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Matthew Warren Dies: Self-Inflicted Gun Wound Apparent Cause of Death of Pastor Rick Warren's Son
LatinosPost.com ^ | 4/6/2013 | Erik Derr

Posted on 04/06/2013 7:38:14 PM PDT by South40

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To: South40

Very sad. I have been suicidal more than once, as has a close relative and several friends (and some succeeded). It is a tragedy all around.


51 posted on 04/06/2013 9:13:21 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: pollywog

Clinical depression is a mental illness and treatable with proper medication and no, it doesn’t turn one into a zombie. Medication of any kind has certain side effects however there are many different types of medication that are available. Having depression doesn’t make a person ‘’crazy’’ or homicidal , more than anything if untreated suicide can happen. I know because I suffered from depression as did some members of my family. Thankfully after a few years on medication I felt better and my doctor could see the results and felt I no longer need meds.


52 posted on 04/06/2013 9:15:59 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: lightman

I was protesting, so to speak, against the use of the word “selfish” to describe suicide, which you didn’t use, but which is commonly used, here and elsewhere all the time.

I’ve known only one suicide of someone close to me, a friend, a long time ago, and I still cannot forgive myself for failing him, even though I wasn’t who was the closest to him at the time.


53 posted on 04/06/2013 9:16:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Nita Nupress
What happened to good ‘ol empathy in this world?
In today's modern world, folks would rush to the head of the line to cast the first stone.
54 posted on 04/06/2013 9:23:24 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch
I don't know the right or wrong of this, all I can say is I will pray for Rick and Kay tonight, the loss of a child is a hard thing, but by suicide must be truly heart breaking. God Bless and Keep Rick and Kay close, and help them through this trying time,
55 posted on 04/06/2013 9:32:26 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: pollywog

I agree....sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one. The man had depression and he killed himself. That is good enough for me.


56 posted on 04/06/2013 9:33:50 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lightman

No you should not blame selfishness — some people are deathly afraid of the future and what it will bring.

What about those going on dangerous missions during WWII carrying a cyanide pill? I don’t think that they were selfish people.


57 posted on 04/06/2013 9:34:06 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: lightman

I used to have the same outlook that you do....until a client killed himself. This man was enormously successful - the university had buildings named after him, he was wealthy, and his obituary took an entire column of the paper to list all his awards, organizations, charities, etc. Yet he killed himself....because of depression. He was self aware that his depression made him suicidal, and feared it. He didn’t want to kill himself...but he did.

Now I look at these cases very differently.


58 posted on 04/06/2013 9:41:29 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lightman

You are, unfortunately, utterly, utterly clueless.


59 posted on 04/06/2013 9:59:05 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: South40

maybe it was a purpose-driven death?


60 posted on 04/06/2013 10:03:32 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: RoosterRedux

“Rick had fallen away from the strict interpretation of the Word (or so I hear).”

That would require him to have once had a strict interpretation, something not in evidence.


61 posted on 04/06/2013 10:04:20 PM PDT by Pelham (Without Deportation you have De Facto Amnesty.)
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To: RoosterRedux

when one commits suicide it is self evident that a deep dark hopeless state of mind has over taken the person.....specifics are none meaningful


62 posted on 04/06/2013 10:32:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: BooBoo1000

I think this song is appropriate
Blaine Larsen “How do you get that lonely”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdSaI080VXc


63 posted on 04/06/2013 10:46:36 PM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: uptowngirl

“I think sometimes people who suffer from severe depression often think they are a burden to the people around them and that everyone would be better off if they were not in the picture anyone. That person thinks they are doing everyone a favor by taking their life, when in reality the opposite is true - it causes great pain.”

I have had discussions with my elderly mother, who lists the members of my father’s family that have probably had depression.

IOW there is probably a genetic component. Also addictions and alcoholism often go with depression, perhaps attempts to self medicate.

My sister is completely drug-alcohol free, however.

Anybody who spouts of satan claims for those medically diagnosed with depression are extreme kooks, in my view.


64 posted on 04/06/2013 11:25:12 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: BlessedBeGod

“You are, unfortunately, utterly, utterly clueless.”

Classless, too. Probably the type that wouldn’t be bothered to read the pastor’s book either, because he knows it already.


65 posted on 04/06/2013 11:30:41 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Nita Nupress

Yeah....you look out and see so little charity in the world, not just charitable giving but charity in general. So much negativity and judgmentalism.


66 posted on 04/07/2013 1:59:04 AM PDT by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: Nita Nupress

Thank you for compiling that list so I wouldn’t have to wade through dozens of posts by the Pharisees and kooks among us.

Why the heck can’t people just be nice to others who are hurting?

“Oh look, that guy is in pain. Let’s point fingers while kicking him!”


67 posted on 04/07/2013 2:49:54 AM PDT by EricT. (The Republican Party is a friend to conservatives the way Pakistan is an ally in the War On Terror.)
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To: truth_seeker
“My sister is completely drug-alcohol free, however.”

Earlier you said:
“My sister has suffered from depression all her adult life. She does not drink, use drugs ever, at all.

When they get the prescription right, she is okay most of the time. But from time to time, the condition goes into a phase which must just be endured, waited out.”

I guess you mean your sister is street drug free, since you mention a prescription. Some of the drugs they use for depression will make you more depressed and even suicidal. If she's been taking them for a long time, she won't be able to just not take them, but she may heed a different regiment of drugs or fewer drugs and more counseling.

68 posted on 04/07/2013 6:01:31 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: RoosterRedux

His son had serious mental issues, it’s been reported in other articles...treated by dr’ and clinics and the like...

I have a friend who son died a couple years ago...serious mental issues from about 10 onward. All kinds of Dr.s were sought......not uncommon to do when there are no results favorable.....ended up killling another like himself..and the police killing him in a standoff. He was on the phone with his mother when they took the shot....all he wanted was relief from “his torment”....

Both parents Christian....


69 posted on 04/07/2013 6:12:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: Nita Nupress

My understanding was he had severe mental issues.


70 posted on 04/07/2013 6:13:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: RoosterRedux
Vy sad...but need details as to why he did this.

I doubt we would fully understand the thoughts of a seriously depressed person.

71 posted on 04/07/2013 6:14:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: South40

Prayers up for the family.


72 posted on 04/07/2013 6:16:21 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: Nifster

......”when one commits suicide it is self evident that a deep dark hopeless state of mind has over taken the person.....specifics are none meaningful”......

Yes..I agree....

However, mental disorders can drive people to that state of mind....though they may hope otherwise for relief.


73 posted on 04/07/2013 6:20:22 AM PDT by caww
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To: South40
..I always opposed Rick Warren's ministry--today is not the day for that discussion

Prayers for this hurting family...

74 posted on 04/07/2013 6:28:06 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: caww

agreed....it’s just that I am not interested in intruding on the pain of a family that has lost a loved one to suicide


75 posted on 04/07/2013 10:33:10 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: MNDude
I don't think it's fair to call all suicides selfish acts. You have no idea what some people who commit suicide have suffered mentally or physically. Most have sought treatment to no avail. Knee-jerk reaction suicides are usually the wrong decision, but as for people who have suffered for years, please don't judge them.
76 posted on 04/07/2013 6:33:05 PM PDT by Griffon49 (Sometimes suicide is the answer.)
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To: Griffon49

Hey! I never said it was selfish. I think all I said was “are you serious?” to that guy that said he jumped off a 20 floor building right after smashing his car at 120 mph”


77 posted on 04/07/2013 7:27:13 PM PDT by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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