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EMP the unimaginable reality (Red Dawn?)
WND ^ | Arpil 5, 2013 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 04/06/2013 9:06:45 PM PDT by Perseverando

Exclusive: Joseph Farah warns of 'Red Dawn' scenario becoming real-life catastrophe

Have you seen “Red Dawn”?

I don’t mean the old movie starring the late Patrick Swayze.

It was good. But I’m talking about the more recent version.

I hesitated watching it for a long time, mainly because I thought the producers of the movie sold out when they opted to substitute a North Korean invasion of the U.S. for what was originally planned as a more likely Chinese invasion.

Supposedly they did so because the Chinese movie market was too lucrative to pass up.

But, having seen it recently, and having followed the news of recent weeks, I think the producers made the right choice.

Watch trailer here:

The new “Red Dawn” is worth seeing as it comes to pay-per-view and video rental release.

It’s not a bad action movie.

But, more than that, the tactic that facilitates a joint North Korean and Russian invasion of the U.S. is the one I would use if I were trying to take down the U.S. quickly and efficiently and inexpensively.

I won’t ruin the movie for you by telling you the invaders use what is described in the script as a “new weapon.”

It’s actually not new at all. It’s relatively old technology called an “electro-magnetic pulse.” The power of an EMP attack was first recognized during the Cold War era. It’s a power that has the potential to defeat overnight America’s strength – technology.

And that’s exactly what happens in the new “Red Dawn.”

If I were the lunatic Kim Jong-un, it’s how I would use at least one of my nine nuclear weapons in taking down the U.S. – something he threatens to do on nearly a daily basis now.

As F. Michael Maloof explains so adeptly

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: emp; empattack; farah; joefarah; kimjongun; norks; northkorea; nukes; reddawn; shtf; wolverines
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1 posted on 04/06/2013 9:06:45 PM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

The original was better...


2 posted on 04/06/2013 9:09:39 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Perseverando

If we used an EMP over North Korea, would they ever notice?


3 posted on 04/06/2013 9:14:07 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Perseverando

I mortgaged the house and bought 2 commercial freezers and 4 large homeowner freezers, maxed out the credit cards to fill them with four years of food, and wrapped the electrical cords in aluminum foil, so I’m pretty much covered for whatever North Korea can throw at us.


4 posted on 04/06/2013 9:16:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: ansel12

Quick thinking.


5 posted on 04/06/2013 9:18:19 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Perseverando

6 posted on 04/06/2013 9:19:26 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Plus I duct taped the plugs into the wall outlets, in case the blast is close enough to shake the house.


7 posted on 04/06/2013 9:20:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Perseverando

Michael Maloof is simply wrong. 1 EMP weapon at high altitude over the center of the nation would not destroy the entire electrical grid.

It is much more complex than that.

Has to do with field density and other parameters. It might under ideal conditions destroy the electrical system in a 500 mile area. Possibly.

But not the entire nation.

It is a sobering prospect, but not the death knell.


8 posted on 04/06/2013 9:21:02 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Perseverando

Haha. Weirdly, I watched this last night. A little better than people gave it credit for.

Some people think the satellite launched into orbit could deploy such a weapon and we’d have trouble stopping it. Others don’t think the satellite is big enough to be carrying such a thing.

Whatever the case, you should be vigilante. Remember, the Chinese HAVE been probing our computer systems. Its perhaps the case that you wouldn’t need an EMP to shut our computerized world down. In the meantime though, I see Obama’s regime as a bigger threat than Kimmy’s.


9 posted on 04/06/2013 9:23:37 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Perseverando

Read “One Second After”


10 posted on 04/06/2013 9:24:07 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: ansel12

But, if there is no electricity....


11 posted on 04/06/2013 9:24:20 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: ansel12
I mortgaged the house and bought 2 commercial freezers and 4 large homeowner freezers, maxed out the credit cards to fill them with four years of food, and wrapped the electrical cords in aluminum foil, so I’m pretty much covered for whatever North Korea can throw at us.
I'm going to presume you have some large generators and 4 years worth of fuel.
12 posted on 04/06/2013 9:28:34 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: ansel12

Sorry to tell you, but you wasted all your time and money. Very few electronics today would be effected by an emp. It was an extremely rare event when they tested the first bombs. And now it would be even rarer.Just plain old scare tactics. No truth to it. Don’t let the enemyies of freedom distract you from the real fight happening now by wasting your valuable resources on decoy worries.


13 posted on 04/06/2013 9:28:34 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (collapse death heartburn heartache dingdongs diaherea)
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To: Sporke

An EMP over North Korea would knock out all of their electrical systems, computers, missile commands, and probably any subs they have.

Their military structure, if I remember correctly, is much like the Soviets and Red Chinese, strict Command and Control from the top. This makes them vulnerable to an EMP even more so than it would American military commands and units who are taught to act on their own with a very well known command structure still in place and Force Mission plans spread throughout them.

Unless the No. Koreans watched “Independence Day” and “Live Free or Die Hard” (where both the telegraph/Morse code and CB radios still functioned on lower wave bands/frequencies, they would not be able to mount a well timed/coordinated attack on the US or even So. Korea (except for their forces on the DMZ who know what targets they are to hit in the first few momements of an attack.

What we need to do is what the US did in “Independence Day”, put a virus into their military computer systems to crash it upon any hostilities. Coupled with even a small EMP, their C3 system would be toast.

Then, hopefully, we would make their military and political facilities “nuclear toast”

However, with Commissar Obama, Gen. Dempsey and Secy Hagel in charge of our forces, I’m afraid that the No. Koreans would inflict serious casualties and damage on So. Korea, Japan and perhaps Taiwan, which would include many American losses.

We had our chances years ago to eliminate the psychostate of No. Korea but did nothing. Just like Iran today, it is probably too late to defang them.

Or, as Obama would say, “Yes we didn’t”.


14 posted on 04/06/2013 9:32:46 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Deathtomarxists

And can you provide information Backing up this opinion. And ..not based on the strength of a lightning strike, but an E M P. Thx.


15 posted on 04/06/2013 9:33:04 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: ansel12

An EMP detonation will fry the electrical grid. Your freezers will be worthless. It doesn’t matter what you wrap your electrical cords with.


16 posted on 04/06/2013 9:34:29 PM PDT by 4Runner
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To: ansel12
Plus I duct taped the plugs into the wall outlets, in case the blast is close enough to shake the house.

what if the blast is a bit closer, and your house is scattered to the wind in a million tiny pieces?

17 posted on 04/06/2013 9:35:08 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I agree with you.

What I was thinking about, regarding my comment, was the satellite pictures of North Korea, and the contrast between North and South, i.e. lack of visible lights.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 9:36:35 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: 4Runner
Your freezers will be worthless. It doesn’t matter what you wrap your electrical cords with.

I'm not an idiot, I was going to burn incense and chant also, I wasn't just depending on the aluminum foil.

19 posted on 04/06/2013 9:36:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Cementjungle
what if the blast is a bit closer, and your house is scattered to the wind in a million tiny pieces?

I'm not really prepared enough to overcome that scenario yet. Suggestions?

20 posted on 04/06/2013 9:39:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Sporke; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The don’t need no stink’n satellite, hell they just carry the nukes across the border with a load of cocaine!


21 posted on 04/06/2013 9:41:11 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Texas Fossil

If they try to use one I think they would detonate over east or west coast population centers...more bang 4 the buck.


22 posted on 04/06/2013 9:41:22 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: ansel12
Cover your house with bacon.

You will still die, but at least you will have nice smells to die to.

23 posted on 04/06/2013 9:41:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Bobalu

Agree. But the author of the book does not know what he is talking about.

This is a serious threat, but not the entire nation....


24 posted on 04/06/2013 9:45:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Cementjungle; ansel12
what if the blast is a bit closer, and your house is scattered to the wind in a million tiny pieces?

Then we are going to miss poor Ansel's atoms. I know I will.

25 posted on 04/06/2013 9:47:03 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Texas Fossil
no not the whole nation, but imagine if they just did it to the center circle on this map.



Now consider the response that the government had for Katrina and Sandy. Now tell me how long before that circle becomes hell on earth?
26 posted on 04/06/2013 9:51:58 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lazamataz

Profundity my friend.


27 posted on 04/06/2013 9:53:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Bobalu
If they try to use one I think they would detonate over east or west coast population centers...more bang 4 the buck.

Someone posted this link a day or two ago that let's you track it in real time.

http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=39026

If you click on the "5 day predictions" link, you can see when it's scheduled to pass over your house. It's a great time-waster. lol.

28 posted on 04/06/2013 9:54:34 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: ansel12

To #20. The best scenario in that situation, DUCK!!


29 posted on 04/06/2013 9:56:34 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Perseverando

The movie quickly died and now can be found on any sharing site. Most of the people on the file sharing sites don’t even like it.


30 posted on 04/06/2013 10:00:45 PM PDT by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: Texas Fossil

You are badly mistaken.

http://www.empcommission.org/docs/empc_exec_rpt.pdf

And to the naysayers - you don’t have to wipe out the “whole electrical grid” or anything remotely close to it. Let’s just say you scramble the brains of 10% of the ATM machines, or make it impossible for 10% of credit card transactions to be validated. Think about how many cars are going to be backed-up at gas stations, how quickly people are going to panic with even that level of inconvenience after what happened with Katrina and Sandy.

EMP itself isn’t the killer, it’s what will happen in a developed nation afterward. What we do to each other.

Yes, read “One Second After” rather than watch crap like Red Dawn.


31 posted on 04/06/2013 10:01:47 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: HollyB; Deathtomarxists

While the early atom bombs and EMP effects were significant, although the electronics and technology were of a primitive state, comparatively speaking) rarity and stage of development that they were far less susceptible to EMP, research since then has focused on those incidental effects, and learned to concentrate on the EMP effect itself.

As the world of electronics has become like water to us, yet at the same time almost designed to be susceptible to EMP effects, the world has been working on how to extract the EMP effect from the building and people destroying effect of the nuclear weapons.

There is a lot of disagreement about how much of an effect, but we know that it will be significant, we know that many nations are developing weapons based on the effect, and that America itself is making big advances in that area of technological warfare, which is strong evidence that EMP must be real.

In fact we know that it is real, we just don’t know the variables of the weapons, delivery, various electrical systems and at what level, distance, etc. and so on.


32 posted on 04/06/2013 10:02:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: HollyB; Deathtomarxists

While the early atom bombs and EMP effects were significant, although the electronics and technology were of a primitive state, comparatively speaking) rarity and stage of development that they were far less susceptible to EMP, research since then has focused on those incidental effects, and learned to concentrate on the EMP effect itself.

As the world of electronics has become like water to us, yet at the same time almost designed to be susceptible to EMP effects, the world has been working on how to extract the EMP effect from the building and people destroying effect of the nuclear weapons.

There is a lot of disagreement about how much of an effect, but we know that it will be significant, we know that many nations are developing weapons based on the effect, and that America itself is making big advances in that area of technological warfare, which is strong evidence that EMP must be real.

In fact we know that it is real, we just don’t know the variables of the weapons, delivery, various electrical systems and at what level, distance, etc. and so on.


33 posted on 04/06/2013 10:02:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Viennacon

“Haha. Weirdly, I watched this last night. A little better than people gave it credit for.”

I will have to agree. One of my neighbors here in L.A. was on the second unit of that production co. here in L.A. and he gave me a copy of the BR. It’s actually better than I anticipated and recommend it.


34 posted on 04/06/2013 10:03:42 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Kartographer

I still do not believe that the coverage is anything like that map.

Field density is very hard to project and there is no reliable data to support the article.

It may be that 500 miles is an overstate.


35 posted on 04/06/2013 10:04:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Dallas59

“Most of the people on the file sharing sites don’t even like it.”

Because those torrent sites are full of foreigners who hate America. been to every tor forums like kat, torrentfreak, etc and they’re mostly morons.


36 posted on 04/06/2013 10:05:11 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Deathtomarxists
Very few electronics today would be effected by an emp. It was an extremely rare event when they tested the first bombs. And now it would be even rarer.Just plain old scare tactics.

You are very new here. I will go easy on you. What?
37 posted on 04/06/2013 10:08:28 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Ok lets say it only knocks out only half the radius shown. In the right metropolitan corridor. I again ask you how long before first responders are over whelmed and the area becomes Hell on earth?


38 posted on 04/06/2013 10:08:49 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Texas Fossil

Ok lets say it only knocks out only half the radius shown. In the right metropolitan corridor. I again ask you how long before first responders are over whelmed and the area becomes Hell on earth?


39 posted on 04/06/2013 10:08:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: bigbob

“10% of the ATM machines”

OK that is more like it. The damage will not be predictable. Depends on pulse duration, peak impulse, height above ground. And it is a point emitter and distance and incidence to ground will vary with at each point. The idea that you have a cone of destruction that covers 1/3 of the US is nonsense.

Yes, large cities near the pulse source would be a nightmare.


40 posted on 04/06/2013 10:09:30 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: bigbob

Didn’t 9/11 come close to sending us to an economic brink, or at least to within sight of the possibility of one?


41 posted on 04/06/2013 10:10:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Their military structure, if I remember correctly, is much like the Soviets and Red Chinese, strict Command and Control from the top. This makes them vulnerable to an EMP even more so than it would American military commands and units who are taught to act on their own with a very well known command structure still in place and Force Mission plans spread throughout them.

Interesting point. I hadn't considered that. BTTT.
42 posted on 04/06/2013 10:11:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

lol


43 posted on 04/06/2013 10:11:29 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Texas Fossil

By the way the map is from a declassified report by Dr. Michael P. Bernardin of Los Alamos headed the Joint DoD/DOE Phase 2 Feasibility Study of a High Power Radio Frequency (HPRF) Weapon, which focused on the feasibility and effectiveness of developing an HPRF (i.e. enhanced EMP) weapon for offensive purposes. Consequently, the U.S. has designed low yield nuclear weapons with massively enhanced EMP output.

http://glasstone.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-emp-turned-off-1-3-of-streetlamps.html

So in your estimation he’s wrong? Why?


44 posted on 04/06/2013 10:12:04 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Perseverando

The Clash - Rock the Casbah

45 posted on 04/06/2013 10:13:55 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: ansel12

“I mortgaged the house and bought 2 commercial freezers and 4 large homeowner freezers, maxed out the credit cards to fill them with four years of food, and wrapped the electrical cords in aluminum foil, so I’m pretty much covered for whatever North Korea can throw at us.”

As long as you have electricity.


46 posted on 04/06/2013 10:15:25 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Liberty Valance

47 posted on 04/06/2013 10:15:33 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12

You gonna plug them into the wall socket that’s connected to your circuit box that’s connected to the power lines that are connected to transformers with tons of circuits that will be fried?

Or are you going to connect them to your generator that will be fried?

Short of putting a generator in a Faraday cage, you’re screwed.


48 posted on 04/06/2013 10:16:15 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: PIF
FYI


49 posted on 04/06/2013 10:16:30 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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50 posted on 04/06/2013 10:17:14 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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