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Toomey could be key to a deal on guns [time to hit the phones, faxes and emails]
Philly.com ^ | 4/6/2013 | Jonathan Tamari

Posted on 04/06/2013 4:44:53 AM PDT by dirtboy

WASHINGTON - Could Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey be a Republican bridge who helps secure a deal on background checks on guns?

His office confirmed Friday that Toomey, a strong Second Amendment advocate, was in discussions on pending gun bills that have struggled to gain traction with Republicans and many pro-gun Democrats in the Senate.

"Sen. Toomey and his staff are talking to a lot of folks - both in Pennsylvania and in the Capitol - on the issue of guns in the hopes that we get to an approach that works," his spokeswoman wrote in an e-mail.

There was no agreement as of Friday afternoon, and it was not immediately clear how close any deal might be. But word of Toomey's role set off intense interest in his stance from both sides of the gun debate.

Politico reported that Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.) had reached out to Toomey to try to find a GOP partner on a bill requiring background checks for gun buyers, a measure that has faltered in the face of bipartisan resistance. The website said the two senators had exchanged draft proposals since talks began Wednesday. (Toomey and Manchin previously teamed up on shared efforts on environmental and energy policy).

FShortly after news broke about the discussions on guns, Mayor Nutter and former Gov. Ed Rendell announced that they, along with the gun-control group CeaseFirePA, would gather outside Toomey's Philadelphia office Tuesday to urge him to back "commonsense gun legislation . . . especially the expansion of the background-check system."

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; ceasefirepa; dealbreaker; edrendell; guncontrol; joemanchin; mayornutter; michaelnutter; pattoomey; pennsylvania; philadelphia; secondamendment; westvirginia
Et tu, Toomey?
1 posted on 04/06/2013 4:44:53 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
PLEASE CONTACT SENATOR TOOMEY AT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING OFFICES:

ALLENTOWN, PA PH: (610) 434-1444

ERIE, PA PH: (814) 453-3010

HARRISBURG, PA PH: (717) 782-3951

JOHNSTOWN, PA PH: (814) 266-5970

PHILADELPHIA, PA PH: (215) 241-1090

PITTSBURGH, PA PH: (412) 803-3501

SCRANTON, PA PH: (570) 941-3540

WASHINGTON, D.C. PH: (202) 224-4254

2 posted on 04/06/2013 4:49:22 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: dirtboy
It's not Gun Control ...IT’s PEOPLE CONTROL call it what it is beat them at their own game!
3 posted on 04/06/2013 5:03:32 AM PDT by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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To: dirtboy
...Mayor Nutter and former Gov. Ed Rendell announced that they, along with the gun-control group CeaseFirePA, would gather outside Toomey's Philadelphia office Tuesday to urge him to back "commonsense gun legislation . . . especially the expansion of the background-check system."

Exile those bums to Cuba or North Korea for a couple decades: a good strong dose of socialism might help them get over their anti-Second Amendment bigotry.

4 posted on 04/06/2013 5:10:24 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: dirtboy
Dear Mr. Toomey:

Do you own firearms? Did you know there are over 20,000 federal, state and local gun laws? Do you know them all? Are you in full compliance with all of the laws?

Do you know if your security detail knows, and is in full compliance with all of the laws? You do know the laws change in each jurisdiction you travel, right?

Mr. Toomey, I know you are a busy man, so when you get a chance, please answer the above questions.

Thanking you in advance,

M Kehoe

5.56mm

5 posted on 04/06/2013 5:12:35 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: dirtboy

Sandy Hook may bring us universal background checks. The next mass shooting will convert these background checks into full blown registration. The next mass shooting will bring some form of confiscation.


6 posted on 04/06/2013 5:20:39 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: dirtboy

Would be nice to pout a moratorium on all new laws until the old ones are properly vetted and either purged or deemed worthy of enforcing. Also, make it a crime to propose a law that exempts politicians from it and purge all of those that currently exist - might purge the ranks of a number of career pols once the bennies dry up.


7 posted on 04/06/2013 5:56:52 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: dirtboy

Just another Pubbie politician who “bends over” without a fight.


8 posted on 04/06/2013 5:58:51 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: dirtboy

Not one dime for anyone’s re-election that votes yes on any unconstitutional laws.


9 posted on 04/06/2013 5:58:52 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: dirtboy; marktwain; neverdem; Joe Brower
UBC=NGR


10 posted on 04/06/2013 6:04:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: umgud; All

These are “Create the news you want” stories. Put out these stories to put pressure on: McCain, Toomey, Manchin, whoever you think you can sway.

I believe these are stories designed to put MSM pressure on these guys to get them to do what the MSM wants. With the new media, as illustrated by this thread, it can have the opposite effect.


11 posted on 04/06/2013 6:05:02 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: kenmcg

Proves to me even more that Santorum knew what he was doing. Santorum 2016!!!!


12 posted on 04/06/2013 6:18:24 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: dirtboy

Toomey will not cave.

If he is in talks, he is collecting information about the strength of the opposition and their intended tactics.

He will also be able to say he reached out, but they were unwilling to compromise.

It is a brilliant strategy to turn the tables and undercut Schumer.


13 posted on 04/06/2013 7:17:21 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: dirtboy

Ping for later


14 posted on 04/06/2013 7:56:14 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: dirtboy

The idiots in the Senate can posture all they want. Anything they send over to the House is DOA.


15 posted on 04/06/2013 8:12:30 AM PDT by technically right
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To: napscoordinator
Proves to me even more that Santorum knew what he was doing.

Arlen Specter was better than Toomey?

16 posted on 04/06/2013 8:51:13 AM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: dirtboy

[[Could Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey be a Republican bridge who helps secure a deal on background checks on guns?]]

If not toomey, then certainly some other sellout republican-

Gun control IS goign to sweep this nation- the ball is now rolling with colorado connecticut ny and other states ALREADY violating hte constitution- other states will see that htey got away with it without hte public fightign to retain their rights, and they too will jump on board and ANY state that doesn’t will eventually be shamed into acceptign gun control by the left- Where are the judges puttign an immediate halt to the UNSONSTITUTIONAL laws that have been passed on colo conn and ny and othe states?


17 posted on 04/06/2013 9:49:44 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: dirtboy

Yet another warning of why “fiscal conservatives” backed by the Club for Growth, who eschew “social issues” are fake conservatives, who eventually come to see the entire Constitution as a “social issue” they can ignore to perpetually remain in power.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 9:54:29 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Erik Latranyi

I like your optimism. Hope you’re right.


19 posted on 04/06/2013 11:00:12 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I like your optimism. Hope you’re right.

I know Pat Toomey. He will not betray us unless some other force is at work.

20 posted on 04/06/2013 11:15:41 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: ansel12

At the time yes. Toomey has always been fake. Gayi in the military supporter and God knows what else.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 11:17:42 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: napscoordinator

Toomey is to the left of Arlen Specter and that is why Santorum was so devoted to defeating him and keeping in Specter?


22 posted on 04/06/2013 1:13:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: ansel12

Actually Santorum new that Specter could WIN. Toomey would have lost his a$$ that election. He needed to wait for a positive easy Republican win of 2010. Toomey NEVER would have won that race that Specter won. Them are the facts there, bub.


23 posted on 04/06/2013 1:15:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: napscoordinator
He needed to wait for a positive easy Republican win of 2010.

The facts about Toomey are that I said that Santorum was "devoted to defeating him and keeping in Specter".

You didn't explain that, why was Santorum so devoted to Specter and against Toomey, that he supported Specter in 2010?

24 posted on 04/06/2013 1:55:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: knarf

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25 posted on 04/06/2013 2:09:15 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: dirtboy
This article is complete bull crap. Toomey is being hammered by gun owners from all over PA since Bloomberg started running ads against Toomey. He knows the consequences of voting for any gun control.

This article from the Inquirer is a fabrication and the idea that CeaseFirePA will change the way Toomey votes is crazy. Toomey knows well that he received very few votes from the Philadelphia area when he was elected, and those votes are from the few remaining good people left in that area. Voting for any gun control is political death wish for Toomey. Gun owners will remember their rights being striped and won't vote or him in the future. Liberals won't vote for him no matter what he does. I am certain Toomey understands that.

I hope people realize that PA's gun laws are on par of TX. There are a million active hunters in PA, and many more gun owners. That's out of a population of 12 million.

26 posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:54 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ansel12

I certainly did explain it. Toomey was a loser in 2004 and Specter won the seat. I am proud of Santorum for recognizing that Toomey would have gone down in flames in that race. At the time it was a great move, of course as an armchair analysis, you easily say it was not the right move.


27 posted on 04/06/2013 2:25:27 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

That dynamic didn’t prevent Casey from going over to gun control. It doesn’t hurt to remind Toomey of the price to be paid for doing such.


28 posted on 04/06/2013 2:32:39 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: napscoordinator

You didn’t explain it all and are not reading my posts or you would quit with the insults.

You said “He needed to wait for a positive easy Republican win of 2010”.

Why was Santorum against the conservative Toomey, and so for the hard left/pro-abortion Arlen Specter, that Santorum was supporting Specter in the 2010 election?


29 posted on 04/06/2013 2:41:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: ansel12

Ok. I will slow down.

In 2004, Specter and Toomey were in a primary. Because Toomey was unknown. Arlen was the senior senator to Pennsylvania while Santorum was the Junior Senator. The junior senator made the right decision to not go with an unknow and go with the Senior Senator of Pennsylvania ensuring a victory.

2006 a horrible year for Republicans where we lost everything.

2010 a Republican Revolution where Tommey finally had enough name recognition and easy election and he because the Junior Senator of Pennsylvania.

Hope that helps.


30 posted on 04/06/2013 4:08:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: napscoordinator

Don’t slow down so much that you never answer my question.

Why was Santorum against the conservative Toomey, and so for the hard left/pro-abortion Arlen Specter, that Santorum was supporting Specter against Toomey, in the 2010 election?


31 posted on 04/06/2013 4:17:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: ansel12

Spector was a Democrat in 2010. Toomey barely beat Sestak. Your years are so off. Bush was President when Santorum supported Spector. I am from Pennsylvania and am in the know about these things.


32 posted on 04/06/2013 5:39:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: napscoordinator

You seem glib and detailed in dismissing Santorum supporting Specter over Toomey in 2004 and barely beating him, and you choose to ignore the fact that Santorum endorsed and campaigned for Specter’s 1996 Presidential campaign to remove pro-life from the republican party.

So what would your explanation be for Santorum supporting Specter over Toomey for the 2010 election?

Will you have an explanation for that if you find out it happened?


33 posted on 04/06/2013 6:06:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: dirtboy

Toomey has always been pro-gun. If he falls on this, anyone could be bought out.


34 posted on 04/06/2013 6:08:50 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: napscoordinator
Santorum 2016!!!!

NFW.

35 posted on 04/06/2013 7:08:13 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ansel12

He didn’t support Spector in 2010 you dumbass.


36 posted on 04/07/2013 4:29:20 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: napscoordinator

Dumb would be the guy who doesn’t know that Santorum gave Specter $5,000.00 dollars for reelection for the 2010 Senate race, don’t you think?

“”Republican Presidential candidate and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum has taken heat from Presidential rivals for his 2004 endorsement of Arlen Specter over the more conservative Pat Toomey in the Republican Presidential primary. Santorum has responded that his endorsement was based upon both the electability of Specter in the general election and a promise from the Republican turned Democrat to support Bush judicial nominees.

But 2010 filings to the Federal Election Commission filings show the former Santorum was supporting Specter well after 2004.

2009 FEC filings from Rick Santorum’s PAC, America’s Foundation, show that Santorum gave $5000 to his former Senate colleague during the critical tidal wave election for Republicans. The donation was made before Specter switched parties. After the switch, Santorum’s PAC donation was returned by the Specter campaign.””


37 posted on 04/10/2013 3:24:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: ansel12

Oh brother. He gave until Specter became a Democrat. I don’t even care about that. Toomey is a DISASTER! Santorum is brilliant to support Specter especially in 2004. I hope Toomey gets his a$$ handed to him in the next election.


38 posted on 04/10/2013 4:48:00 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: napscoordinator
Oh brother. He gave until Specter became a Democrat.

Yes he did, the 2010 election. Arlen Specter. Santorum was devoted to Specter including his pro-abortion run for President in 1996

Arlen Specter announces for the White House, with endorsee, Rick Santorum at his side.
At Senator Arlen Specter’s official presidential campaign announcement in March 1995, then-Senator Rick Santorum showed his public support and encouragement of Specter by sitting directly next to him as Specter denounced the GOP’s war on abortion. It was at this event that Specter proclaimed his total opposition to social conservatism and declared he is in fact running to make the GOP pro-choice.

Santorum is seen nodding and applauding at Specter’s side:

3:46 mark: “In 1996, I intend to win the other house — the White House — with ten commitments to America… Especially a woman’s right to choose…

6:40 mark: “I pledge to lead the fight to strip the strident anti-choice language from the Republican National platform…”

17:05 mark: “neither this nation nor this party can afford a republican candidate so captive to the demands of the intolerant right...

39 posted on 04/10/2013 5:06:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: ansel12

I don’t care!!!! Told you that before. Santorum is a great conservative family man.


40 posted on 04/10/2013 6:29:36 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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41 posted on 04/10/2013 6:38:06 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: napscoordinator

You don’t care about post 39 and Santorum and Specter, and Specter’s presidential run to make the GOP a pro-abortion party, and Santorum staying devoted to the man until he finally, actually became a democrat in 2010?

I don’t get that.


42 posted on 04/10/2013 6:57:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: napscoordinator

You don’t care about post 39 and Santorum and Specter, and Specter’s presidential run to make the GOP a pro-abortion party, and Santorum staying devoted to the man until he finally, actually became a democrat in 2010?

I don’t get that.


43 posted on 04/10/2013 6:57:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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