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In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks
NYT ^ | April 6, 2013 | ERICA GOODE

Posted on 04/06/2013 8:23:59 PM PDT by Daffynition

The speed and deadliness of recent high-profile shootings have prompted police departments to recommend fleeing, hiding or fighting in the event of a mass attack, instead of remaining passive and waiting for help.

The shift represents a “sea change,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, which recently held a meeting in Washington to discuss shootings like those in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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Typical. Not one mention of carrying and shooting back.

>>people at the scene of an attack have a better chance of survival if they take an active stance rather than waiting to be rescued by the police, who in many cases cannot get there fast enough to prevent the loss of life. <<

1 posted on 04/06/2013 8:23:59 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Translation: You’re on your own.


2 posted on 04/06/2013 8:26:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Daffynition

Filed under: Duh.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 8:27:48 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Daffynition

Defend yourself? That concept will take more than a “sea change” in attitude.

Why, what if I hit the wrong person before I get the bad guy? (better that the bad guy kill 30 than I stop him after one bad shot, saving 25).


4 posted on 04/06/2013 8:29:34 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Daffynition

nsah


5 posted on 04/06/2013 8:30:39 PM PDT by BOOHA
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To: Daffynition
prompted police departments to recommend fleeing, hiding or fighting in the event of a mass attack

You mean there used to be a different plan than, if you get caught up in a mass killing at the mall, "run, hide, or figh"?

Good Lord, what was the old plan, line up, show ID if requested, there was no "run, or hide"?

6 posted on 04/06/2013 8:38:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Crim

Duh indeed. The passengers on Flight 93 figured that out really quickly. In a classroom or theatre, 30 ten-year old’s who were willing to bite would quickly overwhelm a shooter if they all charged him at the same time. Some of the ten-year olds would die. But most would live. Better than the alternative.


7 posted on 04/06/2013 8:46:05 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Daffynition

What tactics do I use, unrinating on myself, or pointing to the nearest “gun free zone” sign?


8 posted on 04/06/2013 8:47:55 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: ansel12; marktwain
...looked at survival rates and the actions taken by people in classrooms under attack during the Virginia Tech massacre, in which Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 students and teachers before killing himself.

In two classrooms, the students and instructors tried to hide or play dead after Mr. Cho entered. Nearly all were shot, and most died. In a third classroom, Prof. Liviu Librescu,a Holocaust survivor, told his students to jump out the second-story window while he tried to hold the classroom door shut, delaying Mr. Cho from coming in. Professor Librescu was killed, but many of the students survived, and only three were injured by gunfire. In another classroom, where the students and teacher blocked the door with a heavy desk and held it in place, Mr. Cho could not get in, and everyone lived.

“The take-home message is that you’re not helpless...

Interesting stuff ...

9 posted on 04/06/2013 8:49:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Daffynition

It’s a see change....

See, if you stand still you will absolutely die.

If you fight back or run to safety you will live.


10 posted on 04/06/2013 8:52:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You forgot to complete your thought.

“You’re on your own” - because a Tyrannical Government disarmed you.


11 posted on 04/06/2013 8:54:26 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: Daffynition

The best form of active defense is for a concealed carrying person to shoot back at the attacker.


12 posted on 04/06/2013 8:58:22 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Daffynition
After the Columbine massacre in 1999, my company of about 1000 employees held a security seminar.

Their plan was that as many people as possible should be “locked” into the cafeteria, where we would be “protected” by our unarmed Wackenhut security guards.

I thought, yeah, great idea, turn 20 dead into 200 dead.

I made my own plan.

Sprint away from the building as fast as I could run.

For several months after that, I would always look around every room I was in for something I could use to smash an escape hole through one of the windows.

13 posted on 04/06/2013 9:04:35 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: 3Fingas

Yep. One who has spent some time recently at the range.


14 posted on 04/06/2013 9:08:45 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition
The speed and deadliness of recent high-profile shootings have prompted police departments to recommend fleeing, hiding or fighting in the event of a mass attack, instead of remaining passive and waiting for help.

The shift represents a “sea change,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum,

Typical liberal dumb ass, including the dumb ass idiots at the NY Slimes.

What is their solution for fighting back, throwing erasers & chalk at the crazed (liberal) lunatic mass killer's? What a bunch of stupid, dumb ass idiots!

Hey, NY Slimes & Chuck Wexler, how 'bout you endorse CCW and actually fighting back & firing back with REAL guns & real bullets.

I think my 9mm would give me more of a fighting chance, rather than erasers & chalk!

What a bunch of liberal dumb ass idiots! No wonder our country is going down the sh_tter, with liberal idiots and their liberal "logic".

15 posted on 04/06/2013 9:09:14 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: zeestephen

Good for you. It’s not unlike defensive driving. You have to know your capabilities, and those of your car and an understanding of physics. :)


16 posted on 04/06/2013 9:11:08 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

Yes. All people carrying a concealed weapon have a responsibility to be well practiced with said weapon.


17 posted on 04/06/2013 9:19:30 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Last week, I had occasion to call my local cops. I called the regular dispatch line, not 911 to report two twenty-something young men I didn’t recognize, dressed in gray hoodies and jeans, walking down the middle of our street. They seemed to be together b/c they were talking to each other, while walking slowly, going part way into driveways and along sides of houses. To me, they appeared to be looking for an open side door, or keys in a car....I just didn’t know. I requested a cruiser to swing by to *check them out*. Turns out I was home alone with my grand daughter. I checked to be sure the Super Vinci 12-GA had shells in it and waited....and waited...and waited. 25 minutes passed and the cops came by. 25 minutes! An eternity....in which *anything* could happen.

Wish the author of this article was with me to see why *waiting* for the cops is BS.
And the importance of the 2A...maybe there would be a convert. [I know...I’m a dreamer.]


18 posted on 04/06/2013 9:47:53 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
This sign appeared in Newtown, a few days after the massacre. Really.


19 posted on 04/06/2013 10:02:41 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: rcrngroup

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds-caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&;


20 posted on 04/06/2013 10:08:57 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition
"The speed and deadliness of recent high-profile shootings have prompted police departments to recommend fleeing, hiding or fighting in the event of a mass attack, instead of remaining passive and waiting for help."

Geee, just like the judges who always insist that they be exempt from gun control laws because "They are their own first line of self defense". And not to forget "That when seconds count, the police are just minutes away". Ever notice that when these killers realize that someone has arrived that will resist them, they off themselves?

21 posted on 04/06/2013 10:19:17 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: rcrngroup

The Police Executive Research Forum was founded and led by former Chief of Police Patrick Murphy. Think he was chief of both New York City and DC.

The Forum was leftist and ignorant. Only the liberal media took them seriously but no real police chief, who knew Murphy, would pay any attention to this liberal appeasor and nitwit.

I’ve heard him talk and he’s full of it. Only a few PD’s followed his type of thinking, including Chief Bourza of Minneapolis and a couple in California, most of who were later booted out for their incompetence.

At least Wexler recognizes that a “change” is necessary in typical liberal cowardly thinking. That, in and of itself, is a major step for mankind.


22 posted on 04/06/2013 10:20:16 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: fella
"The speed and deadliness of recent high-profile shootings have prompted police departments to recommend fleeing, hiding or fighting in the event of a mass attack, instead of remaining passive and waiting for help."


23 posted on 04/06/2013 10:20:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: fella

I now live in a state that repealed the death penalty. It’s me or them.


24 posted on 04/06/2013 10:23:28 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

Ya....I’ve been waiting around for a bunch of liberal knuckleheads to instruct me on how to best defend myself......

Have they discussed this with Jim Carey to make sure this won’t upset him?


25 posted on 04/06/2013 10:26:18 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

I’m surprised the NYT author didn’t say : *we should limit gun ownership to only the police.*


26 posted on 04/06/2013 10:30:42 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

“The take-home message is that you’re not helpless and the actions you take matter,” Dr. Blair said. “You can help yourself and certainly buy time for the police to get there.”

The take-home message should be arm yourself, train yourself and shoot with discretion.


27 posted on 04/07/2013 3:06:32 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Amen. It was one of those *life lessons* you can’t plan. My GD, who knows I carry on our outings, was taking it all inlike a sponge. She even said, *Gram should I get my BB gun?*

It was a wonderful opportunity to teach her by example that a woman need not be defenseless.


28 posted on 04/07/2013 3:23:30 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

God Bless professor Liviu Librescu


29 posted on 04/07/2013 4:55:36 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: NonValueAdded
I have a feeling that had he been armed, he would have fired.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 5:00:47 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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-- This sign appeared in Newtown, a few days after the massacre. Really. --

I hope it was a "honey pot."

31 posted on 04/07/2013 5:09:29 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

LOL....surprised to learn requests for pistol permits in Newtown doubled.


32 posted on 04/07/2013 5:22:07 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition
In the video, students are shown throwing a garbage can at an attacker

Is that garbage can registered?

But seriously, the best thing to throw at an attacker is lead at high speeds. End of story.

33 posted on 04/07/2013 6:07:13 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Daffynition

According to the compassionate left (reading between the lines), there is no need for the police to hurry - you’ll probably be dead anyway...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/344615/dem-rep-constituent-youd-probably-be-dead-if-confronted-armed-intruder-eliana-johnson


34 posted on 04/07/2013 6:37:46 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

Well, I won’t be the *only* one dead. :D


35 posted on 04/07/2013 6:40:48 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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