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Boeing unveils updated F/A-XX sixth-gen fighter concept
Flight International ^ | 04/07/2013 | Dave Majumdar Washington DC

Posted on 04/07/2013 10:46:46 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Boeing unveils updated F/A-XX sixth-gen fighter concept

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The Boeing concept also features canards, which is somewhat of a surprise because the motion of those forward mounted control surfaces is generally assumed to compromise a stealth aircraft's frontal radar cross-section. But the lack of vertical tail surfaces suggests the aircraft would be optimized for all-aspect broadband stealth, which would be needed for operations in the most challenging anti-access/area denial environments.

Also of note in the manned version of the company's F/A-XX concept is the placement of the cockpit-rearward visibility appears to be restricted without the aid of a sensor apparatus similar to the F-35's distributed aperture system of six infrared cameras.

The Boeing F/A-XX concept is a response to a USN request for information (RFI) from April 2012 soliciting data for a replacement for the service's Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler fleets in the 2030s. The Super Hornet fleet is expected to start reaching the end of the jet's 9000h useful lifespan during that time period.

"The intent of this research is to solicit industry inputs on candidate solutions for CVN [nuclear-powered aircraft carrier] based aircraft to provide air supremacy with a multi-role strike capability in an anti-access/area denied (A2AD) operational environment," the navy RFI stated. "Primary missions include, but are not limited to, air warfare (AW), strike warfare (STW), surface warfare (SUW), and close air support (CAS)."

Navy leaders had said at the time that they expect any new F/A-XX design to have greatly increased range and offer far superior kinematic performance compared to existing tactical aircraft.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; faxx; usn

1 posted on 04/07/2013 10:46:46 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I hope they end up in the United States Navy and Air Force.


2 posted on 04/07/2013 11:04:25 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: laplata

I hope they don’t try/aren’t forced to try to make it a one sized fits all air mediocrity fighter.


3 posted on 04/07/2013 11:08:45 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How long has the F-22 been deployed? When will the F-35 be deployed? Why is Boeing working on a new fighter? Is this a joke?


4 posted on 04/07/2013 11:09:43 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: null and void

Good point.


5 posted on 04/07/2013 11:10:37 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: wastedyears

I like this design. It is futuristic and looks to be well ahead of what our competitor nations are designing. It’s wise to have more than just a few type of fighter designs in our arsenal. More is better.


6 posted on 04/07/2013 11:34:39 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

ping


7 posted on 04/07/2013 11:37:05 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: wastedyears
what's a horrible joke is the f-35!!!
8 posted on 04/07/2013 11:38:59 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: wastedyears

This is, essentially, the F-22’s carrier-based counterpart. I suspect Boeing is just acknowledging the reality that the F-35 is a failure.


9 posted on 04/07/2013 11:42:57 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: wastedyears

“Why is Boeing working on a new fighter?”

Didn’t read the article?
“The Boeing F/A-XX concept is a response to a USN request for information (RFI) from April 2012 soliciting data for a replacement for the service’s Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler fleets in the 2030s. The Super Hornet fleet is expected to start reaching the end of the jet’s 9000h useful lifespan during that time period.”


10 posted on 04/07/2013 11:43:24 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: wastedyears
How long has the F-22 been deployed? When will the F-35 be deployed? Why is Boeing working on a new fighter? Is this a joke?

No joke. The procurement and development cycle for fighter aircraft is just longer than it would seem. It was over to 25 years from the time the F22 was first on the drawing board until it was operational. That's just how long these things take.

11 posted on 04/08/2013 12:05:26 AM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The question, of course, is: Should America be building an invincible muslim/communist-controlled military?


12 posted on 04/08/2013 1:47:24 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: laplata

These look a damn sight better than their last proposal.


13 posted on 04/08/2013 4:12:50 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

does it run on Boeings famous batteries?


14 posted on 04/08/2013 5:05:25 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Rich21IE

The bad batteries are made in Japan.


15 posted on 04/08/2013 5:17:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Sparticus
It's not just the time of development, but when that time occurs and what ideology is in charge of spending the money at that time.

Jimmi Carter killed the B-1A and decimated the military spending and R&D. Imagine what he could have done with 4 more years.

Instead, we got Ronald Reagan(!) who revived the B-1 and other programs, built the F-16 and F/A-18 in quantity and rebuilt our military that Carter and crew tore down.

Programs like the F-22 or the F-35 or anything else, such as SDI, don't do well, and rarely follow schedules with socialists and communists in charge. Those ideologies do NOT want us to be a strong nation and do all they can to make us weak.

New tech has teething problems, especially the most cutting edge, but those naturally occurring problems are then used against the program by those who want to kill it, be they in government or the one stream media.

Every aircraft in our inventory has been first hated and threatened with death by those who later praise them and brag about their capabilities.

But, make no mistake, they would have preferred each die on the drawing board or as prototypes and did all they could to make that happen.

The F-35's development is testament to their methods. Who is really hurt? You and I.

16 posted on 04/08/2013 5:44:54 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

17 posted on 04/08/2013 5:53:54 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: wastedyears
How long has the F-22 been deployed? Around ten years When will the F-35 be deployed?It already is.
18 posted on 04/08/2013 6:31:23 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Little Pig

Why does Boeing need to acknowledge the reality that the F-35 is a failure?

It’s not Boeing’s airplane.

Both the F22 and the F35 are products of Lockheed Martin.


19 posted on 04/08/2013 6:43:18 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Meanwhile our military budgets keep shrinking and our economy keeps contracting because we are OUTSOURCING everything in our economy.

Bring back US manufacturing.

Now.


20 posted on 04/08/2013 6:47:06 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Nice thought, but not exactly on topic...


21 posted on 04/08/2013 6:48:37 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Not exactly off-topic.

How are we going to build these, when all “our” manufacturing is going to China?


22 posted on 04/08/2013 6:49:53 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Little Pig
Boeing's entry in that contest was the x-32, which I liked because it had a maw like a pelican:


23 posted on 04/08/2013 7:02:29 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: TalonDJ

I don’t think the F-35 is deployed yet. Perhaps a few trainers are but it is not deployed for combat. That is still years away.


24 posted on 04/08/2013 7:40:25 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: dalereed
what's a horrible joke is the f-35!!!

On the technical/software side I've heard the project uses C++ and not Ada like the F-22 does/did. {I'm unclear as to whether the F-22 transitioned to C++ or not; I seem to remember an article talking about it because they "had difficulty" finding Ada programmers... as if the cost to training competent programers to use it was less than the cost of hiring incompetent/unwilling programmers.}

Personally I want to use a language that helps me catch stupid mistakes rather than just pass detectable mistakes into production.

25 posted on 04/08/2013 7:51:27 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Sparticus
That's just how long these things take.

Really? How long did it take to develop and deploy an atomic bomb from a cold start?

With slide rules, chalk, and all manual machine tools?

How long should it take now with high performance computers, CAD/CAM, CNC machine tools and 3-d printers?

26 posted on 04/08/2013 8:28:54 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: Hardraade

*sigh*


27 posted on 04/08/2013 8:29:54 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: PLMerite

AKA, the Monica...


28 posted on 04/08/2013 8:31:47 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Boeing F/A-XX concept is a response to a USN request for information (RFI) from April 2012 soliciting data for a replacement for the service's Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler fleets in the 2030s.

Which means it will be delivered in the mid-2040's and hundreds of billions overbudget.

29 posted on 04/08/2013 8:32:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: jpsb

No, not for combat yet...but very little is deployed for combat right now because we aren’t fighting anything. The training squadrons are operational and have been for a few some months now. It takes time top build up enough supply of planes and pilots. The F22 was fully operational for several years before they sent one to a war zone.


30 posted on 04/08/2013 8:52:10 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: null and void

A modern fighter is much more complex than an atomic bomb. You can make computers and Cad twice as fast but that does not make an engineer twice as productive.


31 posted on 04/08/2013 8:55:32 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

They aren’t. Don’t believe everything you read.


32 posted on 04/08/2013 8:57:19 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
Yep. And any job will expand to consume all the time and money it is allowed to.
33 posted on 04/08/2013 8:59:00 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: jpsb

Don’t tell VMFA-121 that they don’t have any F-35Bs or that their TOE will not be at full complement by the end of CY 2013.


34 posted on 04/08/2013 9:08:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: null and void

What is Mil Spec on code generation? How many lines of code were written, beta tested, reviewed, corrected and released during the Manhattan project? Any idea how many lines of code are required for each variant of the F-35?


35 posted on 04/08/2013 9:15:48 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: wastedyears

These are probably being developed for sale to China so we can fund ObamaCare. ;)


36 posted on 04/08/2013 9:18:40 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: null and void

Yup. And unless we are willing to double the bill UP FRONT and have two companies compete all the way to production, then we are stuck with that. I would rather we did that. At least then the costs would ONLY double (hopefully :P).


37 posted on 04/08/2013 10:30:41 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Millions. Several of them. And every one has to be thoroughly reviewed and tested.


38 posted on 04/08/2013 10:33:06 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Definately better looking.


39 posted on 04/08/2013 11:29:04 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Manufacturing fighter jets is still something we can do at home.


40 posted on 04/08/2013 3:38:00 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Not for long, if we have no money.

That is the thing I have the biggest problem with in all this.

OUR SIDE is all for making things in China.

Now because of that, we are facing a relentlessly growing, relentlessly more powerful and egotistical even, China which has now grown to the extent that China now makes and exports more than America does.

And America’s products are SHRINKING.

We must do this differently. I agree we should keep defense strong, but we should keep AMERICA strong.

All our jobs need to be protected, and brought back home.

Now.


41 posted on 04/08/2013 6:12:15 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Mind you in all this:

I am not in the military.

I do not know, and do not want to know, anything about what may or may not be ... whatever. Don’t even go there.

But it sure seems right now, our appetites have gotten (far, far) ahead of our budgets.

We need to bring US production home. Not just jets.

All sorts of things.

Now.


42 posted on 04/08/2013 6:28:10 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: null and void
Really? How long did it take to develop and deploy an atomic bomb from a cold start?

With slide rules, chalk, and all manual machine tools?

How long should it take now with high performance computers, CAD/CAM, CNC machine tools and 3-d printers?

I would hazard a guess and say that a modern stealth fighter is orders of magnitude more complex than the WWII era bombs. Just the avionics software alone has millions of lines of code which has to be of much higher quality than typical software applications.

43 posted on 04/08/2013 9:26:35 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: John Valentine

My point was that the F-35 was supposed to have a carrier variant as well, and given that it hasn’t even done well as a regular land-based aircraft, Boeing is making sure they have a proposal ready to go when the Navy comes calling.


44 posted on 04/08/2013 11:25:50 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

yeah there are some F35s out there for testing, evaluation (which is going poorly) and training. None are deployed for combat nor will any be deployed for combat anytime soon. The F22 one the other hand is operational and in production. Maybe we should scrap the F35 and go with the F22 instead.


45 posted on 04/09/2013 6:35:21 AM PDT by jpsb
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