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'Gay' Marriage: Bill O'Reilly Misses the Point
American Thinker ^ | 04/08/2013 | Monte Kuligowski

Posted on 04/08/2013 7:25:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

During the highly publicized exchange between Bill O'Reilly and Laura Ingraham on "gay" marriage, O'Reilly made this statement: "There are Bible thumpers, and all they do is say, 'I object to gay marriage because God objects to it.' You don't win a policy debate in America with that."

Really?

Before central control out of Washington was imposed in 2003, policy arguments for criminalizing homosexual acts were won explicitly "with that." And because of "that," the idea of "gay" marriage has been unthinkable throughout the history of the American nation.

Just over four years ago, during the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama was part of the winning policy debate in America, disapproving of "gay" marriage. That moral debate, consistent with America's history, was won "with that." In fact, Barack Obama was quite the Bible-thumper on the campaign trail.

Barack Obama was for "gay" marriage (1996) before he was against it (2004 Senate race; 2008 presidential race) before he was for it again (2012). But during his tenure during which he was against it, he based his opposition to it on "that." The "that," of course, was his alleged Christian faith.

At the Rick Warren forum in August of 2008, Obama stated: "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God is in the mix."

Hmm. We learn in the Bible that God considers marriage a sacred union. In fact, Christian cultures have long referred to marriage as "holy matrimony." Though polygamy existed in ancient cultures, there is no biblical record of God establishing it. God originally placed one man with one woman, and in the New Testament, God makes clear that a man should have one wife.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billoreilly; gaymarriage; homosexuality

1 posted on 04/08/2013 7:25:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

BOR thinks 3000000 viewers makes him god. It does not.


2 posted on 04/08/2013 7:27:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: SeekAndFind

O’who?

Oh, yeah, the guy who really thinks a Harvard MBA is worth a plugged nickel in the world of reality.


3 posted on 04/08/2013 7:29:12 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a conservative and Bill O just always seems to annoy more than anything. I’m married to someone who likes to watch him. I have hearing aids and I always turn it off or down so I don’t have to listen to him lol


4 posted on 04/08/2013 7:30:52 AM PDT by Babashane
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To: SeekAndFind
You'll never win over the world's opinion/approval by stating God's law, because the two are inherently in opposition.

It's just a matter of Whom you want to WILL be accountable to.

5 posted on 04/08/2013 7:31:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
Once Gay Marriage is the law of the Land.
The libtards will use it to CRUSH groups like the Boy Scouts and Religious Institutions.

6 posted on 04/08/2013 7:33:06 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: SeekAndFind

Count me among the ex-watchers


7 posted on 04/08/2013 7:34:19 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Falcon4.0

“Gay rights” is a spearpoint in the war on Christianity that the left is conducting for their master.


8 posted on 04/08/2013 7:36:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bmwcyle

BOR thinks 3000000 viewers makes him god. It does not.

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The antichrist will have more followers than this fool. O’Reilly is just as arrogant a narcissist as Obama.

I here that when you invite him to a party at your home you have to hide all your mirrors to keep him from spending all night talking to himself.


9 posted on 04/08/2013 7:37:45 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oreilly is past his sell by date


10 posted on 04/08/2013 7:41:08 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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11 posted on 04/08/2013 7:41:15 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: SeekAndFind

Between politics and God, God will win every time.

We can shake our fists at God, prohibit His name from being mentioned in political debates (except as a curse word), and deny His relevance in the public square.

Bit when it comes down to it, all of us, both as individuals and as a nation, will one day have to answer to Him, and Him alone.


12 posted on 04/08/2013 7:44:05 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: MrB

Great point.

We are already being forced to chose between gay rights and religious liberty.


13 posted on 04/08/2013 7:49:55 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: keats5

The goal is to criminalize Christianity, to use the power of the State to oppress, punish, and exterminate Christians.

“Gay rights” is simply a vehicle to that end.

Look at what Canada’s been doing, and you’ll see the beginnings of that goal coming to fruition.


14 posted on 04/08/2013 7:59:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

What has happened to the sex drive of young males that they prefer gay sex to any kind of sex with a female? Are these young men afraid to pursue sex with females for fear of rejection, or what is the possible reason they get involved with gay sex?

The CDC recently had a statistic of 110 MILLION ACTIVE STD INFECTIONS IN THE US. (This may have been reported on this forum,) but ONE out of THREE Americans has an active STD of one kind or another.


15 posted on 04/08/2013 8:00:20 AM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: mohresearcher
...What has happened to the sex drive of young males that they prefer gay sex to any kind of sex with a female...

They are in a state of suspended adolescence, narcissistically fascinated with their own genitals. The closest thing to their own genitalia is that of another man. They have not reached the maturity that attracts them to the "other," i.e., that which is not like them. Add to that the desire for male closeness that many boys miss out on due to being raised by single mothers.

16 posted on 04/08/2013 8:14:37 AM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: mohresearcher

Gay young men screw like rabbits, and it doesn’t matter to them a whit whether they know the person they’re having sex with. Think of how easy that is compared to working to build and maintain a relationship with a woman.


17 posted on 04/08/2013 8:15:27 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with the idea that the religious argument isn’t the best argument and if anything retreating to that argument has been used to box the issue in. However Bill who is supposed to be a conservative Catholic is being intellectually dishonest because there are plenty of secular non religious arguments the problem is who does he bring on his show to talk about SSM? Does he bring a PhD who makes a secular and even scientific argument against it? No he doesn’t he and “conservative” media almost unilaterally call on religious representatives or political activists. So who has made it seem as if the only argument is a religious argument? It has been Bill and others. I believe that there are several strong arguments to be made.

1. The liberty argument. Homosexual activists are one of the most relentless users of political correctness and thought police methods. This is a clear winner for SSM opponents and there are hundreds of examples of how SSM has been used to discriminate against and suppress anyone who even causally disagrees with gay propaganda on the issue. The problem is conservative media fails to make the over arching case. While the left makes a gay student going to the Prom a national issue our conservative media can’t seem to find time to whip up the fervor when a student is kicked out of a college program because of disapproval of homosexuality/SSM. Every time a person is fired or discriminated because of views running contrary to gay activism they should be highlighted and given national attention as examples of how gay activism/SSM threatens liberty.

2. Show gay activists for what they are. We have allowed two faces of gay activism to exist. One for public consumption and the real one that is filled with sexual exhibitionism, obscenity, and vulgarity. The later would never be accepted by the mainstream but because the media doesn’t dare show or even discuss the reality of gay pride and gay activism people most of whom do not wish to expose themselves to such things end up thinking gay activism is about “equal marriage” and innocuous. Shouldn’t homosexuals be held to the same standards of decency as straights? I’ve never seen the degree of depravity in parades and in events as is typically on display at gay related activities.

3. The biological argument. Homosexuality is at its core damaging to the human organism’s ability to reproduce which from a pure Darwinian perspective is the definition of unfitness. This angle I believe hasn’t been used as effectively as it could against the left in general to provide a wedge. A lot of young people have been led to falsely believe that opposition to SSM and homosexuality is just a product of religion much as Feminists pushed the idea that the differences between men and women were just products of environment and “the patriarchy”. The reluctance to point out how homosexuality runs contrary to evolution I believe is rooted in that many especially religious opponents are afraid of using the tools of their foes against them plus many are afraid of the implications to their own views on reproduction because many religious people live essentially lives that could’ve just as easily been defined by Planned Parenthood minus abortion.

That said the religious argument shouldn’t be ignored because religious liberty faces a dire threat because SSM is really a tool to co-opt and control religious primarily Christian groups. Its a way to define Christianity as bigotry and anyone who thinks this is just the worry of “Bible Thumpers” is an idiot because government suppressing/control of religion and family is the key to establishing what is an essentially centralized secular state religion which will threaten liberty for all.


18 posted on 04/08/2013 8:37:02 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: mohresearcher

After checking the CDC STI estimates fact sheet, I would suggest that there is a high degree of likelihood that the 110 million active infections includes multiple diagnoses within a single patient. I seriously doubt that 110 million individual Americans has a sexually transmitted infection. If this were true, then I submit there would be a much higher number of people infected.


19 posted on 04/08/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: MrB

I stand with CHRIST! o’reilly does not.

LLS


20 posted on 04/08/2013 8:40:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: SeekAndFind

OReily is still the “current affairs” tabloid TV whore. He is unwatchable as whoraldo or MSNBC or CNN.

OReily is hanging out too much with shep smith, also unwatchable.

This s the NYC mindset. Oreily is a fraud and a fake. For the money he would go to cnn or msnbc.

I bet he is the reason Glen Beck was pushed out of FNC. Beck was 1000% better than Oreily.


21 posted on 04/08/2013 8:43:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

Made a NY resolution...haven’t watched cable news since 2008...life is good


22 posted on 04/08/2013 8:50:01 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Maelstorm
That said the religious argument shouldn’t be ignored

The history of the church has been clear on sexual immorality and has pointed out the evils pedophilia, adultery, homosexuality. It's society that keeps flip flopping on the issue.

23 posted on 04/08/2013 8:54:29 AM PDT by dragonblustar (2 Peter 3:18)
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To: dragonblustar

Well to be honest I don’t think churches in general have been as clear as they should be on moral issues. Its been good to see the Catholic church reaffirming many core values.


24 posted on 04/08/2013 9:08:02 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee Bill, How about the fact that oral and anal sex is not necessary in procreation.

Marriage is for procreation.

Got that numbnuts?


25 posted on 04/08/2013 9:17:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: binreadin

Maybe if we were to legalize prostitution and remove the stigma attached to it, that would help alleviate the gay problem?


26 posted on 04/08/2013 9:22:28 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is where O’Reilly’s argument falls apart.

If not God is not the Supreme arbiter of right and wrong, who is?

Why is homosexuality ok, but not bestiality?

I live in a state where bestiality is legal, unless you can prove that the animal didn’t enjoy it. In other words, it’s ok as long as the animal is on top.

We have had several high profile bestiality cases and guess what, all the men involved were homosexuals, not that all homosexuals also engage in bestiality. So what’s the difference, morally, and who is the arbiter of what is moral and not moral, legal and not legal.

Should we force WA State Bestiality laws on all states, make it a federal law?


27 posted on 04/08/2013 9:32:20 AM PDT by Eva
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Think of Obama guard dog Bull OReilly this way. When Obama is on the golf course and not using his teleprompter, OReilly is borrowing it. /s


28 posted on 04/08/2013 9:32:30 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Eva

If something is legal, do you have to do it?


29 posted on 04/08/2013 9:38:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: bmwcyle

Yes, he has a God complex. He doesn’t realize what all geniuses, since Socrates knew: ‘The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”

BORe is no Socrates-—he is a Postmodernist-—someone who can’t Reason. Marxism removed Natural Laws so they could reduce man to an animal (no individualism/unique qualities like maleness/femaleness) and uses Pavlovian “training” methods (Common Core) on your children to make them into one response/feelings/association zombies who never can use their intellect because they have NO truth, no knowledge, no bases for reasoning. The Marxists’ lies that are given to small kids destroys Reason (the intellect) and reduces man to an animal that “feels” good and evil.

BORe ignores all of history-—the fact that cultures are important-—toxic cultures which promote Vice will collapse societies. You can NOT put evil ideas (as normal) into the heads of little kids and expect them to grow up and become Rational human beings.

They will become like the Afghani boys—who grow up in harems and their “desires” are to have harems of boys when they become “men”.

BORe-—I quit listening to that person 8 years ago-—and have read extensively so I can see through his lies and agitprop. He is part of the Hegelian Dialectic-—he is a tool-—a useful idiot to move us to the NWO.

By the way——this quote sums up everything: Our tradition of political thought had its definite beginning in the teachings of Plato and Aristotle. I believe it came to a no less definite end in the theories of Karl Marx. (Hannah Arandt).

You can NOT have “thinking” children unless you remove them from the Matrix (TV and Public schools) and replace “education” with the Classics and the Bible-—the Wisdom which creates the Age of Reason and Knowledge of history and human nature and created science (the truth as far as we are capable of understanding it!)

You can NEVER afford your children to be treated like dogs (BF Skinner)-—which is what public schools are intentionally designed to do-—create Adam Lanzas—intentionally. Iserbyt and Eakman and Gatto has written about this curricula for decades——GET EDUCATED and save the next generation. They want the minds of children to be destroyed and perverted-—sodomy/boys is the end game—to Satanism/Luciferean/Freemasonry-—NWO. A return to pagan/occult societies where the elite can party and corral people and put them in a coliseum for entertainment.....cradle to grave—control exactly what and how you think so they can be like Nero

The few who have not read up on the extreme evil of Leftism/Satanism/paganism-—better do it now. Read Fr. Oko’s report on Homomafia/Homoheresy, if you don’t understand their mafia-like techniques. They are extremely evil-—they use children and will kill and mutilate them, just like their hero, the Fabian Socialist, John Maynard Keynes who castrated little boys and bragged and laughed about it in all his homosexual orgies at Harvard and throughout Europe and Asia and in his letters. Research it-—Sugar Keynes at Harvard.

BTW, he created the economics system which collapsed England and is destroying America. And you “wonder” why there is a “push” to make sodomy into a “respectable” behavior, when it is a Vice and vile and dehumanizing?
This Marxist movement has been inculcated and normalized through public schools and universities and TV/Movies. The Left controls these things. They controlled the publishing companies and newspapers since early 1900’s to promote The Beats and other degenerates and make them “popular” to destroy Virtue (which will destroy Freedom).

I have studied Leftism for decades—including the sexually perverted Serial Killers-—they are of the same mindset as the NWO illuminati or whatever they call thenselves—the Agenda 21 folks.

They will eliminate the useless eaters for the Bill Gates’ elites believe there are billions too many on this earth, even though all humans could be fit into the State of Texas with room to spare. (oh, those perceptions which are designed to elicit “emotions”-—so you feel revulsion when you see all the people—you see the starving African babies with bloated bellies and flies circling their mouth.) You are “trained” to “feel” by TV/agitprop. Psychologists since Freud’s cousin, Bernais, has been marketing “ideas” since the early 1900’s to force women to smoke cigarettes—which they wouldn’t do until psychologists designed a marketing methodology using media.

Paul Ehrlich “The Population Bomb”-—he was a Leftist—used to create “perceptions” in the ignorant and the immoral—to remove God and make an “abortion” culture-—to kill not just babies and your own genetic offspring—to condition people to “euthanize” their parents. It is the slippery slope as the Catholic Church has noted even about contraception. You are “in a matrix” if you can not understand the “slippery slope” argument which is proven throughout history.

Perceptions-—all are controlled by the Leftists...and they are controlling you with their TV/public schools. Get free. There are pockets of knowledge and Wisdom-—the Bible/Classics-—prior to when the filth of the Rhine came to America in the 30’s. (Cultural Marxism) and with Keynes at Harvard before that-—to set up the Matrix and take over the elite “universities” to indoctrinate and destroy morality.

Sorry this is so long-—I know I am preaching to the choir. But I hope if there is more understanding, more information, more research-—all the puzzle pieces fall together, and the above may help direct people to the truth. The Leviathan is closing in on us. It may be too late-—but I pray that it is not. We have to get rid of government control of schools—and Corporate control of schools. Local control/parental control is the only acceptable course—and WE need to educate our children and NOT allow the State to indoctrinate/condition them to “feel” Right and Wrong.


30 posted on 04/08/2013 9:50:16 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

Correction: It was Edward Bernays-—the nephew of Sigmund Freud that was the beginning of using psychology to effect “change” in the “habits” of humans.

Women refused to “smoke” when cigarettes first were marketed so the cigarette companies hired Bernays who made cigarettes “attractive” and “desirable” to people around 1910 or so....he succeeded with media and newspapers which used images-—the association: beauty/intelligence/cigarettes. Women overcame their revulsion of the vulgar, bad smelling, destructive cancer stick with marketing. That is how strong “associations” are......Pavlov proved this.

BF SKinner-—and you wonder why 20 year olds can’t reason. THey have been fed “associations” for decades of their early childhood. The “correct feelings” (the TV will promote their agenda- homosexuals/sweet/good/smart) overwhelm the intellect, and reality is thrown out the window. They become irrational which is what Marxism is.


31 posted on 04/08/2013 10:05:18 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Maelstorm
Well to be honest I don’t think churches in general have been as clear as they should be on moral issues.

I agree with you on today's churches but the when the church first started, the first couple hundred years or so, the leaders have written about sexual immorality as being evil. Today the churches are infected with worldly desires.

32 posted on 04/08/2013 10:42:23 AM PDT by dragonblustar (2 Peter 3:18)
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To: stuartcr

There is a difference between not illegal actions and actions that are codified as legal, such as abortion or Gay marriage. Actions that are codified as legal implies public approval and as such enables the participants in the codified action to claim duress by those who do not approve of the action.

To support legalization of Gay Marriage to offer approval. On the other hand, you could support Gay unions with all the same rights and benefits as marriage, without really approving of the actions of homosexuality.


33 posted on 04/08/2013 12:32:25 PM PDT by Eva
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To: MrB

Gay rights is is the wedge being used to raise Statism above God.


34 posted on 04/08/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by Eva
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To: stuartcr

Back to the bestiality example. I don’t really care if a man would rather have sex with his dog (or his horse) than a woman, any more than I care if a man picks another man as his partner, but that doesn’t mean that I approve or want my children being taught that bestiality or homosexuality is a normal way of life. But, then again, they aren’t asking my approval of bestiality.

Would you approve of the Gay Lobby teaching the use of gerbils, the same way they are teaching fisting to teen-agers. Is the use of gerbils also ok in your mind? Should the use of gerbils be legal? In WA State the use of gerbils is illegal because the gerbils obviously don’t enjoy it, but some might argue that gerbils are, after all, raised to feed to pet snakes.


35 posted on 04/08/2013 12:54:58 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

ok


36 posted on 04/08/2013 1:00:46 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Eva

To be completely honest with you, the only time I think about this topic, is here on FR, as no one I know ever talks about the whole gay thing. I didn’t know that the gay lobby teaches fisting to teenagers. In fact, I’ve never even been exposed to anything gay lobby-like.


37 posted on 04/08/2013 1:04:47 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

The whole issue of Gay Marriage is a matter of control. The left knows that if they can control the language, they can control public dialogue and through control of the dialogue, they can control the elections. Moral relativity is pushed through relativity of the language.

Right now, Obama and the left are calling for sex education, starting in kindergarten. Oh, and yes they have taught fisting to teenagers and Obama has just dumped a whole lot of money on Planned Parenthood to implement their gay sex education in public schools in certain states, including WA, Idaho, Oregon and Alaska.

By the way, WA State has a kind of history for sexual tourism. First, it was the Gay bath houses, where the customers could purchase the meth before retiring to a room with a random partner. That ended when a customer from New York was exposed for having knowingly exposed the other customers to AIDS. The guy was sentenced to public service of speaking out against the use of meth to enhance gay sex. Then, there was the Animal Farm, that also attracted an international clientele. It was closed down after a man who was having sex with a horse died and the video went viral on the internet. Then, there was the animal farm in the county where I live. It was smaller than the other one and I don’t think that it include horses, but it was started with the man’s own dog, a great Dane, whom he dearly loved, but no one ever suggested that it should be called a marriage. That man went to jail because they said that the animals weren’t enjoying the sex.

How do you think that the WA State Bestiality laws would go over in other states.


38 posted on 04/08/2013 1:49:59 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Similar to a lead balloon, but not the kind they made on Mythbusters.


39 posted on 04/08/2013 2:29:27 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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