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Nearly 700,000 Guestworker Visas Issued In 2012
Center For Immigration Studies ^ | 02 April 2013 | Jessica Vaughan

Posted on 04/08/2013 10:40:47 AM PDT by zeestephen

About two-thirds skilled, one-third unskilled. Last week, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) announced that the AFL-CIO and Chamber of Commerce had agreed on a proposal to increase the number of unskilled guestworker visas above and beyond the number already being issued.

(Excerpt) Read more at cis.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; guestworkersvisa; immigration
The 700,000 figure is deceptive.

Many work visas are good for several years, and some work visas are actually valid indefinitely.

Also, many work visas issued in prior years can be renewed, often for periods up to six years.

The Center for Immigration Studies has estimated that the total number of people working in the USA with a valid visa is about 1 million.

1 posted on 04/08/2013 10:40:47 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

America’s job market is booming! If you’re a foreigner.


2 posted on 04/08/2013 10:43:18 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: zeestephen
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) announced that the AFL-CIO and Chamber of Commerce had agreed on a proposal to increase the number of unskilled guestworker visas above and beyond the number already being issued.

They announce this as if it's the best thing to happen in years.

HOW I LOATHE THE LEFT

3 posted on 04/08/2013 10:43:46 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: zeestephen

H1B’s are decimating the IT industry.

H-1B Professional Skilled 136,000


4 posted on 04/08/2013 10:43:55 AM PDT by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: TSgt

WTH is this? Anyone?
TN Nafta Professionals Skilled 75,000*


5 posted on 04/08/2013 10:46:21 AM PDT by sheana
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To: TSgt

Yes, but if an H-1B saves just one American’s job, it will be worth it!

(s) nully, who was displaced by THREE H-1B’s on his last job...


6 posted on 04/08/2013 10:46:25 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: sheana
WTH is this? Anyone?

Treason.

7 posted on 04/08/2013 10:47:11 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: zeestephen

There might soon be a lot more than 11 million new “guest workers” if the traitors in congress have their way. These “guests” are eating us out of house and home.


8 posted on 04/08/2013 10:48:26 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: zeestephen
About two-thirds skilled

...about 80% of those are petroleum engineers from the middle east....gas station attendants, who eventually wind up over extending their "work" visas

9 posted on 04/08/2013 10:53:27 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: sheana
WTH is this? Anyone? TN Nafta Professionals Skilled 75,000*

NAFTA contained provisions which allowed a certain number of workers in various categories to come to the US each year. Not sure of the details, but one objection to NAFTA was that it changed immigration law without those provisions being debated, or even known about by most.

10 posted on 04/08/2013 11:05:51 AM PDT by Will88
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To: TSgt
“H1B’s are decimating the IT industry.”

“H-1B Professional Skilled 136,000”

That actually understates the problem.

Many H-1B’s are renewable up to six years.

H-1B’s are also quite often a direct path to a Green Card.

That means the reported visa total goes down, but the worker is still in the USA.

Last year CIS did an analysis of native born Americans who had a science or technology degree.

From memory, 2 million were either unemployed or working in a field not related to their degree.

11 posted on 04/08/2013 11:06:33 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Will88

that it changed law without those provisions being debated, or even known about by most.

Take out the immigration part and it is business as usual.
Thanks


12 posted on 04/08/2013 11:18:49 AM PDT by sheana
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To: zeestephen
Last year CIS did an analysis of native born Americans who had a science or technology degree. From memory, 2 million were either unemployed or working in a field not related to their degree.

That's a very surprising figure given the current salary levels for those graduating with technical degrees. The last time I looked the top 9 paying jobs were going to various engineering categories with Petroleum Engineering at the top at $80K+. Hard to believe there is a surplus of Petroleum Engineers if they are paying that much for someone still wet behind the ears and with just 4 years of college.

Take a look at Engineering Salaries 2012 for a little counter programming. You'll see some pretty big salary numbers tossed around.

Who is CIS? I'll try to find your reference. And note that you have to be careful with the term "science degree". Study psychology and you get a "science degree". We need to look at the the CIS definition.

13 posted on 04/08/2013 11:21:14 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: zeestephen

Those native-born Americans are only responding to incentives, with a sub-optimal result, much like those that won’t pursue science/technology degrees due to the problem. Why would someone bother with something that isn’t going to bring in a favorable(or just positive) return on investment?

The problem with guest workers is that citizenship is discouraged - since the H1-b program is first a vehicle for offshore knowledge transfer as well as a government program that distorts the labor market.

On top of that, the US Government itself knew there was a problem with enforcement before the public at large did. The incentives that keep the program going also make enforcement ineffective.

There may be a path that exists, but citizenship would work against the dual incentives to keep the guest worker captive and to export knowledge to another country. It would be far better to just scrap every guest worker program and the underpinning immigration law set in 1965.

In all cases, it is far better to encourage freedom - not captivity. When that is done, it attracts those that want to work and live here - having choices as a productive citizen. Who knows, they might actually form a business, employ people, and promote the idea that the American Dream is attainable.


14 posted on 04/08/2013 11:31:43 AM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: Puppage

If we didn’t have so many illegals people in these unskilled jobs could maybe get paid a little more. I know any talk of higher wages is generally met with disdain here but a tighter labor market would be a beautiful thing.


15 posted on 04/08/2013 11:37:17 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

Here’s a twofer: give those ‘guest worker’ passes to the citizens of Detroit. I mean they’re looking for work, right?


16 posted on 04/08/2013 11:45:03 AM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Here’s a twofer: give those ‘guest worker’ passes to the citizens of Detroit. I mean they’re looking for work, right?


17 posted on 04/08/2013 11:45:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: TSgt
H1B’s are decimating the IT industry.

I personally believe that bringing in all of these foreign IT people is why we have so many vulnerabilities in code. If I am a foreign worker and I leave a back door access, why then I can blackmail when I get back home. It is insidious, but I believe it happens all the time.

18 posted on 04/08/2013 12:12:37 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: setha

You forgot the /sarc tag.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/5490-decrees-by-obamas-czars-threaten-americas-energy-and-our-freedom

And that was written more than two years ago.


19 posted on 04/08/2013 12:14:14 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: null and void

” Treason. “

Including the Chamber of Commerce.

It gets cheap labor, and America gets the tab.


20 posted on 04/08/2013 12:17:24 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sheana

Lots of articles about it if you’re interested in more information:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=nafta+work+visa&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest


21 posted on 04/08/2013 12:41:19 PM PDT by Will88
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To: InterceptPoint
“CIS” is Center for Immigration Studies.

Just click the link on the posted article to get to their home page.

They do much original research, and they also maintain an archive of all Ph.D dissertations on USA immigration issues.

I don't have time to search right now, but I'm certain it was a 2012 article.

As I recall, the survey included only STEM degrees, not the social sciences, but it may have included economics.

Also, I don't mean to imply that ALL those native born STEM graduates left their field unwillingly.

No doubt many have found more satisfying work in other areas.

As to salary, I find median salary much more helpful than mean salary.

Overwhelmingly, foreign technology workers earn near or below the median salary.

They are NOT geniuses.

They compete against recent graduates and mid-level engineers.

I can verify that from personal experience.

I live in the heart of Microsoft country.

Most of the foreign programmers in east King County are paid less than $75k.

They are nice people, they are competent, they work very hard, but they are NOT geniuses.

The “genius” scam spills over into the Ph.D arena, also.

Foreign Ph.D STEM graduates have wide latitude to stay and work in the USA for many years.

But which ones do?

Among Ph.D STEM grads from western Europe, Japan, and the Persian Gulf, 80% return to their native country.

Among Ph.D STEM grads from China, India, Russia, and eastern Europe, 80% are still in the USA after 5 years.

Once again, most of the Ph.D's who stay are NOT geniuses.

On a per capita basis, foreign Ph.D's in America have their work cited fewer times than native born Ph.D's.

I'll search for that link, too.

Bottom line.....

Politically, I think we have the same goal - bring the most brilliant scientists and engineers in the world to the USA.

I think that number is probably 10,000 to 15,000 a year.

I am absolutely certain it is NOT 700,000 a year.

22 posted on 04/08/2013 3:30:33 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Politically, I think we have the same goal - bring the most brilliant scientists and engineers in the world to the USA.

That is correct. We need the right balance and we need the best and brightest engineers working for American companies.

I worked for many years as an engineer and as an engineering program manager and so I saw a lot of really smart guys and gals who weren't born in this country. I worked for several years for a Japanese fellow who was in Japan when the bomb dropped. He came to this country after the war and helped the U.S. become a leader in phased array and satellite antenna technology. But I've seen a lot of just as smart students come out of UCLA and USC and Purdue and Stanford and Cal Tech and MIT and do the same thing.

I did a STEM search on the CIS website and I came up with a couple of articles that may be the ones you are referencing:

THIS ARTICLE:STEM Sham .

Or it could be THIS ONE:Is President Obama Right About Engineers?

There is an interesting chart in the second article. Here it is:

I'm not quite sure what to make of it and I certainly don't know what a "General Engineer" is. Never met one but it doesn't look like a good category. But neither does Electrical Engineering. And note that there aren't too many Petroleum Engineers looking for a job.

A caution. Some of the engineers simply retired before they reached 65. I've seen that a lot and I managed it by a couple of years. And some have started business that benefit from their technical skills. And some are simply managers that would say no to the question of whether they are employed as engineers.

In any case, my real concern relates to who is getting into the STEM programs at our Universities. There are at least two theories running around:

1. The foreign students are getting the slots because there is a financial incentive for the Universities due to the higher tuitions paid by those foreign students.

2. Those slacker Americans are not up the hard work that it takes to get a STEM related degree.

It's probably a combination of both ideas. I'm not sure. But I'd like to know the truth.

23 posted on 04/08/2013 4:48:15 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: zeestephen

bkmk


24 posted on 04/08/2013 4:59:13 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (Offended!)
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