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To: WhiskeyX

Marco Rubio was born in Florida in 1956 to parents who legally migrated from pre-Castro Cuba.

Bobby Jindal was born in Louisiana in 1971 to parents who legally migrated from India.

Neither “owes allegiance” to the nation of their parent’s birth, Rubio in particular.

I may have issues with both if they decide to run in 2016, based on their stances on certain issues, but this asinine natural born citizen stuff is just plain awful.


27 posted on 04/09/2013 7:07:04 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: mquinn

“Marco Rubio was born in Florida in 1956 to parents who legally migrated from pre-Castro Cuba.”

Marco Rubio’s parents were Cuban citizens at the time when their son, Marco Rubio, was born in the United States. Marco Rubio’s parents had ample opportunities to apply for and obtain U.S. citizenship many years before marco Rubio’s birth, and they did not choose to obtain that U.S. citizenship. If Marco Rubio’s parents had chosen to renounce their Cuban citizenship and their natural born citizenship to a sovereign Cuba, irrespective of its lawful or unalwful regime, then Marco Rubio would have been a natural born citizen of the United States because his parents wwre U.S. Citizens at the time of Marco Rubio’s birth in the United States. Unfortunateely for Marco Rubio, his parents elected to retain their Cuban citizenship in the hopes of returning home to a non-Communist Cuba at some day in the future. Conseequently, Marco Rubio was a natural born Cuban Citizen die to his parents electing to remain citizens of Cuba and Cuba’s pre-Communist and Communist laws recognizing the right of foreign born children of Cuban citizen parents to claim their natural born Cuban citizenship.

The fact that the United States laws permit Marco Rubio to renounce his natural born Cuban citizenship in favor of retaining his native born U.S. citizenship option does nothing to change the fact his natural born allegiance was to the sovereign nation of Cuba, while his adoptive native born citizenship gave Marco Rubio the alternative option of renouncing his natural born allegiance to the his parents sovereign nation and choose instead to adopt an allegiance to the sovereign United States. A antural born citizen by contrast has no option to shoose citizenship and allegiancee to a sovereign nation different from the sovereign nation in which the parents are citizens. Like naturalized citizeenship, an adopted citizenship, whether or not it is due to the place of nativity, is inherently not natural born citizenship, because natural born citizenship is by definition the citizenship of a peerson’s parents and parent’s allegiance. In some nations and cultures, natural born citizenship is even more demanding in qualifications, because a person must also prove their ancestors back a certain number of generations weere also members citizens of that ethnic group and/or nation. Natural born citizenship is not about where the person was born. natural born citizenship is about to whom you were born and what ethnic and/or citizenship your parents were at your birth or at their birth.

“Bobby Jindal was born in Louisiana in 1971 to parents who legally migrated from India.”

The fact that Bobby Jindal’s foreign parents weere lawfully admitted to the United States as foreign students and/or workeers does nothing whatsoever to change the fact they were citizens of the foreign nation of India and owing alleegiance to the nation of India when Bobby Jindal was born in Louisian, and the United States with his parents natural born Indian citizenship and the option of adopting native born U.S. citizenship or not. becasue Bobby Jindal was born with a natural born citizen of India in addition to native born citizenship in the United States, his natural born citizenship in the foreign nation and foreign sovereignty of india precludes his possibly being a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination or pettifoggery. Bobby Jindal, like Marco Rubio, are disqualified by the Constitution’s natural born citizeen clause from serving in the Office of the presideent or Vice President.

“Neither ‘owes allegiance’ to the nation of their parent’s birth, Rubio in particular.”

That is an utterly false statement, and you should really know better than to go around making such false statements. The citizenship laws of India, Cuba, and international law are quite clear about the citizenship and allegiancee requiements of their Indian and Cuban parents. Bobby Jindal had a right to acknowlede and claim his Indian citizenship. The same is true of Marco Rubio, who could have claimed his natural born Cuban citizenship at any time up to a certain age. If they were actually true natural born U.S. citizens, they could not possibly have claimed the natural born citizenships of India and Cuba. Instead, they woud have been forced to become naturalized citizens of India or Cuba. Look it up, and you’ll see this is correct. A natural born U.S. citizen by definition does not have any foreign citizenship or allegiance to a foreign sovereign at birth or at anytime after birth.

I may have issues with both if they decide to run in 2016, based on their stances on certain issues, but this asinine natural born citizen stuff is just plain awful.


32 posted on 04/09/2013 7:47:38 AM PDT by WhiskeyX (The answer is very simple and easy to understand economics. The U.S. Treasury is printing vast)
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To: mquinn
"...this asinine natural born citizen stuff is just plain awful."

You aren't alone Mquinn. Many low-information voters, a number active here on Free Republic, would also like to see provisions of the Constitution quietly disappear, including the 1at and 2nd Amendments. Many, probably including yourself, repeat the usual garbage that “because it wasn't defined in the Constitution...” That is garbage because the Constitution doesn't, for very good reasons, contain definitions.

Beyond that there are dozens of supreme court cases in which the common-law definition is repeated, five by Chief Justices. There is one case where only the principle is repeated because the definition was essential to the decision, Minor v. Happersett which decision was unanimous, and where the Chief Justice, Morrison Waite, nailed the definition which was then cited repeatedly, including in Wong Kim Ark and Perkins v. Elg, as precedence.

Rubio’s candidacy would protect the leadership of the Republican party, which knew full well that Obama, a natural born subject of the British Commonwealth, and a naturalized citizen by his own admission, was ineligible, but cooperated, either to help Obama, or because McCain too was ineligible, but powerful and senior in the plaid pants wing of the GOP, and felt he was owed the chance. It was the Obama campaign committee that tried to smooth the path with two Senate actions, a bill, S. 2678 (Obama/McCaskill) in Feb 2008 and a resolution, SR 511 in Apr 2008 (McCaskill/Leahy/Clinton/Obama) desperate measures to provide some legal cover for McCain so that no Republican dared to ask questions about natural born citizenship, even with 8 attempts between 2002 and 2007 to pass amendments to Article II Section 1.

I think you know why the GOP has floated one naturalized citizen after another, Jindal, Rubio, Cruz, when we have dozens of natural born citizens who would make excellent candidates, if our voting systems were not devoid of any method of verifying voter intent. Suzanna Martinez was born on our soil to US citizens, as was Allen West, and Ben Carson. Why, you won't ask, is that a requirement?

Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162 (1875):

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

33 posted on 04/09/2013 7:48:25 AM PDT by Spaulding
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