).
You don't understand that?
Don't think there are extremist evangelicals? obviously you haven't been watching the news about that church that pickets funerals.
You make my point. The list DIDN'T single out the "church that pickets funerals". It DID single out Evangelical Christianity.
And have that..."um"... stutter of yours checked out. I hear they can cure that now.
Atheists are the most rabid animals of religious zealots.
So, according to the slide deck, soldiers cannot be Christians of any kind including Catholics because they are forbidden from participating, fund raising, etc. with “extremist organizations”.
What would Jesus be saying to these people? I know he would be fighting with words rather than swords, but we always need to remember that Christ won in the end -- even though it looked like he lost as he died on the Cross.
Headline definitely one to raise the most ‘fear’.
First line says it was from a ‘Reserve Unit Briefing’, kind of like the local ‘R’ dogcatcher agreeing with ‘Global warming’ and the headline reads “Republicans accept Global Warming”.
Would expect to find this in the Washington Post rather than Washington Times.
Ummm...they mispelled Mormon
That would be the traditional Jewish greeting, “Shalom aleichem”. Usually the Jew being addressed will then contradict by saying, “Aleichem shalom!”
Isolated incident my ass. This is the third time (once by DHS and now twice by DoD) now that these assholes have labeled their political opponents as potential enemies of the state. The Question is why are the GOP members of the Armed Services Committee not making heads roll and firing these people?
This is what happens when you give a demoKKKrat president 8 years to reshape our governmnt and/or military to his own liking. Anybody who was too righteous or too holy to vote for Mitt Romney should take note.....
Offensive and ridiculous.
Of course Catholics are extremists: look at the last two Popes they have elected, Benedict and Francis. Both reject modernizing Catholic faith, belief, doctrine and dogma to align it with modern revealations that Jesus was a married homosexual/bisexual male with illegitamate children. (sarc)
And Christian Evangelicals also hold those same extremist beliefs. (sarc)
Of course Islam, which kills homosexuals and females who look at a man they are not married to as adulters are just “doing their own cultural thing that modern secularists wont discriminate against.” NOT sarc
When’s the last time an “extremist evangelical” flew a large airplane into a building or sawed someone’s head off?
I can’t help but appreciate the irony that my communist-made rifle may one day be forced into action against Communists in America.
Not something I want, but the road ahead is awful foggy right now. Best to be prepared for anything.
The worst EO briefing I ever had to attend in the USNR was presented by a junior enlisted African immigrant with a thick accent that was very had to understand. It was standard multi-cultural tripe.
No. You are thinking of the Hutterites.
I thought that is what this inaccurate and specious collection of “radicals” was referring to.
Are the Hutteree” a separate group?
By The way, have you noticed the plethora of negative programs on the History Channel, The Learning Channel, NatGeo and others?
You know, the ones supposedly “revealing” the evil religious people, such as “Inside the Hutterites”, “Amish mafia”, “Breaking Amish”, “Cults in America”, etc?
And of course, the waves of “alternatives to the bible” series like, “Ancient Aliens”, “UFO Files”, “American Hauntings”, The Forbidden Books of the Bible”, “Celebrity Ghost Stories”, “Psychics in Law Enforcement”, “Finding Atlantis” etc etc etc.
When they finally put on a series that is actually about the Bible, the ratings go through the roof. So, IMNSHO, there is an agenda here, and it’s not money or ratings. If it were, there would be more series like the Bible and less trying to discredit it.
Well at least we know Washington is starting to fear the population enough to target the vast majority of Americans as “Extremist”.
Of course this is troubling and were I a military officer once i got done laughing Id start thinking about how i couldn’t follow an order to open fire on my own people. But i would tell no one less I never be placed in the situation to refuse.