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Look Out Below, The Obamacare Chaos Is Coming
Forbes ^ | April 7, 2013 | Peter Ferrara

Posted on 04/07/2013 9:23:14 AM PDT by Zakeet

The biggest political problem faced by so-called “liberals” and so-called “progressives” in President Obama’s second term is how to prevent voters from holding them politically responsible as the public comes to realize how badly they were lied to during the first Obama term to win passage of Obamacare.

Most supporters of Obamacare embraced it because of a principled belief that everyone should have access to essential healthcare. But even the establishment, still Democrat dominated, CBO admits that after 10 years of implementation, Obamacare will still leave 30 million uninsured.

We will see below why that is a woeful underestimate.

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Just wait until the broad realization dawns that the harsh reality of Obamacare is that tens of millions will lose their employer provided insurance because of the perverse incentives under the program. Even the establishment CBO admits that at least 7 million, and as many as 20 million, will lose their employer coverage.

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So much for President Obama’s oft repeated first term promise that “If you like your health insurance, you can keep it. No one is going to take that away from you.”

Obama campaigned in 2008 on a promise that Obamacare would reduce the cost of health insurance by $2,500 for average families. But since Obamacare passed, the cost of an average family policy has already increased by $3,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carecosts; 0carenightmare; economics; healthcare; obamacare; socialism

ObamaCare is the greatest accomplishment of my administration!

1 posted on 04/07/2013 9:23:14 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Obamacare is not a tax..oops. No illegals will be covered..oops. Premiums will go down..oops. Death Panels are a ridiculous concept.......


2 posted on 04/07/2013 9:27:59 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: Zakeet

It will be blamed on Bush. The low information voters won’t know that Bush was long out of office when this was passed. No matter. The media will proclaim it so and it will be believed.


3 posted on 04/07/2013 9:28:26 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: Zakeet
Politically speaking,Obamacare is to Obama what Iraq was to George Bush.

A 1st term decision that did not bite really hard until the 2nd term.

4 posted on 04/07/2013 9:28:40 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Zakeet

I hope the bastards fry in their own bile !

Other than that, I wish them no ill will. /s


5 posted on 04/07/2013 9:28:58 AM PDT by llevrok (2013: The USA is in a Cold Civil War.)
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To: Zakeet
One of my friends working for UPS can't believe he will be charged for his healthcare benefits or that the company will no longer be giving retired persons free healthcare forever. The Teamsters are threatening to strike. Goodbye UPS, Fed Ex is already planning to pick up the slack.
6 posted on 04/07/2013 9:29:12 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: tips up

Yep, even though no Republican voted for this mess, they will be to blame.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll165.xml


7 posted on 04/07/2013 9:32:51 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Zakeet
Even the establishment CBO admits that at least 7 million, and as many as 20 million, will lose their employer coverage.

I honestly expect it will be larger than even the CBO's higher estimate, since the CBO rarely gets it right.

8 posted on 04/07/2013 9:33:01 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: tips up

Nor will we ever be reminded Obamacare was passed without a single republican vote.


9 posted on 04/07/2013 9:37:32 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Zakeet
There should be a picture of a cute little girl (with a sad looking her face) holding a sign that says “ObamaCare’s death panels killed my grandmother. I miss you granny...”

The effect would be devastating.

10 posted on 04/07/2013 9:41:46 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
“ObamaCare’s death panels killed my grandmother. I miss you granny...”

Me likey.

11 posted on 04/07/2013 9:49:10 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Why the heck are you not running the RNC? (The pussies like Shields make me ill.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3004378/posts


12 posted on 04/07/2013 9:56:00 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama murdered the SEALs.They "were hung out to dry, basically exposed like a set of dog balls,...")
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To: tips up

America cannot survive this plague and epidemic of rampant stupidity. Even if it has been intentionally orchestrated by leftist indoctrination.... there is still the internet and the truth is out there for anyone that cares enough to find it. But lack of interest, apathy and preoccupation with more “pressing issues” (celebrity fashion, video games, American Idol, etc.) will guarantee that this stupidity epidemic keeps spreading and growing....and killing the American Dream forever, turning it into the American’t Nightmare, instead.


13 posted on 04/07/2013 9:57:00 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Zakeet

Pure unadulterated horse sh!!. My wife (82) suffers from COPD.She has shortness of breath when she exerts herself.

Her PCP tried to get a referral for some breathing therapy.

Medicare denied the request. Her level of COPD didn’t qualify her for the therapy.

Thank you Obama lemmings.


14 posted on 04/07/2013 9:57:08 AM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 83)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Dude you may be the next Lee Atwater.
Now we just need to get you hired, which is probably impossible, because so few in the R party want to fight bare knuckles.


15 posted on 04/07/2013 9:59:28 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Robert DeLong

I wonder how my ex-boss (Hispanic, educated but left-leaning) will like the end results of her Obama votes when she loses her formerly excellent healthcare and when the Democrats then go after her 401k account. Hell, she may even lose her job (others have).

Too damned late, she probably won’t like it at all.

Surprise! (I tried to warn her)


16 posted on 04/07/2013 10:00:41 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: XenaLee
I have no confidence in the American Spirit or American Know How. This passed election was a wake up call. I can only underestimate the stupidity of my fellow American.
17 posted on 04/07/2013 10:01:05 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama murdered the SEALs.They "were hung out to dry, basically exposed like a set of dog balls,...")
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To: Chgogal

I think your assessment is incorrect.
A lot of it isn’t stupidity, just folks who never had the opportunity to learn the truth.


18 posted on 04/07/2013 10:03:59 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Robert DeLong

“I honestly expect it will be larger than even the CBO’s higher estimate, since the CBO rarely gets it right.”

Mr. Small Businessperson meets with the health insurance companies. Cost of providing employer paid health insurance will be $7000 per year per employee after the employee’s conribution. Cost of paying the penalty to Uncle Sam for not providing health insurance is $2000 per year per employee. Cost of providing health insurance or paying penalty for any employee working 29 or fewer hours per week is $0.

What will Mr. Small Businessman do?

The economics for Mr. Big Corporation are the same except he/she can also move jobs offshore and contract work. What will Mr. Big Corporation do?


19 posted on 04/07/2013 10:04:00 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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20 posted on 04/07/2013 10:04:40 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Kansas58

While that may be, Obama care is lasting the war will be over.


21 posted on 04/07/2013 10:06:04 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Zakeet

“...10 years of implementation, Obamacare will still leave 30 million uninsured.”

Not to worry, by that time zero will be happily tucked away in his 40 million dollar Hawaiian estate.


22 posted on 04/07/2013 10:07:05 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: XenaLee

Our health care premium went up 20% January 1 due to ObamaCare’s covering of all applicants.

I mentioned this to our 26 year old twice Obama voting daughter. She said it was BS and probably insurance companies trying to make excessive money.

So when HER premium at work went up about the same time her payroll taxes went up, she is now singing a different tune.

Hit them hard Barry. Hite them hard!


23 posted on 04/07/2013 10:08:50 AM PDT by llevrok (2013: The USA is in a Cold Civil War.)
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To: vpintheak
Obamacare is not much like what we were promised.

Premiums will be higher, not lower.
Better than half of the States will NOT cooperate with a “State Exchange” and Sebelius has pushed back the Federal Exchanges as well as the requirement for businesses to purchase through the “exchanges” by another year.
The “High Risk Pool” under Obamacare was and is a flop.
Democrats are even upset at the tax on medical devices.
Many States have refused to expand Medicaid under Obamacare.
10th Amendment Court cases still have a high chance of restricting Obamacare.
1st Amendment challenges will most likely result in Conservative victories.

And, of course, I said POLITICALLY speaking -— in other words, Obamacare will still NOT be a vote getter or a positive campaign issue, for Democrats.

24 posted on 04/07/2013 10:16:52 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: willibeaux

Prayers for your wife...


25 posted on 04/07/2013 10:18:13 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Zakeet

SoetoroCare is a tax bill. Constitutional pedophile Juan Roburtos wrote it.


26 posted on 04/07/2013 10:30:58 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: csmusaret

If we would just start referring to it as “Democrat-care” then the Republicans would dominate the the next off-year elections. (They may anyhow)


27 posted on 04/07/2013 11:23:40 AM PDT by The Duke (We don't rent pigs, but apparently we *do* ELECT them.)
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To: llevrok

And that ignorance is what the leftists always count on. The fact that most people, especially your daughter’s age, will be clueless to the after-effects and end results of the leftists’ policies. And throughout history it has been waaay too late by the time most ‘woke up’ to the reality of what they had enabled.


28 posted on 04/07/2013 11:23:55 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Zakeet

bump


29 posted on 04/07/2013 11:36:40 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: nascarnation

I humbly agree to disagree. They had four years of Obama and they reelected him. They are blinded by their stupidity. ; )


30 posted on 04/07/2013 11:59:49 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama murdered the SEALs.They "were hung out to dry, basically exposed like a set of dog balls,...")
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To: Huskrrrr
Hope you are right. FedEx does it better anyway.
31 posted on 04/07/2013 12:00:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: willibeaux
Sympathies. No friend of obamacare here, but that may be a "coding error" by your PCP. I know people getting respiratory therapy (breathing treatments) all over town paid by Medicare.

The thing about Medicare is that they don't even care about reality. All they care about is if the right diagnostic code, usually a four or five digit number, is used.

32 posted on 04/07/2013 12:05:12 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: willibeaux
Sympathies. No friend of obamacare here, but that may be a "coding error" by your PCP. I know people getting respiratory therapy (breathing treatments) all over town paid by Medicare.

The thing about Medicare is that they don't even care about reality. All they care about is if the right diagnostic code, usually a four or five digit number, is used.

33 posted on 04/07/2013 12:06:55 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Coding error may be true.

I just finished a coding class and one digit, even after the decimal point could make all the difference.


34 posted on 04/07/2013 3:14:28 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (0bama is a POS, with all due respect to excrement.)
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To: XenaLee

Well don’t be surprised when these people, like your ex-boss, lay the blame at the feet of others in power. They really are clueless and I do not see them getting a clue either.


35 posted on 04/07/2013 6:02:47 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Soul of the South

Absolutely correct. You have laid out the scenario perfectly. But we already know this was never about healthcare. It was about securing votes from those easily swayed by emotional arguments while ignoring realities.


36 posted on 04/07/2013 6:05:50 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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