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Rand Paul Cautions: Republicans And Some Evangelicals Often Appear ‘Too Eager For War’
Mediaite ^ | Andrew Kirell

Posted on 04/07/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan

Appearing on the Christian Broadcasting Network this week, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said something that is likely to continue the distancing of himself from the staunch neoconservative types like Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer who have actively blasted the senator for civil libertarian views. Speaking with CBN’s David Brody, Paul said that Republicans and evangelical Christians too often seem eager to go to war.

“Part of Republicans’ problems and, frankly, to tell you the truth, some in the evangelical Christian movement, I think have appeared too eager for war,” Paul said.

“When people come to me and they’re lobbying for ratcheting up some bellicose policy –- even if it’s a bad country — I tell them: When I read the New Testament, and when I read about Jesus, he wasn’t really involved in the war of his days,” the senator continued. “In fact, people rebuked him for not being the king they wanted; they wanted somebody to stand up to the Romans.”

Comments like these are likely to further irritate the war-hawkish elements of the Republican Party, such as Weekly Standard founder Kristol who called the senator a “dangerous” “neo-isolationist,” and Fox commentator Krauthammer who dismissed Paul’s civil liberties concerns as “absurd” and ridiculous.”

In what seems like a direct criticism of some of the practices contained within American foreign policy, the senator then said that “[Jesus] didn’t organize coalitions and guerrilla bands and arm them.”

He concluded: “Blessed are the peacemakers, not blessed are the warmakers.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
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1 posted on 04/07/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

???????????????? This really smacks of his nutball father’s concept of American Isolationism.....

War? Who the hell are we gonna go to war with under this Oresident? Exactly Nobody. This includes North Korea.

If anything, the only war being seriously planned here is the Oresident’s war on traditonal America.

Give me a break.


2 posted on 04/07/2013 8:20:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Preciselt. What are you eager for, Senator?


3 posted on 04/07/2013 8:22:02 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Gaffer

This president sent troops to Libya without congressional approval to change the regime.

Then they rioted and killed the US Ambassador and 4 others.


4 posted on 04/07/2013 8:22:19 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Paul’s statements (as reported) seem a little oily.

Why doesn’t he just say out loud WHY he thinks Republicans and evangelicals are “too eager” for war?


5 posted on 04/07/2013 8:22:33 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: JohnPDuncan

Bad week for a speech Paul.

You could have said this on any other week, and it would make sense.

Right now you’re just being melodramatic.


6 posted on 04/07/2013 8:22:58 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Louis Foxwell

‘Blessed are the peacemakers’. He seems eager for peace.


7 posted on 04/07/2013 8:23:17 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Please don’t confuse gun-sales machinations in Libya and the rest of the middle east with ‘war’....this is just Oresident’s Muslim Outreach...it isn’t war... the Ambassdor stuff is just collateral Democrat damage.


8 posted on 04/07/2013 8:27:09 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: jjotto

You read FR don’t you? Bomb this, bomb that. Always threaten, never negotiate, diplomacy only shows we’re weak.


9 posted on 04/07/2013 8:29:53 AM PDT by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: Gaffer

Rand Paul is right. The GOP did tremendous damage to itself over the last decade by adopting the foreign/military policy of a bunch of big-government neo-conservative @ssholes who would blow their collective brains out before they would ever out on a military uniform themselves.


10 posted on 04/07/2013 8:30:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: JohnPDuncan

Unfortunate but true although I don’t get why he points to evangelicals.


11 posted on 04/07/2013 8:32:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

What a stupid thing to say. He sounds like Code Pink


12 posted on 04/07/2013 8:33:14 AM PDT by CountryClassSF
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To: JohnPDuncan
I wish we would stop all of these foreign wars and bring the troops back home and line them up on our borders.

We can't and should not be the world's police.

13 posted on 04/07/2013 8:33:31 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: JohnPDuncan

War does one thing and that’s line the politicians’ wallets.


14 posted on 04/07/2013 8:33:39 AM PDT by bgill
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To: JohnPDuncan

Boy, this guy is fading fast.


15 posted on 04/07/2013 8:34:05 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cripplecreek

Because they’ve been duped by the nutjobs who want to go to war everywhere.


16 posted on 04/07/2013 8:35:35 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: Alberta's Child

The only good thing about the “Republican” party was once it had ideals, traditions and morals coupled with a sense of patriotism to traditional America. They abandoned that in favor of “moderation”, “diversity” and “compassionate conservatism.”

It does not and never did have anything to do with this Ron Paul influence on Rand re: America doing nothing abroad. It smacks of Libertarianism with a big big L and I’ll have no part of it. He won’t ever get a vote from me if it comes to it.


17 posted on 04/07/2013 8:35:38 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: jjotto
Why doesn’t he just say out loud WHY he thinks Republicans and evangelicals are “too eager” for war?

Perhaps becausevhe thinks it impolite to point out that too many of them are bat sheet crazy?

18 posted on 04/07/2013 8:36:15 AM PDT by PatHimself
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Amen.


19 posted on 04/07/2013 8:36:17 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

The prerequisite of political legitimacy today is to attack Christians— whether you are Republican or Democrat.

Code Pink strongly supported Rand Paul in his filibuster.

His dad said Chris Kyle got what’s going around by fighting in a war.

The libertarians are not our friend.

They coyly allow the government intrude in marriage and the life of the unborn to curry favor with the radical left.

I am not fooled.

The failure to defend the good work of our soldiers in places like Iraq speaks volume about character.


20 posted on 04/07/2013 8:36:32 AM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: JohnPDuncan

It would have been great to see republicans go to war against liberals over the past three decades instead of attempting to emulate them into submission.


21 posted on 04/07/2013 8:39:33 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: lonestar67

Rand Paul is a baptized member of the Episcopal Church.


22 posted on 04/07/2013 8:39:37 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: CountryClassSF

I don’t think it is stupid at all, and I think he was probably refering to John McCain. That old fart has never seen a conflict he wasn’t willing to sacrifice your son in.


23 posted on 04/07/2013 8:40:42 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: JohnPDuncan

That and the fact that they love nation building at the expense of lives and money.


24 posted on 04/07/2013 8:43:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

To him ‘eagar’ is prudent to the rest of us. When someone breaks into your house, you don’t wait to see what they feel about you or if you accidentally kicked their kitten a decade before.


25 posted on 04/07/2013 8:45:13 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: csmusaret

Yeah, I had no use for the fawning over McCain that went on over his demand for answers to the Benghazi question.

The dumb ass was leading the cheerleader charge to get involved in the Libyan mess to begin with when we all knew better. He doesn’t get to turn around and be on the other side.


26 posted on 04/07/2013 8:46:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

And now the Al Qeada flag flies proudly over Benghazi and did so on that fateful night.

They want to do the same thing in Syria. Yes, Assad’s bad but destroying the country and replacing him with Al Qeada?

This is absolutely indefensible. I would say it’s treasonous. We need to get these nutjobs out of the party.


27 posted on 04/07/2013 8:54:27 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: Gaffer
You're kind of making my point. What kind of "ideals, traditions and morals" and affinity for "traditional America" do people like Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer have?

Don't you find it odd that the so-called Republicans who ran our nation's government for the better part of nearly a decade were hell-bent on pissing away hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of U.S. lives in military conflicts halfway around the world ... while at the same time pushing to eliminate anything remotely resembling a national border right here at home?

28 posted on 04/07/2013 8:57:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: JohnPDuncan

Evangelicals? Eager for war? Not any that I know of.

Paul could point out the McCain/Graham crowd. Call them out. By name. They’re nuts. They want to get mired in every hellhole that pops up. But this broad brush Paul is using makes him sound like a crackpot.


29 posted on 04/07/2013 9:10:00 AM PDT by greene66
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To: JohnPDuncan

C’mon folks another war to benefit some other country will probably be the end of us. We are now teetering on the brink of economic collapse. Look at England, after centuries of war they are a basket case.

We spent the first half of the last century fighting in Europe, the second half fighting in Asia. This century has started with the ME and Africa and our minds are being turned to South America. War hawks want us to save women, oil, Israel, South Korea, Formosa, you name it.

No war without a formal declaration of war from Congress and then add in the taxes to pay for it and a draft to fight it.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 9:12:08 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Alberta's Child
You are absolutely correct. Prepare to be called an antisemitic, Code Pink, DUmmy.

Alas, true to their communist roots, the neocons infiltrated the foundations, magazines, Fox News and talk radio. And that's where a lot of FReepers still get their “conservative” info.

Just as most union members aren't lefties, most Republicans aren't war mongers. But, if anyone crosses the party line, they will be destroyed.

31 posted on 04/07/2013 9:16:08 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Gaffer
This really smacks of his nutball father’s concept of American Isolationism

It's actually George Washington's concept non-intervenionism. Trade, travel, and discourse with all nations, but not mistaking their fights for your fights.

Isolationism is better described by someone like Pat Buchanan's desire for higher trade barriers and national autarky.

32 posted on 04/07/2013 9:18:54 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: ex-snook

It’s not just the war.

It’s fighting while sending our manufacturing to China.

China grows stronger every day. China now exports more than America.

We import untold trillions of dollars from China.

Yet we do nothing to demand they return the favor.

We need a new approach.

Bring back US industry now.


33 posted on 04/07/2013 9:22:10 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Gaffer

I don’t think it smacks of anything “nutball.”

We committed miltary force to Afghanistan, ostensibly, to 1) catch Osama bin Laden and 2) remove the Taliban from the seat of the Afghan government for aiding him.

bin Laden is dead and Hamid Karzai became the Afghani president in 2001.

Where are the troops? Oh, that’s right. Still in Afghanistan. What role did the U.S. play in removing Qaddafi from power in Libya only to have al Qaeda operate without fear there (without Congressional approval and with the US operating under NATO command)?

There are other examples, of course. Paul may confuse the terms “war” with “military action” but he is essentially correct.

His bashing the GOP for its war-love is directed, I believe, at McCain and Graham, two GOPe politicians if ever there were any, who never saw a problem that couldn’t be solved without U.S. military intervention as a first resort.

His association of evangelicals with the war first crowd is a bit of a stretch IMO but is no doubt his own early strategic positioning for a presidential run. Reagan spoke of a big tent Republican Party and Paul is simply stretching the fabric to make potential, non-GOPe supporters take early notice (namely, libertarians and the more secular-minded conservative voters).

I see it as Paul executing a plan to make a run for the White House, walking a tightrope of accumulating non-traditional or potential GOP/conservative voters in larger numbers than the traditional GOPe and evangelical supporters he can afford to lose.

It is a bold plan. Fortune favors the bold.


34 posted on 04/07/2013 9:23:57 AM PDT by FerociousRabbit
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To: JohnPDuncan
This president sent troops to Libya without congressional approval to change the regime.

Then they rioted and killed the US Ambassador and 4 others.

A) That assault wasn't part of a riot, that was the administration's initial excuse for what was going on.

B) Just like in the U.S., the people in Libya are not homogenous in their political views. It's like someone in another country thinking that ELF is indicative of the entire US population when they burn down a building.

35 posted on 04/07/2013 9:26:34 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: JohnPDuncan

An unnecessary and I think pointless attack on Christians. If he wants a more isolationist foreign policy, fine. A lot of people will agree with him in theory (though a lot of theories die in the first week you are in the White House). But the attack on Christians has an odd ring to it.


36 posted on 04/07/2013 9:28:32 AM PDT by marron
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To: Gaffer

“This really smacks of his nutball father’s concept of American Isolationism.”

Juan McCain, is that you?

If you want to bring democracy to the muslim world go recruit your own army. Your BS wars are the reason we have Obama now.

Iraq is a greater threat now than it was before. They are now actively cooperating with Iran. So what did you get for those trillion of dollars and thousands of lives? Nada. And yet you still want to do it again.


37 posted on 04/07/2013 9:29:34 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Gunslingr3

Riot, planned attack, whatever it was it would never have happened with the strongman Gadaffi in charge.

Now AQ runs the show there, especially in Benghazi. Complete disaster and the whole thing was supported by the Federal gov, the CIA and the US military either directly or indirectly and these assholes have got the same plan to destroy Syria.


38 posted on 04/07/2013 9:30:03 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Paul is finding a way to get a Republican nomination and sell himself as electable (drawing in left wing voters) on the basis of being anti-war.

Krauthammer and Kristol are the modern embodiment of the Nixon-Kissinger crowd that oversaw no-win conflicts like Vietnam and cut deals with China and the Soviets in the 1970’s.

I’m not a left-wing anti-war guy, I want to win wars.
We need to find the enemy in Pakistan and take them out.

Krauthammers and Kristols like the Kissingers before them don’t.


39 posted on 04/07/2013 9:38:42 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Obama wants to be a wartime President just like Bush, McCain and Romney. ME wars will be a cakewalk and oil will pay for them, or so they said.


40 posted on 04/07/2013 9:42:31 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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Rand running to the left of Obama on National Security.

Yeah that will work in the Republican Party - lol.

He will take the place of his nutball father on the podium, next election season Debate.

The Liberaltarian argument is completely straw-man fallacy regarding “Republicans to eager to go to war”.


41 posted on 04/07/2013 9:46:01 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Nextrush
The best way to win a war is to stay out of it and let other nations fight it and dissipate their nation's strength and future for a change.

The US became the world's strongest nation by being the last power to enter wars- not by weakening itself by endless wars.

42 posted on 04/07/2013 9:46:57 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Very true, bttt.


43 posted on 04/07/2013 9:51:23 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Lancey Howard

“Boy, this guy is fading fast.”

He sure is. Lindsey Graham will just kill him in the next presidential primary. \s


44 posted on 04/07/2013 9:51:37 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: All

Rand Paul believes that American actions in the world are the reason that people hate us.

He is as ignorant in foreign policy as Obama is in economics.


45 posted on 04/07/2013 10:00:38 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: FerociousRabbit

His ‘bold’ plan won’t get my vote.


46 posted on 04/07/2013 10:01:55 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rbmillerjr

“Yeah that will work in the Republican Party”

We’ll see. Kristol and Krauthammer have not made a single accurate prediction in the last 20 years but maybe they got this one right.

Maybe the country is just waiting for someone to advocate for war against Syria and the democratization of the middle east, to sweep this person into the presidency. We’ll see.


47 posted on 04/07/2013 10:04:09 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: JohnPDuncan
Neoconservatism = Neo-imperialism = A nation forever at war = 1984.

But maybe we can do Orwell one better: we can be at war with both the Eurasians and the East Asians!

I'm so glad that we Americans have become comfortable with our crony capitalist, quasi-fascist economy. It is the perfect complement to our neoconservative foreign policy.

48 posted on 04/07/2013 10:04:24 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

YES and NO.

In Pakistan, the drones should have taken out a lot of Pakistani supporters of the Taliban.

And the ground troops should be pulled out which Obama will largely do (he’s announced his intention) in the next two years.

He’ll leave a tripwire force just like we have in South Korea right now most likely.

Afghanistan will end up just another no-win war stalemate in the post-World War II tradition of Republicans and Democrats.


49 posted on 04/07/2013 10:07:04 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“Kristol and Krauthammer have not made a single accurate prediction in the last 20 years”

Who cares, they do not represent GOP foreign policy.

“Maybe the country is just waiting for someone to advocate for war against Syria and the democratization of the middle east, to sweep this person into the presidency. We’ll see.”

This is the immature straw man argument that makes Liberaltarians the silly season of the “between the elections” season.


50 posted on 04/07/2013 10:09:02 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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