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Calif. court: Motorist canít use hand-held map
Associated Press ^ | Apr 8, 2013 5:57 PM EDT | Paul Elias

Posted on 04/08/2013 7:07:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Steven Spriggs was stopped in a traffic jam near downtown Fresno and thought nothing of whipping out his iPhone 4 and clicking on the map feature to see if there was an alternate route around the construction mess.

He was startled when he looked up and saw a California Highway Patrol motorcycle officer ordering him to pull over. He showed the officer that he was looking at a map and not texting or talking.

“Pull over,” Spriggs recalled the officer as saying. “It’s in your hand.”

A little more than a year later, Spriggs is at the heart of a novel court case that has technology blogs and social media sites buzzing about the $160 ticket plus court costs he was ordered to pay for “distracted driving.” …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: california; distracteddriving; driving; dwtexting; fascism; fresno; frivolouslaws; fruitsandnuts; lofan

1 posted on 04/08/2013 7:07:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I see the cops’ point, but this is certainly no more distracting than trying to follow a paper map.

Texting, OTOH, I agree is totally unacceptable while driving. Found this out after a very close call myself.

Don’t do it.


2 posted on 04/08/2013 7:11:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Ironic that cops use all kinds of devices while they drive.


3 posted on 04/08/2013 7:14:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Oh but they’re trained and professional drivers /droll sarcasm


4 posted on 04/08/2013 7:15:39 PM PDT by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: driftdiver

Except Reason and some common sense don’t forget they are really just revenue collectors


5 posted on 04/08/2013 7:15:58 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Sherman Logan

But being stopped in traffic and checking out the iPhone for a way around the mess? Not exactly driving, there. Looks like Fresno is defining a motorist as anyone who merely sits in the driver’s seat.


6 posted on 04/08/2013 7:16:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
My favorite navigator on iphone is WAZE because you can report police real-time with it and get the alerts of them on voice and map.

We have a exception for Nav devices here but if I was in CA I would hold the phone out of view of the windows,

7 posted on 04/08/2013 7:16:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: driftdiver
I was driving through Chicago a couple of years ago. State cop drove by me while she was talking on a cell phone up to her ear. In Chicago you must have a hands free device.

There are different laws for us and them.

8 posted on 04/08/2013 7:17:22 PM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: Olog-hai

If the map says you’re in California, you’re lost.


9 posted on 04/08/2013 7:17:40 PM PDT by februus
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To: Olog-hai
Looks like Fresno is defining a motorist as anyone who merely sits in the driver’s seat.

That's the standard for DUI. In some states, anyway. You can be arrested if parked and asleep if you're even in the front seat. Get in the back and you're ok.

10 posted on 04/08/2013 7:17:50 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Olog-hai
But being stopped in traffic and checking out the iPhone for a way around the mess? Not exactly driving, there. Looks like Fresno is defining a motorist as anyone who merely sits in the driver’s seat.

If you can get a DUI without actually driving, but just being in a parked car while intoxicated, this isn't a stretch.

11 posted on 04/08/2013 7:18:27 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: driftdiver

They are the worst! I see it a lot.


12 posted on 04/08/2013 7:19:23 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Sherman Logan

Paper map reading is dangerous too. It’s just that few persons did it back then so it was not a measurable bump in accidents.

Too many people text, which Liberty Mutual equates with driving at triple the legal blood alcohol level.

Map reading has to be as bad as texting. The map has to load, accurate scrolling and swiping gestures are needed. It’s just not worth it.

Somehow, built in navigation systems and hands free phone conversations get a pass.


13 posted on 04/08/2013 7:19:51 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Olog-hai

When I am at a red light that I know will be long in duration, I check my phone for email. I don’t really feel distracted. I put it down when the light turns green.

I wish common sense were the rule and not the exception.


14 posted on 04/08/2013 7:29:31 PM PDT by bubbacluck (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: cicero2k
The map has to load, accurate scrolling and swiping gestures are needed. It’s just not worth it...

When flying small aircraft, electronic maps are all the rage... whether built-in or not. Of course, if you are in cloud, and you've got nothing else, the cop can't see 'ya

15 posted on 04/08/2013 7:45:16 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: driftdiver

The Outer Party members always get a few privileges. Like guns they can keep at home.


16 posted on 04/08/2013 7:46:10 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: liege

How do you know that the light has turned green?


17 posted on 04/08/2013 7:47:22 PM PDT by Misterioso ("The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Olog-hai

I have a 200 channel scanner. It is one of those which have a lot of frequencies which are no longer allowed. I hardly ever use it unless a cop car comes by with lights and siren.

I heard one a few months ago who had pulled over a motorist for not signaling a turn. From my window at my computer I can see an intersection of two rural highways. I started watching and so far not a single cop car has signaled a turn. Not a single one.


18 posted on 04/08/2013 7:49:27 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“no more distracting than trying to follow a paper map”

Man that used to scare the dickens out of me when I would try to use a map while driving LOL!


19 posted on 04/08/2013 7:56:20 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Misterioso
How do you know that the light has turned green?

The car behind me honks, in a New York second.

20 posted on 04/08/2013 7:59:55 PM PDT by bubbacluck (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: Olog-hai

Good. Anyone knows that a person can pull up a map app...on a second’s notice. It is COMPLETELY different than having a REAL map with him.

Let him fry...


21 posted on 04/08/2013 8:00:45 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Olog-hai

Keep digging, Texas loves this kind of nonsense.


22 posted on 04/08/2013 8:02:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Olog-hai

I see looking at your instrument panel readings or making adjustments to your radio system just as distracting. What is one more piece of information than something that tells where you are?


23 posted on 04/08/2013 8:05:00 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: liege

I bet you hear quite a few honks, these days.


24 posted on 04/08/2013 8:05:34 PM PDT by Misterioso ("The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time." - Ayn Rand)
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To: All

technology has already passed the law.

you have to type names. you can talk text without typing.

this officer has too much time on his hands.


25 posted on 04/08/2013 8:19:17 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: liege; Misterioso
How do you know that the light has turned green?
The car behind me honks, in a New York second.

In New York City you can experience the fastest event known to man, so fast that it is nearly immeasurable. That would be the amount of time that passes between the light turning green and the car behind you honking. (Even though this time span under normal conditions in close to immeasurable, it has been documented that it is much shorter if the vehicle behind you is painted yellow...)

26 posted on 04/08/2013 8:37:23 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Misterioso

Well, like I said, I only do it at red lights that I know are a long red. I do look up from my phone, am aware of my surroundings and I do have a sense of when the traffic patterns change. I have never had a legitimate honk behind me because I was so enraptured with my electronic device.


27 posted on 04/08/2013 8:46:31 PM PDT by bubbacluck (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: Olog-hai
I am shocked they didn't rule the driver had no standing to appeal. That appears to be the judicial wussy-out recently in vogue.
28 posted on 04/08/2013 8:47:08 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: jonrick46

Any phone call can be very distracting. A hand-held cell phone call is very distracting, while driving. Glancing at your instrument panel, or adjusting the radio are (usually) less distracting. They don’t require much of your attention.

I find that my window-mounted GPS isn’t distracting, when it’s in voice mode. Sometimes, it removes distractions — e.g. you don’t need to look at every street sign, or building address, when you’re traveling to an unfamiliar destination. You can focus on road and traffic conditions, rather than navigating.


29 posted on 04/08/2013 8:47:40 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Olog-hai

California is collapsing. Tickets are all about revenue, nothing else. So of course the ticket was upheld - plus “costs.”


30 posted on 04/08/2013 8:50:08 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Olog-hai

Our courts are completely insane!


31 posted on 04/08/2013 8:51:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Olog-hai
Until then, Hamlin wrote, courts are compelled to deem illegal nearly all uses of hand-held phone by motorists.

nearly all uses? well then, which uses are deemed legal?

32 posted on 04/08/2013 8:54:03 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Your point about the levels of distraction is very true. Being able to deal with things that distract are part of the skill of being a good driver. I think laws can go too far trying to regulate distractions. I have noticed that once they start the regulations, they go into the ridiculous. And one careless driver will cause needless regulations that will affect everyone else.


33 posted on 04/08/2013 9:37:46 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Olog-hai

More stupid nannyism.


34 posted on 04/08/2013 9:52:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: driftdiver
Ironic that cops use all kinds of devices while they drive.

There are lots of videos of cops crashing while distracted using their laptop computers in police vehicles. Departments are paying out lots of money to settle crashes. The dashcam videos show the cops running red lights, slamming into the rear of motorcycles and vehicles stopped at intersections, etc. Cops get a pass because these devices aren't wireless phones.

35 posted on 04/08/2013 11:46:55 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Sherman Logan

Really???

So, how do you imagine cops make it through an 8 hour shift without subjecting themselves to the same offense you want to accuse this poor plick of violating???

You ain’t a bad poster, so we can start there, hopefully.

I just don’t like the premise of the offense...


36 posted on 04/09/2013 12:27:47 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: liege

Oh it is, it’s just that THEIR view of common sense is that writing tickets is great for state revenue and since people have a knee-jerk reaction to cellphones and drivers, they’ll never miss the opportunity to whip out the pad if they can pin anything on you.


37 posted on 04/09/2013 12:37:52 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s no more distracting than using a microphone
for a 2 way radio or an in car data terminal....both
of which are in constant use by the elite super human
macho badgemonkeys who are immune to the laws that the
rest of us mere mundanes must obey. Distracted driving
is distracted driving....either the law applies to
EVERYONE or it is not a law but a petty beaurocratic
regulation imposed by apparatchiks and their hired thugs...
all of whom are deserving of a good neck stretching.


38 posted on 04/09/2013 12:53:07 AM PDT by nvscanman
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To: Olog-hai

All the more reasons to research into privacy windows that can change the tint or even to be reflective for a short period of time.

Or they just show an image of you like a video, while behind the glass you are doing something else.


39 posted on 04/09/2013 1:34:23 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Olog-hai; Sherman Logan

I agree with you olog — this is a stupid move by the cops. But I believe the law would be so ambiguously worded that anyone sitting in the driving seat with the engine on could be considered a “driver of a moving car”


40 posted on 04/09/2013 4:49:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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