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Dropouts: Discouraged Americans leave labor force
Associated Press ^ | Apr 6, 2013 12:03 PM EDT | Paul Wiseman and Jesse Washington

Posted on 04/06/2013 12:33:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai

After a full year of fruitless job hunting, Natasha Baebler just gave up. She’d already abandoned hope of getting work in her field, counseling the disabled. But she couldn’t land anything else, either—not even a job interview at a telephone call center. Until she feels confident enough to send out resumes again, she’ll get by on food stamps and disability checks from Social Security and live with her parents in St. Louis. …

It isn’t supposed to be this way. After a recession, an improving economy is supposed to bring people back into the job market. Instead, the number of Americans in the labor force—those who have a job or are looking for one—fell by nearly half a million people from February to March, the government said Friday. And the percentage of working-age adults in the labor force—what’s called the participation rate—fell to 63.3 percent last month. It’s the lowest such figure since May 1979. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: clowardandpiven; laborforce; liberalagenda; unemployment

1 posted on 04/06/2013 12:33:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
disability checks

? ? ?

I thought that was for people that can't work.

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2 posted on 04/06/2013 12:37:49 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Olog-hai

WTF!!!!!

WHY IS THIS TWIT GETTING DISABILITY????

I really think we should have mandatory 20 hr /week work doing public service for these lazy jerks! Like they have some local jail inmates doing; cleaning the highways, cleaning public porta-potties, sweeping the sidewalks.
that might “inspire “ this jerk to get some work.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 12:38:11 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Olog-hai

What is Natasha’s disability? Being stupid enough to vote for Obama twice? We will never get the millions of suddenly “disabled” to get off the gravy train.


4 posted on 04/06/2013 12:39:14 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Olog-hai

Who better to “counsel the disabled” than somebody receiving a disability check.


5 posted on 04/06/2013 12:40:22 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: Olog-hai

Not enough jobs for the millions that would like to work. She is not to blame but King Obama and his communists empire is!


6 posted on 04/06/2013 12:41:10 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: txrefugee

What is Natasha’s disability?

Depression and not being able to get a decent job


7 posted on 04/06/2013 12:42:20 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: FlingWingFlyer

You just can’t even make this stuff up.

She is living with her parents for crying out loud...I just can’t go on ...its all mind numbing and I drag my butt out every am —early!—to go to work!

Ha..and if you think I could find any cleaning help...forget it..they’re all on disability or welfare or unemployment.


8 posted on 04/06/2013 12:42:59 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Olog-hai
She's blind.

There goes I but for the Grace of God.

Nuff said

She's not a good example for this writing.

9 posted on 04/06/2013 12:44:21 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Logical me

Well, maybe if they cut off the gravy train and offered “work programs” like during the depression( none of which our Generation X or Y or whatever would tolerate)..these idiots would FINALLY figure out WHO is the cause of their problems.


10 posted on 04/06/2013 12:44:58 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: TLI

From the article:

>>Many older Americans who lost their jobs are finding refuge in Social Security’s disability program. Nearly 8.9 million Americans are receiving disability checks, up 1.3 million from when the recession ended in June 2009.<<

7X increase? God, it MUST be voting for obozo is classified as a mental disability!


11 posted on 04/06/2013 12:45:46 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Sacajaweau

Ok...I now take back all the nasty things I said about THIS woman. If she is blind she deserves disability..no problem at all.

But they would pick someone like this to use in the article.Yeesh.


12 posted on 04/06/2013 12:46:45 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

The pick was deliberate...a sucker punch...cute.huh...


13 posted on 04/06/2013 12:47:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: freedumb2003

SSDI is going to be insolvent in another few years anyway. I really feel for the people that are in genuine need and that it was originally designed to serve.


14 posted on 04/06/2013 12:50:26 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; txrefugee; TLI
the gal is blind... she does not want to be on disability... she has not been able to find a job... her being blind is probably hindering her as well as the lack of availability of jobs...

she is probably not a good candidate to pick up roadside trash... or even cleaning toilets... kind of weird to make her the subject of this article...

15 posted on 04/06/2013 12:51:21 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: Sacajaweau

There you go again, ruining a bunch of perfectly good rants.


16 posted on 04/06/2013 12:53:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
But they would pick someone like this to use in the article.Yeesh.

i know! journalists today are just no good... i could see if the writer tried to compare "regular Joes" who can't find a job with those who have disabilities... but the writer didn't even come from that angle...

17 posted on 04/06/2013 12:54:53 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: Graybeard58

Want to rant? Like i do? Check out the charts here:

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/employment-stagnation-non-farm-payrolls-increased-only-88k-not-in-labor-force-skyrockets-663k/


18 posted on 04/06/2013 12:58:03 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: latina4dubya

Not weird at all....deliberate.

You really can’t criticize these entitlements if the person is Blind, for crying out loud.

But what about the guys who can clearly see the Strippers in the Strip Joints using their welfare debit cards???


19 posted on 04/06/2013 12:58:37 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: txrefugee
WHY IS THIS TWIT GETTING DISABILITY????

"I'm not proud of it," says Baebler, who is in her mid-30s and is blind.
Interesting this is an AP article ... they consistently are touting the improving economy in most articles I read.

20 posted on 04/06/2013 12:58:51 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Logical me

Documentation File on the negative impact of the Obamanation Counterculture on America.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 1:04:32 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: latina4dubya

Yeah, there are others like her out there!

It would be great if Freepers would take a leaf out of their own book and give someone who wants to better themselves a chance!


22 posted on 04/06/2013 1:13:09 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Olog-hai

I think a lot of 65+ are staying in the work force keeping us 40 somethings from advancing. By the time we get our shot at the top, we will be ready for retirement. Boomers sure like to do things to screw it up for the rest of us.


23 posted on 04/06/2013 1:17:34 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: BluH2o
“Interesting this is an AP article ... they consistently are touting the improving economy in most articles I read. “

You're are correct, and this brings up another consideration. The MSM can have a huge effect on public perception of the economy, and as such can actually have real effects on the economy. We saw this, IMHO, during the Clinton administration when everyday there was a screaming headline about how incredible the economy was and how the stock market was going through the roof. This, to some extent, is self-perpetuating ‘prophesy’ by the MSM.

They've been trying to do the same for Obama, and despite their best efforts we are in such a bad way that they aren't having any economic impact with their faux news, and they have had to find new creative ways to not report accurately the carnage.

24 posted on 04/06/2013 1:23:19 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Olog-hai
Has anyone done the math to see how much money a person who worked would have to 'set aside' and invest wisely to get the same return Social Security Disability scammers get? I'm guessing in the $800,000 range...

Lowlifes are bankrupting the country - but they are reliable democrat voters ... We can expect to see lots of pity party stories from the press about people who really are disabled to shore up all the loot going to scammers. Remember the guy who was 'disabled' because he got turned on by wearing diapers? His kinky girlfriend qualified too - she had to stay home to 'change' him. Whole families are jumping on this bandwagon... but the dem press won't cover that part...

Not only are million scamming the system, but they're destroying it for people who really are disabled.

When the system collapses the scammers will move on to the next scam - the elderly and truly disabled will die.

Yeah, we're totally charmed with liberal 'compassion'.

25 posted on 04/06/2013 1:26:12 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Olog-hai
Has anyone done the math to see how much money a person who worked would have to 'set aside' and invest wisely to get the same return Social Security Disability scammers get? I'm guessing in the $800,000 range...

Lowlifes are bankrupting the country - but they are reliable democrat voters ... We can expect to see lots of pity party stories from the press about people who really are disabled to shore up all the loot going to scammers. Remember the guy who was 'disabled' because he got turned on by wearing diapers? His kinky girlfriend qualified too - she had to stay home to 'change' him. Whole families are jumping on this bandwagon... but the dem press won't cover that part...

Not only are million scamming the system, but they're destroying it for people who really are disabled.

When the system collapses the scammers will move on to the next scam - the elderly and truly disabled will die.

Yeah, we're totally charmed with liberal 'compassion'.

Paul Wiseman and Jesse Washington need to get a clue... and write something outside the liberal mantra...

26 posted on 04/06/2013 1:27:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: napscoordinator
I think a lot of 65+ are staying in the work force keeping us 40 somethings from advancing. By the time we get our shot at the top, we will be ready for retirement. Boomers sure like to do things to screw it up for the rest of us.

Boomers paid full freight into FICA. Their parents got the benefit of paying little into the system but collecting the full payout. The system is going to go broke tying to payout on the boomers. It'll end with boomers stuck with nothing. Now comes the next generation brat who thinks boomers keep jobs from him. If you're in your 40's and you can't advance it's because you aren't competing as hard as the other guy. if a boomer has a job you want, then work harder. Stop whining.

27 posted on 04/06/2013 1:33:04 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Olog-hai

Oh but there are jobs! just look at all those employers falling over themselves to get “h1b” visas for non-Americans! All those jobs that 0 is starting for people to help the “oppressed” get on 0bamacare. People to work in the 0bamaphone store to give away free phones to the “oppressed”


28 posted on 04/06/2013 1:37:17 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: GOPJ

Average SSDI payments are around $1200/month. Average SS payments are $1500/month.

There are a lot of annuity calculators out there, but it seems like those amounts would require half or less than half of $800k.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 1:39:10 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
She is living with her parents for crying out loud...I just can’t go on ...its all mind numbing and I drag my butt out every am —early!—to go to work!

Good for you; you have a job.
I kinda don't. [I technically have one, sub-subcontracting some programming, but only get maybe 18 hr/mo.]
I'll second the discouragement angle: it's hard to get a job. My degree is in computer science, yet most hiring companies want "X years of experience in the industry" -- so by default I'm not technically eligible for most job-postings I've seen (I graduated in 2010 and now have about two years total experience with about only half of that being full-time work).

30 posted on 04/06/2013 1:41:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: napscoordinator

“I think a lot of 65+ are staying in the work force keeping us 40 somethings from advancing. By the time we get our shot at the top, we will be ready for retirement. Boomers sure like to do things to screw it up for the rest of us.”

Be careful; many of those 65+ people can’t afford to retire (and have a right to work), and many 20+ people are saying that about us 40+ people...


31 posted on 04/06/2013 1:45:05 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: OneWingedShark

The IT department in my company is Hispanic & Indian, with an American boss. Tech, like financial fields, are simply having wages pressured downwards by importing “replacement Americans” to do the work. Our external auditor sent 4 people to our firm; they included an Indian, a Filipino, a Canadian, and an American.

There is no shortage of Americans with accounting degrees, or even work experience; they were laid off BECAUSE OF that experience (and the wages it commanded).


32 posted on 04/06/2013 1:48:38 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: BluH2o

Bingo. Here’s where the hive-mind shows itself:

“After a recession, an improving economy is supposed to bring people back into the job market.”

They want us to believe that the recession is over and the economy is improving. I’ll say it again, the only real employment number that matters is the Labor Force Participation Rate — which is only going down to what we saw on Friday is now at levels not seen since 1979.


33 posted on 04/06/2013 1:55:29 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: GOPJ

Yes what you descirbe is Makers vs Takers. And it’s a huge problem for the Makers.

However, everyone is screwed by big banks, fiat money, and fractional reserve lending policies. You have huge banks that can (and have which have led to our problems) literally create recessions and depressions just by changing lending policy. We had totally fine businesses that died because banks turned off the credit to THEM - healthy businesses that routinely used credit to buy materials that would sell as products.

On top of that throw in the politicians who forced banks to make loans they’d never have made because people weren’t going to pay them back. Blame the banks again for making derivatives and derivatives of derivatives and being able to market them as “products” when they were just vapor speculations about what real products or commodities would do.

The whole fiat money system is a joke. More places around the world are dropping the dollar. That tells you what the “confidence” in it is, and it’s dropping. When you can create money out of thin air (fractional reserve lending) without anything benhind it. When it’s admitted this money system only works when there’s debt. When the banks can turn the economy upside down stopping lending or raising rates so high nobody will do it, even when bailed out - they just sat on the money. All the places that use normal credit for operating, which isn’t hard in businesses that continually turnover inventory - they all tank. Even the good ones. Banks made hardly any exceptions for even the companies in good shape.


34 posted on 04/06/2013 2:29:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Plenty of boomers have already been on the system for years. Disability and whatnot. The problem is ponzi schemes can’t work forever because the colleting base becomes too big unless the new base is bigger than them.

The boomers are the largest generation upcoming. There’s not enough working (or work) to cover that. Ponzi scheme will collapse.

Personally I did not have a choice to be in SS or not. My parents signed me into this contract and I have no way of getting out of it. talk about invalid contracts. They provide no way of people ever leaving and you can be stuck in it by someone else. If it was any other contract people would be fighting against it tooth and nail.


35 posted on 04/06/2013 2:36:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: jjotto
Ummm, I was in a Social Security office a few years ago and over half the people in the waiting room were in their late twenties - early thirties. Many looked like gang bangers... Some of these people will be collecting for the next 50 to 60 - maybe 70 years. It's takes a lot more than $800,000 to create $1,200 a month for 50 years.

Plus they're destroying a system designed to help people who really are disabled... That's awful. The United States is broke - crippling people with this kind of dependency is nuts.

36 posted on 04/06/2013 2:37:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Olog-hai

I was laid off in 09. I was one week from my 50th birthday. All through my life I had been laid off several times, and each time I was able to find a job before the first unemployment check came in. Not this time. After awhile, and some financial re arranging, I called it quits. Screw it. If we are going to be a socialist country, I damned sure aint pulling the wagon anymore! Don’t worry freepers, I am getting no support from the government. Farm is paid for, wife went to part time, and we are living off investments and rental property. My way of going Galt in a small way.


37 posted on 04/06/2013 2:55:32 PM PDT by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: txrefugee

“What is Natasha’s disability? Being stupid enough to vote for Obama twice?”

Yes! Disability also applies to the mentally-challenged liberal Dumocraps.


38 posted on 04/06/2013 2:57:13 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai

The word discouraged is propaganda

A better word is enticed. That is rather than work, they are enticed to hire a lawyer to push through their phony disability claim.

It will be the task of a republican president to expose the slackers and jail the lawyers


39 posted on 04/06/2013 3:02:01 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Olog-hai
Count me among those who just gave up after 3 years.

But, I'm living off my own savings.

40 posted on 04/06/2013 3:21:27 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: GOPJ

Yes, all of Social Security is now a welfare program. SSDI is doubly damaging because there isn’t even the phony accounting entry “paid in”.

BTW, a $400k 60-year annuity at 3% will indeed yield around $1200/month, but that’s almost meaningless given the inflation coming.


41 posted on 04/06/2013 3:32:16 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

AP, nuff said.


42 posted on 04/06/2013 3:49:52 PM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like Marx Dayton, the "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: Olog-hai

“Leaving the labor force” is how they rig the numbers. You’re still unemployed, but now they don’t have to count you.

Also, what about new graduates from high school or college who can’t find work? You’ve never been in the work force, so again they don’t have to count you.

And if you have a trick knee, but you’ve always worked in spite of it, but now no one is hiring so you take disability (because $1200 is better than nothing) again, now they don’t have to count you.


43 posted on 04/06/2013 3:51:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: Secret Agent Man
Personally I did not have a choice to be in SS or not. My parents signed me into this contract and I have no way of getting out of it. talk about invalid contracts. They provide no way of people ever leaving and you can be stuck in it by someone else. If it was any other contract people would be fighting against it tooth and nail.

You bring up a good point: my Social Security card was signed by my father (I have it somewhere) -- therefore, wouldn't the SS-witholdings constitute a state of involuntary servitude?

44 posted on 04/06/2013 4:42:38 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

it’s not servitude as much as it is an involuntary contract. one you cannot get out of even if you never agreed to it in the first place.

if it was anything else courts would apply thousands of years of standing contract law and tens of millions of people would be free to leave social security and get what they paid in involuntarily, back.


45 posted on 04/06/2013 5:31:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Sacajaweau

She did not prepare for a good career, however. This country is awash in counselors, and it is a non-productive job. Now, it may be important to some folks, but it does not create wealth.


46 posted on 04/06/2013 8:50:44 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Olog-hai
It isn’t supposed to be this way. After a recession, an improving economy is supposed to bring people back into the job market. Instead, the number of Americans in the labor force—those who have a job or are looking for one—fell by nearly half a million people from February to March, the government said Friday.

Well duh, AP, this has been the story of the entire "recovery" from the beginning - the drop in the unemployment rate has been almost entirely from the dramatic drop in people looking for work. Yet it has been reported by the press with great fanfare as being an a huge economic recovery from this "drop in unemployment" to help Obama get re-elected - but in doing so you sure didn't help anybody else.

47 posted on 04/06/2013 9:46:25 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Olog-hai
She’d already abandoned hope of getting work in her field, counseling the disabled.

Wow - if she can't get a job counseling the disabled, there really are no jobs out there - the "disabled" list is really long and even includes those who wear eyeglasses....Maybe she should have majored in handing out freebies to the lazy and useless; I hear that is a booming industry with a lot of potential.

48 posted on 04/07/2013 3:40:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Olog-hai
After a recession, an improving economy is supposed to bring people back into the job market. Instead, the number of Americans in the labor force—those who have a job or are looking for one—fell by nearly half a million people from February to March, the government said Friday

Ok...now that everyone is over their rant about the disabled woman, who is blind, wanting a job...getting disability...

Let's look at what is really going on here. Historically, after every recession America brings fresh and new ideas to the market place. Be it cars, computers, Internet we always recover on the back of some new or greatly improved technology or idea. It is not happening this time or hasn't revealed itself quite yet. So, once must look for the underlying reasons.

Millions have dropped out of the labor force. People who look for jobs, who want jobs, are normally the victims of the "mother of invention." So why not for this recovery?

There are a number of factors that play in to this new model. First is the education system. The push to get people into career paths be it through college or some vocational 2 year programs actually results in a diminished capacity to problem solve, daydream, and creates career ruts for what now appears to be millions of Americans. They have essentially learned to do one thing and can't do anything else. The education of several generations has failed to teach the life skills in order to survive life's ups and downs. To think critically and outside the box in order to survive in times like this and to flourish in times of prosperity.

Second, government regulations are daunting things to navigate. I believe this is the reason many people shy away from starting their own businesses vs. going on the government dole. Government regulation and enforcement has snuffed out the American Dream. So the narrowly educated person in the first consideration who would have maybe struck out on their own, finds a system in place the proves to be not only be daunting, but impossible to legally navigate. And if they do attempt it, find even at the smallest of businesses the taxes are overwhelming for the effort put forth to produce work, income, and jobs.

Lastly, while some here may not agree, in fact you may vehemently disagree. These people have essentially gone Galt to a degree. They have simply chosen to not participate in a system that fails to reward productivity. Creating work for oneself, self-employment, is never easy and it gets more difficult everyday as layer upon layer of regulation, fee, and taxes are heaped upon the heads of those who choose to be productive. The question truly becomes...'why participate?'

Lastly, as a conservative am I any different than the rest of the folks who simply have chosen to not participate in this system anymore? A few weeks ago I mentioned my taxes were done and the accountant told me to take my tax return down to the benefits office and go get some of my money back in the form of government benefits.

Who is John Galt now?

49 posted on 04/07/2013 4:18:53 AM PDT by EBH
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To: jjotto

So each of these people are living like they had worked and saved $400,000? Must be nice. Guess we’re the fools...


50 posted on 04/07/2013 9:17:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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