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Father Ends Crime Spree by Shooting Armed Robber Outside Burger King
Gateway Pundit ^ | April 7, 2013 | Mara Zebest

Posted on 04/08/2013 6:10:52 AM PDT by expat1000

A father who was robbed while eating with his family took out his own gun and shot the suspect, Miami Police said.

It happened at about 1 p.m. Friday at the Burger King restaurant at Biscayne Boulevard and Northeast 17th Street, police said.

The robber walked in, flashed his gun to the family, demanded their valuables, then headed for the door, according to police.

The father, fearing for his life, took out his gun and shot the suspect in the leg as he stood outside the restaurant, police said.

The suspect, 36-year-old Travis Harris, jumped into a getaway Ford F-150 and took off, police said.

Police said they found him and the driver, 38-year-old Ramon Smalls, a few blocks away thanks to a Good Samaritan who followed them and alerted police. The two suspects were taken into custody at a gas station at Northeast 2nd Avenue and 26th Street after they apparently ran out of fuel, police added.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
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Another example that a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. Hat tip to gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/video-father-ends-crime-spree-by-shooting-armed-robber-outside-burger-king/
1 posted on 04/08/2013 6:10:52 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Too bad he didn’t nick the femoral artery.


2 posted on 04/08/2013 6:13:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: expat1000

a getaway car that runs out of fuel, you can’t make this stuff up


3 posted on 04/08/2013 6:14:33 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Priceless! I guess the Hospital wasn’t in their plans either!


4 posted on 04/08/2013 6:18:00 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: expat1000
The father, fearing for his life, took out his gun and shot the suspect in the leg as he stood outside the restaurant, police said.

The suspect, 36-year-old Travis Harris, jumped hopped into a getaway Ford F-150 and took off, police said.

Fixed it.

5 posted on 04/08/2013 6:18:35 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: yldstrk

Poor planning at it’s finest. One problem I see possibly confronting the family man. If the perp had already left the premises, is it a justifiable shoot? Not sure how the cops and DA in miami will handle that. Hopefully the dad walks. Oh yeah. Did the perps look like any of king hussein’s sons?


6 posted on 04/08/2013 6:18:57 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: yldstrk
a getaway car that runs out of fuel, you can’t make this stuff up

My wife accuses me of being slightly OCD because I fill up the tank the night before we go to my son's house. My son lives 32 miles away.

If I were planning a robbery, I'd probably need to install a 30 gallon auxiliary tank and fill it up as well. These putzes probably had to do the robbery first to get enough cash to put in a couple of gallons.

7 posted on 04/08/2013 6:23:12 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: yldstrk
a getaway car that runs out of fuel, you can’t make this stuff up

Looks like the same guy, previous arrest. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer!


8 posted on 04/08/2013 6:23:19 AM PDT by expat1000 (Sultan Knish: "Bigotry is no longer about what you do, but how other people feel about it.")
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

when I was in the military, they taught that we should never go below half a tank


9 posted on 04/08/2013 6:25:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rktman

“The father who fired his gun is not being charged, police said.”

>>Oh yeah. Did the perps look like any of king hussein’s sons?

Three guesses. The first two don’t count.


10 posted on 04/08/2013 6:25:25 AM PDT by expat1000 (Sultan Knish: "Bigotry is no longer about what you do, but how other people feel about it.")
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To: rktman

Dad might walk from criminal proscuetion (let’s hope), but he’s going to go bankrupt in civil court. Butthead stupid move on his part.


11 posted on 04/08/2013 6:26:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: yldstrk

“a getaway car that runs out of fuel, you can’t make this stuff up”

Sure sign of a weakened economy.


12 posted on 04/08/2013 6:26:28 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

I shouldn’t laugh at someone else’s misfortune, but I’m glad I was not drinking coffee when I read that!


13 posted on 04/08/2013 6:27:17 AM PDT by expat1000 (Sultan Knish: "Bigotry is no longer about what you do, but how other people feel about it.")
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To: expat1000

CBS video http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/04/05/two-suspects-jailed-one-shot-after-burger-king-robbery/


14 posted on 04/08/2013 6:28:06 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: rktman
Poor planning at it’s finest. One problem I see possibly confronting the family man. If the perp had already left the premises, is it a justifiable shoot? Not sure how the cops and DA in miami will handle that. Hopefully the dad walks.

Exactly. Here in NC we can only shoot if we are in imminent danger and fear for our lives. I am glad the robber was caught, and I hope the shooter has a great lawyer.

15 posted on 04/08/2013 6:30:08 AM PDT by convocation (Malachi 2:17)
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To: rktman; yldstrk

Perhaps the reason for the robbery was to get money for gas to get to work the next day


16 posted on 04/08/2013 6:31:53 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Wolfie

He went outside to see where the perp went and/or get the license number. . .and Son of The Messiah was standing there holding a gun and the guy was in fear of his life or the life of an innocent by-stander. . .so the guy shot him. . .that’s how I see it. . . .that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.


17 posted on 04/08/2013 6:32:01 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: yldstrk

They were stealing money to buy fuel. I have heard worse, like being caught while attempting to flee the scene on foot or on a bicycle. When committing robbery always drive a fully fueled pickup truck with a fully fueled motorcycle in the back and wear sneakers in case all else fails.


18 posted on 04/08/2013 6:33:51 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: bert

uh huh, that’s the ticket


19 posted on 04/08/2013 6:35:19 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: expat1000

Just wondering...
the demographic “African American male, age 15-25” makes up what percentage of the population and what percentage of the crimes committed?


20 posted on 04/08/2013 6:35:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

>>the demographic “African American male, age 15-25” makes up what percentage of the population and what percentage of the crimes committed?

That’s absolutely unfair - to young men. One of these guys was 36. Don’t know about the other one.


21 posted on 04/08/2013 6:37:49 AM PDT by expat1000 (Sultan Knish: "Bigotry is no longer about what you do, but how other people feel about it.")
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To: expat1000
The father who fired his gun is not being charged, police said.”

I'm glad, but I think we can assume that the guy is either a cop, or related to a cop to get off with so little inquiry. Unfortunately, if that dad were just a regular citizen, he'd have the bright lights shined in his face and some poor woman crying on the news that her boy is a good man and never was gonna hurt nobody with his gun and now her poor baby'll never be able to walk normally again.

22 posted on 04/08/2013 6:37:59 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Wolfie

The perps stole the familys’ cellphones. Would stand your ground come into play?


23 posted on 04/08/2013 6:39:29 AM PDT by expat1000 (Sultan Knish: "Bigotry is no longer about what you do, but how other people feel about it.")
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To: expat1000

Wow... it used to be that once over 30, these guys slowed down a bit with their criminal behavior.

But I don’t think it’s “unfair” to examine the demographic that I outlined and the disproportional level of criminal behavior, especially violent criminal behavior.

The IBD had an article this morning that answered the question of “why”... and we all know this answer - fatherlessness.

And the cause of the fatherlessness is LIBERAL POLICY.


24 posted on 04/08/2013 6:42:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Wolfie

Why? I never understood that civil court thing. Just wondering.


25 posted on 04/08/2013 6:43:35 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The most insidious power the news media has, is the power to ignore.)
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To: carriage_hill

That’s where one person sues another person.


26 posted on 04/08/2013 6:45:56 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Wolfie
Dad might walk from criminal proscuetion (let’s hope), but he’s going to go bankrupt in civil court. Butthead stupid move on his part.

Not in Florida he won't.

27 posted on 04/08/2013 6:46:49 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: MrB

Actually I probably should have inserted a /sarc tag as you did not miss the mark by much. Or maybe /smirk would have been best.

Yes, liberals do not much like the idea of either fathers or even mothers. All good things like love, nurturing, food, shelter, education should be provided by the STATE in their view.


28 posted on 04/08/2013 6:47:11 AM PDT by expat1000 (Sultan Knish: "Bigotry is no longer about what you do, but how other people feel about it.")
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
I know someone that was carjacked in the parking lot of a McDonald's (Tacony in Philly)... the perp couldn't drive stick and just bucked it around until the cops came and picked him up.

The owner of the car told me how she stood there watching the fool and laughing.

29 posted on 04/08/2013 6:49:11 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: expat1000

With a biblical worldview, it’s easy to see that these destructive policies and viewpoints are none other than Satanic in origin.


30 posted on 04/08/2013 6:49:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bert

Dang. I should have figured that was the reason. They were “entitled” to the money (but not gas) so they could power their fossil fuel powered vehicle to get to their jobs all week long. I guess they must just do stick ups as a second job. Too bad so many folks have to have a second job huh?


31 posted on 04/08/2013 6:54:10 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: expat1000

Sounds like the Zimmerman case except the shooter wasn’t getting his brains beaten in.

Pray for America


32 posted on 04/08/2013 6:59:36 AM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: Wolfie
Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law offers complete immunity from civil prosecution. The main reason it is hated by Ambulance Chasers.

Even better if Dad kills the perp. His accomplice would be charged with felony murder. Sometimes, Florida doesn't completely suck.

33 posted on 04/08/2013 7:02:24 AM PDT by 10mm
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" If the perp had already left the premises, is it a justifiable shoot?"

It would have been in TX, I think- don't know about FL.

34 posted on 04/08/2013 7:02:36 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Fast and Furious fizzled- Enter Sandy Hook.)
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To: RipSawyer

You forgot the belt to hold up their pants for when they have to run from the cops! lol


35 posted on 04/08/2013 7:04:08 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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36 posted on 04/08/2013 7:07:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: yldstrk; bert; rktman

This is how it will play out:

Your Honor, my client was merely seeking to purchase some skittles, and while on the way realized he was out of gas. My client is guilty of nothing more than seeking to borrow gas money from “the father” - he did not deserve to get shot in the leg. For his injuries and mental anguish, we are asking you to award my client $100,000 in compensatory damages from “the father”.


37 posted on 04/08/2013 7:16:47 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: expat1000; SpinnerWebb
Police said they found him and the driver, 38-year-old Ramon Smalls

I wonder if he's related to Leonard

38 posted on 04/08/2013 7:18:45 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: yldstrk

Yep. Not being familiar with Miami, I Googled it. They made it all of 0.8 miles before running out of gas. Which one are we going to call Einstein, and which one Dirac?


39 posted on 04/08/2013 7:20:57 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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When I lived in FL and took the ccw class, they were very specific about when you could and couldn’t take the shot. Things may have changed since I took the class but according to the instructors lesson at that time this would NOT have been a justifiable shoot. Shooter better have deep pockets since this asshat will look for deprivation of future earning potential compensation. Just another free ride for one of king husseins sons.


40 posted on 04/08/2013 7:28:26 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: expat1000

This is a marvelous lesson in some of the advantages of concealed carry.

CC sends the “degree of difficulty” of armed robbery through the roof, and gives huge advantages to the cc-carrying victim, even if the robber is brandishing a gun, pointing it at the victim, and the hammer is back.

First of all, the robber wants to rob, not kill, then get away. He does not want to be witnessed, or have somebody sneak up behind him. And he has to be aware of an escape route or two, and that they remain open.

So his attention is all over the place, looking in all directions, not just the victim, ready to bolt at moment’s notice for several reasons, and, often as not, he is high on some drug or alcohol, further diminishing his capacity.

But the cc victim is focused. Find an opportunity, draw my gun while taking it off safe, and light the robber up. Your intent is not to rob the robber, but to shoot him. Hopefully a bunch, not once at a time with a pause to see if your bullets have “worked”.

The cc victim can shoot any time he wants. If the robber says he has a gun, or holds the gun in his pocket, or is distracted, or when he reaches down to get valuables you have tossed on the ground, or even when he is leaving.

(Oh, and the big secret, that a lot of guns used by robbers don’t even work.)

It’s comparable to waiting for an opening when you want to make a left turn across traffic. If you see an opportunity, you can take it or not, or wait until a better opportunity. Or even wait for a red light in the opposing lane, and for a nice person to stop and leave you a gap to cross.

The tactical advantages of cc are huge. The dad in this instance did not want any risk to his kids at all, so at first cooperated, and only shot when the robber was trying to get away. He did right. Judgment call as to whether he did right enough times.


41 posted on 04/08/2013 7:57:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: expat1000
The robber walked in, flashed his gun to the family, demanded their valuables, then headed for the door, according to police. The father, fearing for his life, took out his gun and shot the suspect in the leg as he stood outside the restaurant, police said.

As a civil or criminal juror, I would accept the father's statement at face value. The predator would get nothing in civil court, and the decent citizen would not even be convicted of "disturbing the peace" or of "discharging a firearm within city limits" if I was on the jury. Decent people need to make time for jury duty and put an end to abusive prosecution (like Martin Zimmerman but less publicized) and to frivolous or abusive lawsuits (such as a criminal who whines because he got shot by his victim).

42 posted on 04/08/2013 7:57:51 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success.)
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To: yldstrk

Hubby was in the army and then was a firefighter for 33 years. He is OCD about gas in the car. I will run it to the red line but anything close to 1/4 of a tank deserves a fill-up in his view.


43 posted on 04/08/2013 7:58:17 AM PDT by sheana
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To: expat1000

Admittedly, I did not click out to the article and read the whole thing, but was there a “Crime Spree” or was this a simple robbery? I don’t see any mention of the series of robberies or other crimes that one would normally think of when hearing the words “Crime Spree” as mentioned in the title.


44 posted on 04/08/2013 8:31:12 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: yldstrk
when I was in the military, they taught that we should never go below half a tank

Wife is emphatic about it after being caught low during an impending Florida hurricane, when all the gas stations shut down and bailed.

Years later a mechanic said that with these new cars, driving too often with a low tank left the internal gas pump exposed and not insulated by the gas, and tended to fail more often.

Between the two, I now top off when I get near a half tank.

45 posted on 04/08/2013 8:32:57 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: yldstrk

IF they had the $80 for a fill up, they wouldn’t be robbin’ nobody!

oh... and why can’t dad hit center mass, inside 15 yds.?


46 posted on 04/08/2013 8:35:12 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: expat1000

ONE MILLION carry permits in Florida. Crime is not a good idea.

CT is an free range crime zone, criminals are welcome in connecticut. Where the homes are rich, the citizens unarmed, and the TV shows use bows and arrows.


47 posted on 04/08/2013 8:39:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: yldstrk

My wife and I argue about this. We drive cars with very good mileage. She fills up almost every time she passes a Sams Club or Costco (ok, a little exaggeration there), while I wait until 1/4 tank or so is left. That’s still over 100 miles until empty. I don’t think it is efficient to fill up at 1/2 tank, unless you plan on driving on roads where there is no gas for hundreds of miles.


48 posted on 04/08/2013 8:41:24 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: expat1000

A happy news story for today!!


49 posted on 04/08/2013 8:41:57 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: rktman

the “alleged” criminal had already demonstrated he was a danger to the father and others. It was an ongoing threat. He robbed a store in broad daylight, not a rational act. He could easily have decided to eliminate witnesses.


50 posted on 04/08/2013 8:53:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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