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Matthew Warren Dies: Self-Inflicted Gun Wound Apparent Cause of Death of Pastor Rick Warren's Son
LatinosPost.com ^ | 4/6/2013 | Erik Derr

Posted on 04/06/2013 7:38:14 PM PDT by South40

A few more details have been released about the apparent suicide of Matthew Warren, the 27-year-old son of Pastor Rick Warren, the popular evangelical leader of the Saddleback Valley Community mega-church in Southern California.

The Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's Department has announced Matthew Warren was found dead of what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his home in Mission Viejo, Calif.

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The 59-year-old pastor is the author of "The Purpose Driven Life," which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide, the church's website says --- making the book the bestselling hardback non-fiction book of all time and the second most-translated book in the world, after the Bible.

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1 posted on 04/06/2013 7:38:14 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

A sad situation. I’m sorry for the family and pray for them.


2 posted on 04/06/2013 7:43:23 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: South40

sad. Praying for the Warren Family.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 7:44:03 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: South40

Prayers for Rick and Kay. What an awful thing.


4 posted on 04/06/2013 7:48:26 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: South40
Vy sad...but need details as to why he did this.

Yes, I am a heartless Mofo.

But I want to know why such a thing happened.

Rick had fallen away from the strict interpretation of the Word (or so I hear).

Wonder what the son's suicide was all about?

5 posted on 04/06/2013 7:51:14 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: RoosterRedux
Vy sad...but need details as to why he did this. Yes, I am a heartless Mofo.

Me too. You're in good company.

6 posted on 04/06/2013 7:53:56 PM PDT by dragonblustar (2 Peter 3:18)
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To: RoosterRedux
Wonder what the son's suicide was all about?

Drugs or "sexual identity" issues, or both.

Just an educated guess.

7 posted on 04/06/2013 7:55:57 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I read he had mental illness of some sort


8 posted on 04/06/2013 7:56:57 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: South40

Speaking of life-changing events, this is one that can really strike home.


9 posted on 04/06/2013 7:57:53 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: RoosterRedux

He suffered from a mental illness for years.
I truly understand this as I have a grandson that suffers terribly with depression and mental illness.

Although I do not agree with Rick Warren’s theology, let’s not blame this sad death on that. My understanding is Matthew was a sweet young man that dealt with deep depression.
Greg Laurie wrote about the years of that depression today on Twitter.

Let’s hold judgement and stop thinking the worst.


10 posted on 04/06/2013 7:57:57 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: South40

They said he struggled with mental illness and depression. That is often enough. Having gone to a funeral for someone who killed himself just yesterday, I feel for his family. I can’t imagine anyone saying anything cruel under these tragic circumstances, no matter how you feel about Rick Warren.


11 posted on 04/06/2013 7:58:34 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

AMEN !!!!!


12 posted on 04/06/2013 7:59:22 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: South40

Did he play football and have a concussion?


13 posted on 04/06/2013 7:59:49 PM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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To: RoosterRedux

If he did.

These are dangerous times.


14 posted on 04/06/2013 8:00:22 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: South40

Sad thing. Prayers to them.

On a side note, as a gun owner and member of the NRA I just know this will end up being my fault somehow.


15 posted on 04/06/2013 8:00:25 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: ilovesarah2012

Thank you for the kind and wise words.


16 posted on 04/06/2013 8:01:09 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: South40

My heart breaks for the family


17 posted on 04/06/2013 8:01:25 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: pollywog

What is his theology now? I thought his Purpose Driven Life was ok.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 8:03:15 PM PDT by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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To: Hardraade

Yes. These are dangerous times.


19 posted on 04/06/2013 8:04:31 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: MNDude

Suicide is the antithesis of the Purpose Driven Life.

Suicide is the ultimate act of selfisheness, all about “me”.


20 posted on 04/06/2013 8:06:04 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: RoosterRedux

From what I’ve read, he suffrered with depression most of his life, even when he was a boy.
Sounded like they tried about everything to help him.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 8:07:43 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: RoosterRedux

Very scary times, indeed.


22 posted on 04/06/2013 8:07:47 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: South40

MY SIL’s family has attended this congregation.


23 posted on 04/06/2013 8:09:00 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: RoosterRedux
Yes, I am a heartless Mofo.

Not.

What you ask is 100% reasonable. I agree with with you. But heartless Mofo you aint. The truth is a beautiful thing.

24 posted on 04/06/2013 8:10:12 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: MNDude
I think the problem with "The Purpose Driven Life" is that God's purpose for us is not always clear.

God walks us out onto a plank and says jump.

We do not understand His purpose...

He demands our obedience... not our comprehension of his purpose for us.

I suggest a reading of Oswald Chambers to cleanse the palate of those who suggest we serve His purpose.

25 posted on 04/06/2013 8:12:10 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: MNDude

We did Purpose Driven LIfe study here in our home with a group of neighbors. It was through that study that our friend came to know The Lord.
I don’t argue with PDL...since then Warren has gone off the edge in dodging sin as sin....

But I really don’t think this is the thread to go theological.

For now, I sincerely pray for this distraught family and pray that God will use it somehow to His Glory...


26 posted on 04/06/2013 8:13:35 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: South40

Depression is messed up brain chemistry. The kid, his family—nobody would wish it upon anybody else.

People commit suicide from this condition. Medicine can treat, but cannot cure it.

My sister has sufferd from depression all her adult life. She does not drink, use drugs ever, at all.

When they get the prescription right, she is okay most of the time. But from time to time, the condition goes into a phase which must just be endured, waited out.

It is times like that when they cannot take it any longer, and off themselves. (NO, I don’t “approve” but I accept)

It has nothing to do with satan, or that ignorant line of nonsense.


27 posted on 04/06/2013 8:14:55 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Doomonyou
Thx for the support. God bless you for your kindness of intellect and spirit.

Let's hang tough! Your friend.

28 posted on 04/06/2013 8:16:25 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Maelstorm

Very sad situation. So terrible.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 8:17:07 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: truth_seeker

I so understand. I have a nephew and grandson both with it.
It is the most difficult illness to understand.


30 posted on 04/06/2013 8:21:16 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: South40
Here, let's save some trouble for the rude judgmentalists and faux Christians. I'll go ahead and put it in writing so they won't have to put forth the empathy effort.

- His faith in Jesus wasn't strong enough and he didn't pray often enough.
- He was taking SSRIs, the tools of Satan, and it's a miracle he didn't kill his entire family.
- He was taking SNRIs, a scheme of Big Pharma to kill us all and take all our money.
- His family and friends should have seen the signs, and thus prevented it. They must not care about him.
- His family should have committed him to a mental hospital, and if that didn't help, put him in a straight-jacket and lock him in the basement.
- He wasn't loved as a child.
- He was loved too much as a child and was probably sick of being smothered.
- He was probably a liberal and wanted to help the gun-control freaks.
- I heard he was a freakin' fag. No wonder he offed himself. Good riddance.
- Oh, dear. Bless his heart. Well, I'll pray for his family but it's too late for him because he's burning in a lake of fire and brimstone.
- He wasn't sanctified, poor man, or else he would have been healed.
- His father strayed away from God, so this was his father's punishment.

What did I leave out?

31 posted on 04/06/2013 8:30:33 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: lightman
—>>Suicide is the ultimate act of selfisheness, all about “me”.

I have to disagree. Not in all cases because humans are very different. Some struggle with depression and mental illness for years. They just cannot cope. My hubby and I use to help and volunteer to help run away young teens. It can be very complex at times. Nothing will reach some. I think it's a wrong decision to do but some people you cannot reach before it's too late. Though, some cases will choose this for attention making it spiral to a situation they cannot/will not control. I always wonder why they don't love themselves since we all are special temple of God though I realize we are all different. Sad way to end one's life by their own hand.

32 posted on 04/06/2013 8:33:08 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: RoosterRedux

“We do not understand His purpose..”

Some people understand His purpose.

Worship Him.


33 posted on 04/06/2013 8:42:12 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: Christie at the beach
Suicide is tragic because it is the epitome of the in curvatus in se (curved in on oneself) which is the nature of all human sin. The depressed person is overwhelmed and sees his/herself as not the center of the universe, but the entire universe. There is nothing else, no One else...and ultimately little concern for the (literal) hell that will be unleashed for the family, friends, co-workers, etc who are left behind, let alone for the emergency responders who encounter the carnage.
34 posted on 04/06/2013 8:42:51 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Nita Nupress
You left out:
"he was being punished for his father's sins"
"he wasn't one of God's chosen elect from the beginning of time"
"We love him and his family and that's why we care enough to tell them what sinners they are"
35 posted on 04/06/2013 8:43:23 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Nita Nupress
‘Oh, karma’: Ghouls rush to blame Rick Warren for son’s suicide

As more and more news outlets report the tragic death of Pastor Rick Warren’s son, it’s clear that no one knows anything beyond what Warren revealed in an email to staff announcing the suicide. We’re certain that even Warren, who wrote that son Matthew decided to take his own life “in spite of America’s best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing,” is asking why such a tragedy had to happen. While some are simply asking the questions that anyone might ask, many ghouls are laying blame at the feet of Warren himself.

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Blogger Sooper Mexican did his best to compile some of the most offensive remarks before they were deleted, but sadly, we don’t imagine there will be a shortage of new ones any time soon as long as Christians are involved.


36 posted on 04/06/2013 8:46:40 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: South40

Purpose driven projectile. Tragic.


37 posted on 04/06/2013 8:46:48 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: South40

May he RIP and may his family be consoled by their Christian beliefs.


38 posted on 04/06/2013 8:48:44 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: lightman
I am not judging others and personally I don't have all of the answers. Yes, I think it is a sin to do this and I think it's wrong. And you are leaving out one thing, improper medications and not having proper help can also trigger a wrong decision. These cases are not all cut n dry as you seem to think.
39 posted on 04/06/2013 8:49:11 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: lightman

Interesting perspective. Mine is somewhat different. Here’s what I just posted on another thread (I’m repeating myself.) We were discussing slow suicide, that is wholly approved by the yawning, indifferent society (listen to Eleanor Rigby, which explains it sufficiently well), versus a quick suicide. Here’s my famous quote:

Those who do it the quick method don’t deserve our condemnation. It is not they who are “selfish” (as if the dead could be selfish!), it is we, poor things (selfish), who blame the suicides for hurting our precious feelings, when it was ultimately we who failed them!


40 posted on 04/06/2013 8:50:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Thanks for the wise words. Incredibly sad when this happens. I can’t imagine what this is like as a parent.

Having had way too much misfortune in my life recently; my empathy level is at a much different place than it used to be. People sometimes have a lot put on their plate that they don’t ask for.


41 posted on 04/06/2013 8:50:40 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (ok)
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To: Christie at the beach

Well said, Christie. Thank you.


42 posted on 04/06/2013 8:51:12 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Doomonyou

I imagine the brady bunch is grinning from ear to ear and high fivin’ each other. High profile suicide. They gotta love it. Assholes. Cryin’ on the outside grinnin’ in public.


43 posted on 04/06/2013 8:51:48 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: kjam22

I like! Especially that last one.


44 posted on 04/06/2013 8:53:25 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: South40

Had a close relative who committed suicide. VERY difficult times for us as people were so judgmental of us as a family. The cause of death was bad enough.....but the community that shunned us REALLY left not only a scar....but a ditch from their heartless comments and some who didn’t show up to the funeral. We really found out who our “friends” were. And there weren’t many. Even friends I had all the way from childhood.

Prayers up for them. Not a huge fan of Warren, but this has to have him and his family absolutely gutted and heartbroken. I can’t even imagine losing a child this way.


45 posted on 04/06/2013 9:00:19 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Revolting cat!; Christie at the beach

We are all sinners, all selfish...differing only in degree, manifesting in ways as diverse as our fingerprints.

These situations are not cut and dried...I use the analogy of the many fibers and strands braided together to form the rope of one who has committed suicide by hanging.

Medicaiton or lack thereof is a fiber. So is each relationship, so is each self-perceived (or actual) failure. There may be a final trigger but that is still only one of many fibers.


46 posted on 04/06/2013 9:05:37 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Bratch

So, Christians are saying he was a ‘fag’ so that’s why he killed himself — because he could never be happy — and because his father was an apostate and is being punished.

And gay people are hoping he was gay so they can accuse Rick of killing him, and they hope Rick is punished by being guilt-ridden for life.

What happened to good ‘ol empathy in this world?

Thanks for the link. That was enlightening.


47 posted on 04/06/2013 9:07:20 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: truth_seeker

I think sometimes people who suffer from severe depression often think they are a burden to the people around them and that everyone would be better off if they were not in the picture anyone. That person thinks they are doing everyone a favor by taking their life, when in reality the opposite is true - it causes great pain.


48 posted on 04/06/2013 9:09:10 PM PDT by uptowngirl
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To: South40

I don’t believe in his kind of religion but I wouldn’t wish this on anyone. It’s not natural for a parent to bury a child.


49 posted on 04/06/2013 9:09:10 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: South40

“making the book the bestselling hardback non-fiction book of all time”

What? The Bible is the best selling non-fiction book of all time.


50 posted on 04/06/2013 9:12:15 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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