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Former Tucson lawmaker Terri Proud is fired for remarks on female veterans; her supervisor resigns
azstarnet.com ^ | April 04, 2013

Posted on 04/07/2013 1:49:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Former Tucson lawmaker Terri Proud, who was just hired by the state Veterans' Services Department, was fired Wednesday in the wake of her statement in a news story that menstrual cycles might be too problematic for women to be in combat. The department director who hired her has resigned.

Joey Strickland submitted his resignation letter on Tuesday, shortly after the Arizona Sonora News Service story on Proud appeared in the Star.

Proud was a personal appointee of Strickland's to the $40,000 administrative assistant position and didn't go through a formal hiring process. She was terminated Wednesday, before she even officially started her new job. She was supposed to start in May.

Proud was given the job despite Gov. Jan Brewer having told Strickland a year ago not to hire her, said gubernatorial spokesman Matt Benson, adding Brewer only just learned about the appointment from the newspaper.

"It's fair to say that we voiced concerns regarding our learning of a recent hire of his via the news media," Benson said of Strickland's resignation.

"Col. Strickland was given very specific instructions about a year ago to avoid hiring this individual. He chose to do so anyway, and unfortunately that individual's questionable judgment was on display this week with some ill-chosen public remarks regarding women in the military," he said.

Benson wouldn't say why the Governor's Office didn't want Proud hired.

Proud said she didn't know that the governor didn't want her, and doesn't know why.

"I have no idea. I have no idea why they didn't want to hire me," Proud said. Although she would like to know, she has no plans to ask Brewer.

Proud has a reputation for being controversial. She gained national attention during her time in the Legislature for a viral email exchange in which she said women who want abortions should have to watch one first.

In the Tuesday story, Proud said, "Women have certain things during the month I'm not sure they should be out there dealing with. I don't know how to address that topic in a very diplomatic manner."

The comment was taken "way out of context," Proud said Wednesday.

Proud said the comment wasn't intended to bash anyone, though that appears to be how the comment was taken. She posted on Facebook that the firing apparently came after activists called the Governor's Office.

Benson he didn't know if governor was getting many calls about the issue.

"I don't have a problem with women being on the front line if that's their choice," Proud said. "I'm not going to sit there and say, 'No, you don't have that right.' I was making a funny comment, 'What are they going to do?' "

How menstrual cycles are handled is a curiosity she has, Proud said, noting that whether or not that hurdle is being addressed is a real issue, even if it isn't talked about. Women are designed differently from men and need to have their needs met on the front lines, she said.

Proud said no one had called her to ask her about the comment; she was just fired.

"For the Governor's Office to do this because of an article that was written is asinine. It's wrong," Proud said.

Strickland said he wasn't emotionally ready to talk about the job loss yet.

Benson said Brewer is grateful for Strickland's service, and that the department will now be going in a different direction.

Deputy Director Robert Barnes takes over as interim director.

Strickland took over the Arizona Department of Veterans' Services in 2008. Before that, his department biography says he served in the Army from 1966 until he retired as a lieutenant colonel in 1994, followed by 14 years in different government positions in Louisiana.

Proud said she is "absolutely devastated," about losing the job, especially since she fought for female veterans during her time at the Legislature with her bill that created a specialty license plate for female veterans. The license plate doesn't just raise awareness, she said, but gives money to help homeless female veterans. The plates cost $25, and $17 of that goes toward a special fund to help homeless female veterans.


TOPICS: US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: abortion; arizona; deathpanels; janbrewer; joeystrickland; mattbenson; menses; obamacare; robertbarnes; terriproud; womenincombat; zerocare
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1 posted on 04/07/2013 1:49:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --George Orwell
2 posted on 04/07/2013 1:58:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Former Tucson lawmaker Terri Proud, who was just hired by the state Veterans' Services Department, was fired Wednesday in the wake of her statement in a news story that menstrual cycles might be too problematic for women to be in combat. The department director who hired her has resigned.

Why? I fail to see the problem here.

3 posted on 04/07/2013 1:58:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Amazing how a persons honest opinion gets one fired.


4 posted on 04/07/2013 2:00:16 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Pregnancy could be problematic as well, I would think. But we have to pretend men and women are the same.


5 posted on 04/07/2013 2:03:13 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Let's get this straight:

  1. Boinking an underage teenage prostitute while on official government travel(Mendenez) -- Not a problem!
  2. Failure to pay taxes even though you are going to be the cabinet secretary in charge of the IRS (Geitner) -- Not a problem!
  3. Being elected president with marginal or nonexistent documentation -- Not a problem!
  4. Sexual assault on a female employee and perjury (Clinton) -- Not a problem!
  5. Ordering the military to stand down while a U.S. Consulate is under siege by terrorist resulting in the deaths of four Americans including the ambassador -- Not a problem!
  6. Telling the truth about a real problem with women in combat -- Off with their heads!!

6 posted on 04/07/2013 2:04:33 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: mosaicwolf

Only if your opinion is in opposition to the people in control. Its a communiust thingie.

I once lived in the land of the free and home of the brave, but then things “changed”. I now live in the land of the Fee and home of the Knave.


7 posted on 04/07/2013 2:04:35 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Bit extreme. Why did the department director resign?


8 posted on 04/07/2013 2:05:27 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I would prefer to fight with anyone other than a woman shortly prior to or in their menstrual period.

They are natural-born killers during all of that.

9 posted on 04/07/2013 2:05:53 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: nuconvert
Arizona vets director asks Brewer for job back - The ex-director of Arizona's Department of Veterans' Services has sent a letter to Gov. Jan Brewer asking to rescind his resignation, but the governor's office says that won't happen.

Director Joey Strickland was forced to resign Tuesday after the governor's office learned he had hired a former Arizona state representative he had previously been ordered not to employ. Former Rep. Terri Proud also lost her state job after questioning female troops' ability to serve in combat in an interview with a news reporter.

In a letter released by Brewer's office Thursday, Strickland says he was told not to hire Proud almost a year ago when she was in the Legislature because hiring a sitting lawmaker appeared to be improper.

"I was never told not to hire her in the future," Strickland wrote in the letter dated Wednesday. He said he was forced to resign by Brewer's chief of staff on "a trumped up allegation" that he disobeyed an order.

Brewer spokesman Matthew Benson said the resignation is final.

"We are moving forward in seeking a permanent replacement to lead the Department of Veterans' Services," he said.

For her part, Proud said in a statement sent to media organizations late Wednesday that Brewer shouldn't have forced Strickland to resign.

"If the Governor has it out for me, or has something against former legislators finding jobs, then I was not aware of it until now," Proud said in a statement. "Strickland should not have been removed, Brewer overreacted."


10 posted on 04/07/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There is a rather simple solution gentlemen. There are forms of birth control that stop periods altogether, right? (There used to be anyway) That would take care of both periods and the risk of pregnancy, and is likely what the advocates of women in combat intend to do if and when the situation ever really arises.


11 posted on 04/07/2013 2:12:21 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

bttt


12 posted on 04/07/2013 2:13:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If Proud just announces that she is a lesbian who is pro abortion and pro gay marriage she will be rehired at twice the salary.


13 posted on 04/07/2013 2:14:04 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

At this point in time, telling the truth when said truth is opposite to the Government’s agenda gets one fired. At a point later down the road, it will get one executed. This is the plan that all Communist Countries followed. We are not quite Communists yet, but ome can see it coming. As the older voters die out and the younger gimmie my freebies geeration expands.


14 posted on 04/07/2013 2:17:14 PM PDT by sport
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’ll be uproariously funny if, when she’s proven correct, people ask “Why didn’t anyone see this coming?”


15 posted on 04/07/2013 2:24:28 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This insane move to put women in combat is being pushed for ideological reasons, not because it’s a good idea. Therefore, anybody who even questions the ideology is an enemy of the state. Get ready for more of this.


16 posted on 04/07/2013 2:26:37 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Notice too that her statement had nothing to do with her current job of caring for veterans, that is, people who aren´t in the active military any more. But, she violated ideological protocal so she’s got to go, and her boss too!


17 posted on 04/07/2013 2:28:21 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: RWB Patriot

This PC stuff has got to end. You can’t say anything anymore, in particular if it is the truth.


18 posted on 04/07/2013 2:30:55 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

As I like to say:

Let ‘em learn the hard way, ‘cause teaching them is more trouble then they’re worth.


19 posted on 04/07/2013 2:32:26 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: flaglady47

It’s a well documented fact that a group of females living in close proximity ( i.e. in a sorority house) will often sync their menstrual cycles. So I guess this means you won’t have one female performing below par a few days each month; instead the entire squad will “out of sorts” at the same time.


20 posted on 04/07/2013 2:37:53 PM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline has mysteriously vanished...)
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Please help Finish This
FReepathon THIS Month!!

21 posted on 04/07/2013 2:39:51 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: ken5050

But as Rush pointed out, when they all have PMS, they could be a very effective fighting force....Hence, the “All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion”’

http://dailyrushbo.com/women-in-combat-rush-revisits-all-american-first-cavalry-amazon-battalion/


22 posted on 04/07/2013 2:41:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
LOL..I remember that.

Seems Coach Boom has himself a little problem with the NCAA..wonder if it blows over..

23 posted on 04/07/2013 2:44:44 PM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline has mysteriously vanished...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Obviously Terri Proud was not qualified for the job. In fact, she was not qualified for any appointed job in government since she could not get past the first two qualifications. 1) She does not speak fluent Political Correct 2) She does not lie very well.
24 posted on 04/07/2013 2:44:49 PM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: ken5050

I don’t see how they could come up with any proof against Boom on it. But it does look like Auburn’s program is in deep doo doo.


25 posted on 04/07/2013 2:46:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"was fired Wednesday in the wake of her statement in a news story that menstrual cycles might be too problematic for women to be in combat"

No $h!t... ya think?

Telling the truth gets you fired??????

26 posted on 04/07/2013 2:46:51 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: American in Israel

“I once lived in the land of the free and home of the brave, but then things “changed”. I now live in the land of the Fee and home of the Knave.”

Nice, original?

Too many fees, made us all slaves.


27 posted on 04/07/2013 2:49:11 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I talked to a guy at a VFW post about the Old Days, Viet Nam, at the end of the conversation he said, “It really sucked didn't it.” Can't say I disagree.
28 posted on 04/07/2013 2:59:20 PM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Met bet is that lesbians dropped a dime on this one. Statements made by Proud could put the homosexuals playground at risk.... so poof, she had to go.


29 posted on 04/07/2013 3:02:52 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Vigilanteman

I see you are finally starting to understand the thinking pattern (or lack there-of) of the average Dimocrat.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 3:05:50 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Less cotton more ammo!


31 posted on 04/07/2013 3:06:56 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Note the article says zero about Strickland's reasons for resigning. Was he shamed? I doubt it, frankly. My guess he was pissed and said so.

Jan Brewer...she sure can't dance. The minute you try to appreciate her she does something Country Club Stupid to zero out the positives with the Base.

The remarks were frank, but offense? To whom?

Text without context is error.

Proud was tossed to the wolves without ceremony after the Consultants did the math. The estimated cost of wiping Brewer's feet on Proud's attempt at survival... zero. That's a shame, but it earned enough coolness points with the compliant press for them to omit much of this story.

32 posted on 04/07/2013 3:14:33 PM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ironic - my own experience suggests that women “on the r*g” would constitute a formidable - perhaps even undefeatable - fighting force.


33 posted on 04/07/2013 3:37:00 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
and the truth shall set you free... from your job!!!
34 posted on 04/07/2013 3:37:26 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How dare she utter the truth !!!


35 posted on 04/07/2013 3:40:58 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Tailgunner Joe.
Former Tucson lawmaker Terri Proud, who was just hired by the state Veterans' Services Department, was fired Wednesday in the wake of her statement in a news story that menstrual cycles might be too problematic for women to be in combat. The department director... Joey Strickland submitted his resignation letter on Tuesday... Proud was given the job despite Gov. Jan Brewer having told Strickland a year ago not to hire her, said gubernatorial spokesman Matt Benson... Benson wouldn't say why the Governor's Office didn't want Proud hired... Proud has a reputation for being controversial. She gained national attention during her time in the Legislature for a viral email exchange in which she said women who want abortions should have to watch one first... "I don't have a problem with women being on the front line if that's their choice," Proud said. "I'm not going to sit there and say, 'No, you don't have that right.' I was making a funny comment, 'What are they going to do?' " How menstrual cycles are handled is a curiosity she has, Proud said, noting that whether or not that hurdle is being addressed is a real issue, even if it isn't talked about. Women are designed differently from men and need to have their needs met on the front lines, she said.

36 posted on 04/07/2013 4:03:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: elkfersupper

“I would prefer to fight with anyone other than a woman shortly prior to or in their menstrual period.

They are natural-born killers during all of that.”

I dunno. I once worked with a military woman who was normally a tough hombre (gender-normed) but during “that time” if you looked at her wrong she would cry. She didn’t like me at all, but I thought she was okay for a liberal.


37 posted on 04/07/2013 4:46:51 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

how dare she have an un-PC opinion


38 posted on 04/07/2013 4:51:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; fellowpatriot; MarineMom613; Ron C.; wolfman23601; ColdOne; navymom1; Pat4ever; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

39 posted on 04/07/2013 4:52:49 PM PDT by narses
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Actually, I agree that her argument is incorrect.

The reason that women should be excluded from combat is not that they can’t cut it; but it is a double problem.

First, there are not *enough* women who can handle combat to “break the uniformity” of the military just to accommodate them. 1 woman for every 50 men is not critical enough to the military mission to force the men and the military to accommodate the woman.

Second, and perhaps far more important, the men themselves are not equal. Only a minority of men are effective as combat soldiers. This is why “combat support” and “combat service support” soldiers outnumber combat soldiers in the military by about 15 to 1.

While the military fantasizes that “any man can be trained to be a combat soldier”, this is not the case, as a real soldier could beat 100 non-soldiers in a fight. However, there are far too few real combat soldiers to do all the work, so many who are mediocre join them in combat, even though they are not terribly effective in combat.

And here is the zinger. Among the superior combat soldiers, it is very common that they have a “biological imperative” to protect females, even at the cost of their own lives.

That is, they will stop performing their mission, and go out of their way to defend a woman they think is at risk, even if she is not. This neutralizes their effectiveness and could both get them killed and result in the failure of their mission.

They cannot be trained to *not* obey this biological imperative. They cannot be ordered to not protect females at risk. Nor can they be compelled to.

While the majority of men are more than willing to send women out to “draw fire”, they are almost certainly not superior warriors. But for these precious few to be neutralized, and fail their unit and their mission, will result in battles and even wars being lost.

Yet in the final analysis, this is not the women’s fault. But it is most certainly the fault of those who, as an argument of their pseudo-religion, insist that women must be equal to men by fighting in combat.

These fools will not only get men and women killed, and make the military fail in its mission; but absolutely nothing good will come from their efforts. Women will not change, and cannot be forced to change, and neither can men.

As much as their pseudo-religion says they can be. That they *must* be changed.


40 posted on 04/07/2013 5:37:19 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What a world we live in....


41 posted on 04/07/2013 6:11:08 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: gibsosa

Why does the VA director have the right to hire a non-competitive appt anyway. The person hired doesn’t even have to take a typing test and starts at 40K.


42 posted on 04/07/2013 6:25:06 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah, we still enjoy free speech in this country. Unless of course it goes against the progressive viewpoint.


43 posted on 04/07/2013 6:30:23 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Reality be damned. PC utopia, full speed ahead!


44 posted on 04/07/2013 6:42:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All

First we had the coined expression “Going Postal,” and now will we have a new expression called “Going Hormonal?”

Or maybe women should not be in Combat, PERIOD!


45 posted on 04/07/2013 7:58:07 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

How about ‘Going Menstrual’.


46 posted on 04/08/2013 12:20:07 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

” - - - How about ‘Going Menstrual’. - - - “

Not a chance. The phrase includes the dreaded word “Men” AND it is capitalized, both of which are clear violations of any respectable PC Word Police Manual.

However, both men and Women have hormones, so the phrase “Going Hormonal” is sexist neutral.

The implied, (and therefore insidious), sexist PC violation is that Women have a more noticeable reaction to periodic hormone changes than mere men.

In the coming BRAVE NEW WORLD ORDER of Zombie Fairness, perhaps those select few in Obamanation will be able to dictate what we should say and do to the good that is never perfect, but at least not wasted in the daily crisis management of Obamanation Counterculture.


47 posted on 04/08/2013 1:54:21 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

“However, both men and Women have hormones, so the phrase “Going Hormonal” is sexist neutral.”

I don’t know about that. I know some men who would have greatly benefited from some Midol.


48 posted on 04/08/2013 3:55:15 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: TigersEye

I told my husband the same thing regarding women priests in the Catholic Church...’do you really want someone with PMS or 9 months pregnant and completely imbalanced hormonally up there giving a homily on Sunday?’ LOL


49 posted on 04/08/2013 4:01:10 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (How long till my Arkansas drawl fades into the twang of southeast Ohio?)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

It’s not just PMS and hormones. There are certain realities of menstruation that would cause a number of problems in combat situations.


50 posted on 04/08/2013 4:12:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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