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Sen. Coburn Drafts His Own Gun Bill
wsj.com ^ | 5 April, 2013 | Kristina Peterson

Posted on 04/06/2013 6:33:03 PM PDT by marktwain

Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) is quietly circulating his own proposal for expanding gun-sale background checks, a sign that the conservative lawmaker may be trying to build support outside of long-running bipartisan negotiations on the issue.

After struggling for months to reach a deal with Democrats on how to broaden background checks, Mr. Coburn has written a 43-page draft of a bill that wouldn’t require private gun sellers to keep a paper record of the sale, according to a copy of the proposal.

Dropping the record-keeping requirement would make it difficult for Democrats to support the bill, according to individuals familiar with the negotiations. Democrats have argued there is no way to enforce the checks without some form of documentation.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: backgroundcheck; banglist; coburn; guncontrol; secondamendment
Lots of ways to enforce background checks without documentation. Do sting buys at gun shows.

Have a system where people do a background check on themselves, good for a month, and they can buy any gun they want by showing the seller a printout proving that they are elegible. No records to any gun, or that a sale ever took place, but a record that the buyer was elegible.

Use the BIDS system instead of the NICS system. People check a database of prohibited persons. If the buyer is not on it, you can make the sale. The data base is refreshed every month and made available on disk or over the internet.

The left wants this for a registration system and routinely lies about it.

1 posted on 04/06/2013 6:33:03 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Sure, the Democrat gun-grabbers want to have a government record of who has guns. What could possibly go wrong with that?


2 posted on 04/06/2013 6:37:30 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: marktwain

Why do we need background checks? Why can’t we use the same system voters use? Instead of verifying your citizenship and residency at the bottom of the form, you sign at the bottom certifying that you are not a criminal or crazy. If it works for the voters, surely it would work for gun buyers.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 6:38:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: marktwain

Any such legislation infringes upon my God given right to bear arms.

Any knife in the back of the American citizen will have an R carved into its handle, this I have come to learn.

*spits on the ground*


4 posted on 04/06/2013 6:42:13 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Do away with background checks and restrictions altogether.

Anything else is simply losing slower.


5 posted on 04/06/2013 6:43:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; All
“Why do we need background checks?”

We don't. They are a failed paradigm. From the beginning, they were designed to morph into a national registration system. We fought that, but it has been inching forward, bit by bit.

We should shuck the whole system and start over. It is expensive and not cost effective. The only thing it accomplishes with regularity, is to deny people their Constitutional rights. Most denials are false positives.

6 posted on 04/06/2013 6:43:53 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

****Do sting buys at gun shows. *****

The instant the feds make the sting word will get out. Yell “FED AGENT!” and see how fast they are surrounded by 10,000 very unfriendly gun show patrons.


7 posted on 04/06/2013 6:47:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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To: marktwain

Great ideas in reply #1 Mark.

Unfortunately, none of them will be used because they make too much sense and don’t provide for the hiring of several thousand more government goon union members.


8 posted on 04/06/2013 6:48:33 PM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: marktwain

Any man too dangerous to own a gun is a man too dangerous to walk free. If we stop letting violent criminals out of prison, they wouldn’t be able to ignore gun laws that say they can’t have them.


9 posted on 04/06/2013 6:49:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

it’s time to take control of the issue and call it what it really is “People Control”!


10 posted on 04/06/2013 6:53:59 PM PDT by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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To: marktwain

Guns are NOT a major issue in America. Our moral and economic decline need to be addressed.

LET’S DROP THIS CRAP ABOUT GUNS.


11 posted on 04/06/2013 7:13:35 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: marktwain
Dropping the record-keeping requirement would make it difficult for Democrats to support the bill, according to individuals familiar with the negotiations.
Democrats have argued there is no way to enforce the checks without some form of documentation.

The Democrats tip their hand here. They'll give on any other part of gun legislation except THE LIST. With a current, comprehensive list of ALL gun owners, we're one Sandy Hook - style massacre away from confiscation.

But we all know that, right?

12 posted on 04/06/2013 7:14:46 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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To: jrd
You raise a very good point and Sarah Palin proved how effective that could be much to the consternation of the left (Death Panels). I think people control is too broad since that is the entire leftist agenda but I'm sure we can come up with something that hits home and resonates that will also drive the left bonkers.
13 posted on 04/06/2013 7:15:41 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: marktwain
When are we going to have mandatory background checks, with
public disclosure, on people who run for public office?
14 posted on 04/06/2013 7:16:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: SoFloFreeper; All

“Guns are NOT a major issue in America. Our moral and economic decline need to be addressed.”

I understand what you are saying. However, I disagree with your assessment of the situation.

Guns are a pivot point that represent adherence to the Constitution and limited Government. Nearly everyone can understand the clear guarantee of the Second Amendment, and cut through the MSM propaganda to realize that the Constitution is being attacked.

In 1994 this issue,combined with health care, won the congress for Republicans for the first time in 40 years. They put through some important reforms before they were beaten back by the efforts of the MSM.

People need a standard that they can easily understand. Guns and the Second Amendment are that standard.


15 posted on 04/06/2013 7:19:06 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Unfortunately, this CRAP is about the Constitution and it is being attacked on every front and must be defended with a counterattack on every front. If you surrender the initiative on one front and lose it, it merely encourages more vicious attacks on other fronts.
16 posted on 04/06/2013 7:26:04 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: marktwain

As a general strategy if the GOP can LOOK like they are compromising while inserting poison pills in the bill so Dems defeat them then they have hurt Obama and the Dems effectively at no cost,

Time will tell if this is what they are up to.

If Dems agree and it passes chances are we were screwed.


17 posted on 04/06/2013 7:44:21 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: marktwain

I do not want any background checks. I should not have to seek and pay for permission of the government for a God given right.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 7:44:36 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: marktwain
Democrats have argued there is no way to enforce the checks without some form of documentation.

What they mean is that without a required paper trail, simple possession of a firearm will still be presumable legal act.

The moment there is a requirement for a permanent record of every firearms transfer, the possession of any firearm manufactured after that date becomes an illegal act, for which the existence of the proper paperwork becomes an affirmative defense.

We will have changed the presumption of innocence, Instead of possession of a firearm being legal, except in specific circumstances as specified by law, possession of a firearm will be illegal, unless the proper paperwork was created, and hasn't been lost.

This is simply not something we can accept.

19 posted on 04/06/2013 8:19:28 PM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege

“What they mean is that without a required paper trail, simple possession of a firearm will still be presumable legal act.

The moment there is a requirement for a permanent record of every firearms transfer, the possession of any firearm manufactured after that date becomes an illegal act, for which the existence of the proper paperwork becomes an affirmative defense.

We will have changed the presumption of innocence, Instead of possession of a firearm being legal, except in specific circumstances as specified by law, possession of a firearm will be illegal, unless the proper paperwork was created, and hasn’t been lost.

This is simply not something we can accept.”

Exactly correct. They will have turned a right into a priviledge that they can whittle away at.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/gun-registration-is-gun-confiscation.html


20 posted on 04/06/2013 8:28:19 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

“Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.),” Democrat—same thing. No more anti-Second-Amendment laws. No compromises. Many existing laws need to be repealed.

Senator Tom Coburn, Republican, should be concentrating more on cutting government spending, especially pork.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 8:32:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: sickoflibs

Coburn has been squishy on many things. He, like many Republicans, seems to have this absurd desire to get along with the Democrats. We don’t send Republicans to D.C. to play nice with people who spend every waking minute devising new ways to deprive us of our rights and property.

Sen. Coburn, drop the whole thing! We don’t need any new gun laws.


22 posted on 04/06/2013 8:32:47 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX
RE :”Sen. Coburn, drop the whole thing! We don’t need any new gun laws.”

Like I said, if nothing gets passed because the Senate Dems reject the offer then the GOP has scored a huge hit on Obama and Dems.(regarding background checks )

If Dems accept it and it passes then its a sellout.

Immigration is a great example. If the GOP rejects citizenship the Dems will kill its.

23 posted on 04/06/2013 8:40:22 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Pining_4_TX; All
Senator Coburn is likely maneuvering. He knows how to play the game.

He is the Senator who maneuvered Barack Obama into signing the law that removed 70 years of prohibitions of firearms in Federal lands, particularly parks.

He is a smart guy, and he would not have expended as much political capitol on the guns in parks bill if he was not on our side. http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2009/05/20/credit-card-bill-allows-guns-in-national-parks.htm

24 posted on 04/06/2013 8:40:31 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

You have more faith in him than I do. I hope you are correct.


25 posted on 04/06/2013 8:46:34 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Stings —
They just collect evidence for the attempted stings that go their way.
Then serve arrest warrants later.
This is how our local PD does booze for underage kids stings.
One fine day all the Quicky-Marts get served one after the other.


26 posted on 04/06/2013 9:00:49 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: jdege

Very well put!


27 posted on 04/06/2013 9:26:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: marktwain
After struggling for months to reach a deal with Democrats on how to broaden background checks, Mr. Coburn has written a 43-page draft of a bill that wouldn’t require private gun sellers to keep a paper record of the sale, according to a copy of the proposal.

I generally like Sen Tom Coburn, but in this case, he is almost as idiotic as the gun-grabbing democRAT libturds. Why in the world is he conspiring with the liberal socialist gun-grabbing demTurds?

WTH, will this stop any inner city criminal thugs or hoodies from committing shooting crimes? Will they comply with this? Will any criminals be willing to participate in any aspect of this?

The answer to these questions is of course, ABSOLUTELY NOT! The only people who will be affected by this legislation, will of course by only LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

ANY information given to any gubmint agency can & will be used against you. So Sen Tom Coburn, my response is ABSOLUTELY NO!

28 posted on 04/06/2013 9:48:32 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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Coburn wants us to believe a government promise that private sellers won’t later be told they have to keep a record of the sale or send a record to a government repository? That government won’t make a record of your call listing your name and the name of the person to whom you are transferring the firearm. This on the same day the ATF put in the Federal Register a notice it wants to access all federal data on addresses, phone #s, tax records, finance transactions, criminal records & mental treatment records? Promise me a free trip to the Moon too.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 10:37:57 PM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: marktwain

Dr. Coburn used to be a great Senator, then in 2008 he went hard left. Maybe if you are in the Senate long enough that happens. He should have gotten out before he lost his soul.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 12:04:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SoFloFreeper

So we should just let the 2A get shredded? That is your argument?


31 posted on 04/07/2013 1:54:38 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA; All

No....sorry I have been misunderstood. Let me try to be more precise even though it’ll take a little more space. :)

Why are Republican senators even OFFERING a “gun control” bill anyway? The message just needs to be sent, loud and clear to the Assclown and his gun-grabbing friends, “THIS ISSUE IS OFF THE TABLE. DON’T EVEN BOTHER BRINGING IT UP. WE ARE NOT NEGOTIATING ANYTHING.”

This is the SAME exact thing Nazi Pelozi did when George W. Bush tried to save Social Security. No conversations, no debate, she just shut down any discussion—and blocked EVERYTHING that had to do with the issue. Bush had to do “town hall” meetings and that fizzled.

Same thing we need to do with the Assclown. Just go before the cameras everytime he does a town hall and nay-say his remarks. And REFUSE to offer bills or discuss them.

That was my point. I was a little ticked off Coburn is even OFFERING anything.


32 posted on 04/07/2013 6:44:25 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: marktwain; trubolotta

see post 32 please. :)


33 posted on 04/07/2013 6:45:12 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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