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What FDR said about Jews in private
L.A. Touches ^ | 4/7/13 | Rafael Medoff

Posted on 04/07/2013 8:00:57 PM PDT by Nachum

In May 1943, President Franklin Roosevelt met with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill at the White House. It was 17 months after Pearl Harbor and a little more than a year before D-Day. The two Allied leaders reviewed the war effort to date and exchanged thoughts on their plans for the postwar era. At one point in the discussion, FDR offered what he called "the best way to settle the Jewish question."

Vice President Henry Wallace, who noted the conversation in his diary, said Roosevelt spoke approvingly of a plan (recommended by geographer and Johns Hopkins University President Isaiah Bowman) "to spread the Jews thin all over the world." The diary entry adds: "The president said he had tried this out in [Meriwether] County, Georgia [where Roosevelt lived in the 1920s] and at Hyde Park on the basis of adding four or five Jewish families at each place. He claimed that the local population would have no objection if there were no more than that."

Roosevelt's "best way" remark is condescending and distasteful, and coming from anyone else it would probably be regarded as anti-Semitism. But more than that, FDR's support for "spreading the Jews thin" may hold the key to understanding a subject that has been at the center of controversy for decades: the American government's tepid response to the Holocaust.

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1 posted on 04/07/2013 8:00:57 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Gee...Liberals are anti-semites?

Who knew?

/s


2 posted on 04/07/2013 8:15:58 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Nachum

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Also this: http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-74168842/?related=true


3 posted on 04/07/2013 8:19:25 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: Nachum

I have heard that “tepid response” bit before. We bombed the major cities of Germany almost out of existance, smashed the Nazis and the allies freed the camps and we tried the war criminals that were left. What exactly was the response susposed to be beyond that...


4 posted on 04/07/2013 8:20:37 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Nachum

FDR and other Presidents recognized that some cultures historically did not assimilate into Western Civilizations. He saw these cultures as a pollution and the old solution to pollution was dilution.
He did it for their own good. Beware of of those in power who act for “your own good”.


5 posted on 04/07/2013 8:31:07 PM PDT by Phosgood (Send in the Clowns...but Wait, they're here!! >..<)
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To: Nachum

I’ve always despised FDR.


6 posted on 04/07/2013 8:37:08 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ejonesie22
The allies also extensively documented the deathcamps with photos and films so they would not be forgotten.

The creation of modern Israel was also part of the “response”.

A great deal of my family was killed in these camps and many survivors relocated to Israel. I don't think a single one was upset at the allied response.

7 posted on 04/07/2013 8:45:45 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: ejonesie22

I have heard that “tepid response” bit before. We bombed the major cities of Germany almost out of existance, smashed the Nazis and the allies freed the camps and we tried the war criminals that were left. What exactly was the response susposed to be beyond that...
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We didn’t kill them fast enough. We didn’t take the refugees in soon enough. Also, the American civilization at the time was probably a little too anglo saxon. that’s vanished of course.

Israel too has changed the very meaning of what it is to be Jewish and even Christian. So a lot of this talk doesn’t really translate very well into the era that came before the creation of the state of Israel.

Basically, we’ve entered the end times.


8 posted on 04/07/2013 8:53:05 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ejonesie22
REad the article. The response they are talking about is how FDR didn't listen to the pleas of Jews seaking refuge from the Holocaust, the thought they were whining.

Bottom line is that FDR is far from the man the Left has always portrayed. You know what makes me sick? Take a trip to DC and see what president has by far the most extensive memorial.

9 posted on 04/07/2013 8:53:27 PM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: Nachum

This might explain his ‘cerebral hemorrhage’. There is some evidence that it was caused by a small caliber bullet to his forehead...some have attributed it to the Mossad. It happened at Warm Springs, GA. Some have variously attributed it to his mistress, who is known to have been in Warm Springs at the time (after swearing to Eleanor that she would never see FDR again.

No, I am not a conspiracy theorist. One other thing...His casket was closed...no one allowed to see his body. Stalin sent Gromyko to view the body (Stalin suspected foul play), but Gromyko was denied the viewing.


10 posted on 04/07/2013 9:03:41 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Paradox

Washington has a state...


11 posted on 04/07/2013 9:05:14 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Nachum
I wouldn't fault his response. How many genocide victims of a different religion has Israel - present or historical - taken in? The writer's premise seems to be that the US, out of all the nations in the world, had this special obligation to shelter Jews. Note that the German genocide of the Herero tribe in South West Africa did not exactly lead to calls for their admission into the country.
12 posted on 04/07/2013 9:06:10 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: varyouga

“The allies also extensively documented the death camps with photos and films so they would not be forgotten.”

Eisenhower ordered that. For that reason...so that there would be evidence when the deniers would come forth (Today!)


13 posted on 04/07/2013 9:07:18 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Nachum

There’s also a significant element of special pleading here. Where were the calls, Jewish or otherwise, for admitting large numbers of Cambodian and Rwandan refugees during their notorious genocides?


14 posted on 04/07/2013 9:09:55 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Phosgood

“He saw these cultures as a pollution...”

And so did Hitler...


15 posted on 04/07/2013 9:13:50 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

God help me, but there are times when I think, why couldn’t they have directed their fury towards the Muslims instead?


16 posted on 04/07/2013 9:14:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Zhang Fei

If FDR’s response really was motivated by some overt prejudice against Jews, then that is what I would fault him for. But, I had not heard before that FDR had such a prejudice, and I wonder if the author is fair and accurate in his characterization of the private remarks which he uses to build his case. I am not ready to be convinced one way or another on this without more details.


17 posted on 04/07/2013 9:20:19 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
If FDR’s response really was motivated by some overt prejudice against Jews, then that is what I would fault him for. But, I had not heard before that FDR had such a prejudice, and I wonder if the author is fair and accurate in his characterization of the private remarks which he uses to build his case. I am not ready to be convinced one way or another on this without more details.

No one has to be prejudiced to be against admitting large numbers of foreign refugees, potential genocide victims or not, whether they are Jews, South West African Hereros, Cambodians, Rwandan Tutsis, Iraqi Christians, Egyptian Copts or Burmese Rohingyans. Was FDR less prejudiced against Japanese Americans, the Chinese, the Gypsies, the Slavs and so on? Tens of millions of Chinese were killed by Imperial Japan without any suggestion that FDR should have imported millions of them in to keep them safe. Ditto with Gypsies and Slavs who were slaughtered like sheep by Nazi Germany.

18 posted on 04/07/2013 9:29:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I think part of it is the sense that Jews for the most part are productive people who make contributions in all areas...however, some of the hesitation may have been based on the perception that many were adherents of socialism.


19 posted on 04/07/2013 9:31:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I think part of it is the sense that Jews for the most part are productive people who make contributions in all areas...however, some of the hesitation may have been based on the perception that many were adherents of socialism.

In other words, George Orwell's immortal quip in Animal Farm that all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others? On purely humanitarian grounds, I'd say there was no reason to privilege Jewish refugees over the many victims of genocide that include the Armenian and Ukrainian ones over the course of the 20th century. An Armenian or a Ukrainian might say "there are so many non-Armenians and non-Ukrainians in the world - you could kill hundreds of millions of them and still have plenty left over - why not save us first", but that, like this author's view, would represent a purely parochial argument.

20 posted on 04/07/2013 9:39:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Nachum

FDR lived during the pre-multi-culti time when the elites thought the best things in America are and will forever be reserved for the Anglo-Saxon race, and if you or your parents, grandparents weren’t English or German, you were tolerated, yes, but there were special names of dissing (which wasn’t yet an English word) reserved for your kind, just as pederasts during that period were called... pederasts, abortion was called... abortion, no one had ever heard of social justice, chicks in porno pictures were still dressed however skimpily, and women stayed in the kitchen where they belonged (and where they should of stayed, if you axe me!) We have become so enlightened now, haven’t we!


21 posted on 04/07/2013 9:41:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: ejonesie22

and that came AFTER the axis powers attacked Pearl Harbor......there was NO response prior even when news (though limited) was leaking out about the final solution


22 posted on 04/07/2013 9:48:17 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
and that came AFTER the axis powers attacked Pearl Harbor......there was NO response prior even when news (though limited) was leaking out about the final solution

Genocide has been part of the human experience since at least records started being kept. Our consignment of Indians to the most barren lands wasn't precisely genocide, but it wasn't a walk in the park for them, with many dying from malnutrition-induced diseases, starvation and exposure. There were also other genocides during the 20th century in response to which we did even less than we did for the Holocaust. We did not go to war over either the Armenian or Ukrainian genocides, and we certainly did not hold war crimes trials for the perpetrators of those atrocities.

23 posted on 04/07/2013 9:57:27 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Nachum
The very obvious anti-Israel bias of the Dems, (with Obummer as the most outstanding example) doesn't seem to matter to most Jewish voters. Election after election they vote en-bloc for the worst of the worst anti-Israel Dems at every opportunity. American Evangelical Christians stand solidly with Israel and are Israel's best friends and backers in the entire world. OTOH, America's left wing Jewish vote bloc seems to be among Israel's worst enemies, go figure. More proof that liberalism is a serious brain disorder.
24 posted on 04/07/2013 10:04:49 PM PDT by epow (Keep the faith Christians, but don't keep it to yourselves)
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The very obvious anti-Israel bias of the Dems, (with Obummer as the most outstanding example) doesn't seem to matter to most Jewish voters.

Democrats authorize, year after year, the $3b in grants we've handed to Israel since the Camp David Accords. And that's not counting the weapon systems that we sell to Israel that almost no other non-treaty ally gets, but are routinely authorized by Democratic legislators. How anti-Israel can they be? Supporters of Israel have few reasons to be disappointed in the Democratic party, apart from occasional pro-Arab rhetoric that's almost never backed up with action.

25 posted on 04/07/2013 10:14:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: varyouga

Well, they should have been, because our anti-semitic state dept refused entry to hundreds of refugees who had relatives here - lives lost in the death camos that could have been saved.


26 posted on 04/07/2013 10:16:05 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Zhang Fei

Many of them had relatives here. These were business people, professionals, who could have contributed to our society and to our war effort. Even that quasi-illiterate tinpot dictator Trujillo welcomed Jews from Europe into the DR.


27 posted on 04/07/2013 10:20:25 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo
Well, they should have been, because our anti-semitic state dept refused entry to hundreds of refugees who had relatives here - lives lost in the death camos that could have been saved.

I think they, unlike the author of this piece, understood that nobody is their keeper. FDR was no more to blame for their travails than any other US president was to blame for fate of the genocide victims of any other ethnic or religious group during his watch. The blame lies squarely on the perpetrators of those genocides. Neither Israel nor the US is responsible for taking in large numbers of potential genocide victims and no amount of rationalization or parochial argument will foist that responsibility upon them.

28 posted on 04/07/2013 10:23:13 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: varyouga

Indeed...


29 posted on 04/07/2013 10:29:28 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: kabumpo
Many of them had relatives here. These were business people, professionals, who could have contributed to our society and to our war effort. Even that quasi-illiterate tinpot dictator Trujillo welcomed Jews from Europe into the DR.

Trujillo had a thing about white immigration - he massacred a lot of blacks in an effort to cleanse the Dominican gene pool. Compared to Trujillo, FDR was the soul of moderation.

30 posted on 04/07/2013 10:30:15 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Nifster

Yes, that is when it came, when else was it supposed to?


31 posted on 04/07/2013 10:35:23 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

There were many Jews on ships off the coast of the USA that weren’t permitted in. That may be part of it.


32 posted on 04/07/2013 10:36:41 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (God humbles and (if need be) destroys the false idols of the peoples. Be patient, folks...)
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To: dfwgator

I would think that would all the more reason for FDR to help them.


33 posted on 04/07/2013 10:38:36 PM PDT by moonhawk (Free Republic: Show prep for Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: Zhang Fei

The author himself did not argue that FDR’s policies alone were sufficient to make the case that he was prejudiced against Jews. Rather the arguments he made rested heavily on some supposed private statements FDR made. As for myself, as I said before, I would fault FDR on being overtly prejudice if he really was so, but do not know if the author is being fair and accurate in his representation of FDR’s quotes.


34 posted on 04/07/2013 10:40:20 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: ckilmer

Yeah, that hindsight kicks in for some. The allies were on the run in Europe until we jumped in, so exactly how fast could something have been done. As one who studied the war for years I am amazed it went a quick as it did. Luck and stupidity in Germany played in as well. And yes saving the Jews would never have played that well in the US. Then the photos came out and the issue became real.


35 posted on 04/07/2013 10:40:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Could be a lot of politics in play then.


36 posted on 04/07/2013 10:43:40 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Zhang Fei
No one has to be prejudiced to be against admitting large numbers of foreign refugees, potential genocide victims or not

That's true, no one has to. But FDR was, and he and the (Arabist) British foreign service wouldn't let them into Palestine, either. So their boats foundered, or they were turned back to Europe and were killed by the Germans.

At the same time, liberals (who may not know they got their talking points from the KGB) are all over Pope Pius XII for "not doing enough" to help Italian Jews, when in fact he personally set in motion a campaign to hide Jews in Italian convents and seminaries and get Italian passports for tens of thousands of them. Between one measure and another, it's estimated Pius XII saved 490,000 Jews. The Chief Rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism after the War, and took the baptismal name "Eugenio" (the Pope's given name) in his honor.

I actually don't fault Roosevelt for sequestering the Nisei, a percentage of whom really were security risks—or rather, their Japanese-born parents and grandparents were (according to memoirs I've read by Nisei). But he really was a maniac who acted as if he had no fear of God.

37 posted on 04/07/2013 10:43:59 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Paradox

I did read the article, but this “tepid response” bit has been used in other context as well. FDR was no saint that’s for damn sure, but the left loves the SOB don’t they.


38 posted on 04/07/2013 10:46:57 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

You hit on it, I believe the main reason why the Shoah stands out from the other Holocausts, besides the sheer numbers, are the images that have been seered into our collective consciousness. The Nazis were so proud of what they were doing, they had the audacity to film the atrocities, and they, being Germans, documented everything.

The Soviet crimes were for the most part committed out of sight.


39 posted on 04/07/2013 10:51:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SamuraiScot
But FDR was, and he and the (Arabist) British foreign service wouldn't let them into Palestine, either.

And the Brits were not particularly at fault for denying them entry. British imperial rule rested on the most tenuous of threads - the belief among the local populace that London's rule was preferable to the alternative. Introducing large numbers of Jews into the Palestine Mandate had the potential of making British rule not just there, but everywhere a large Muslim population existed untenable, on the eve of a potential shooting war with the biggest economic and military power in Europe, Nazi Germany. Again, like FDR, British leaders had no obligation to let large numbers of Jewish or other refugees into their territory, whether Britain proper or British holdings around the world.

40 posted on 04/07/2013 10:57:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dfwgator

“God help me, but there are times when I think, why couldn’t they have directed their fury towards the Muslims instead?”

If we take the Nazis, the Jews, and the Muslims, which two were (and are) animated by Satan?


41 posted on 04/07/2013 10:59:21 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Nazism and Islam were more closely aligned than most people realize

Heinrich Himmler’s Remarkable Admiration For Islam: “It Promises Beautiful Women In Heaven”
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3964


42 posted on 04/07/2013 11:01:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Nazism and Islam were more closely aligned than most people realize Heinrich Himmler’s Remarkable Admiration For Islam: “It Promises Beautiful Women In Heaven”

There's actually a remarkable resemble between the Muslim paradise and Valhalla, where is where worshipers of Thor go if they die, sword in hand. Of course, the women in Valhalla aren't necessarily virgins.

43 posted on 04/07/2013 11:06:43 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: varyouga
I guess you didn't hear about the cruise ship that was refused entry to the US? They were sent back to Germany and exterminated.

FDR fought in Europe to help Britain, nothing more. He USED the Holocaust to kick the Nazi's in the crotch after the war. We would have done the same no matter what happened to the Jews. Even today, Jews vote Dem because of FDR and he didn't give a damn one way or the other. Today, who is it that takes the Pali's side over Israel? Dems!

Jews will be sold down the river by Dems yet they stay on the plantation just like blacks.

44 posted on 04/07/2013 11:07:36 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
They were sent back to Germany and exterminated.

Not quite true...The St Louis was sent back to Europe, and the passengers settled in countries like Holland, France and Belgium...at the time, they were considered safe...until the Nazis invaded a year later.

45 posted on 04/07/2013 11:10:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“Nazism and Islam were more closely aligned than most people realize”

Yes, indeedy.


46 posted on 04/07/2013 11:11:15 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: SamuraiScot
I actually don't fault Roosevelt for sequestering the Nisei, a percentage of whom really were security risks—or rather, their Japanese-born parents and grandparents were (according to memoirs I've read by Nisei).

I'd say that was racialism. It's one thing to intern individuals born abroad or even the first generation born stateside. They were interning individuals with 1/16 Japanese blood, which is to say they were interning the great-great-grandchildren of the original Japanese settler stateside.

47 posted on 04/07/2013 11:11:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Revolting cat!

All that WASP crap was Hudson Valley snobbery

I never saw that in Dixie

We loved our coonasses and Greeks and legs and guineas and Ulster Scots

Wasp patrimony was as alien to us as robber barons


48 posted on 04/07/2013 11:13:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: chuckles
He USED the Holocaust to kick the Nazi's in the crotch after the war.

That would be Truman. FDR died before the war ended.

49 posted on 04/07/2013 11:13:33 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: varyouga

Another thing to remember at the time, The Dems were the KKK. The Dems were the socialists which aligned more closely with Hitler. Many Newspapers and Holly Wood types supported Hitler. They were Dems. FDR fit in with this crowd.


50 posted on 04/07/2013 11:14:21 PM PDT by chuckles
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