Skip to comments.Double Action: Two NY Times Columnists Embarrass Themselves on Guns in Sunday Review
Posted on 04/09/2013 5:54:34 AM PDT by servo1969
Two New York Times columnists embarrassed themselves over the weekend, betraying anti-gun ignorance in the paper's Sunday Review.
Frank Bruni went hunting for the first time (with the chef of a ritzy Manhattan restaurant), and remarked "what an unfair fight" hunting is, as if he was the first person to think that up. After lamenting "how thoroughly a weapon can be romanticized and fetishized," he pivoted to easy access to guns in "this country of ours."
"I could forget, when not aiming at a bird, to keep the gun pointed toward the sky or the ground. Or my pivot as I followed a birds flight could bring one of my companions, so perilously near me, into my sights. I was haunted by this and by the fact that although I was a first-timer, I needed no background check, no training, no proof of any dexterity to hold this shotgun and squeeze its trigger, not on the kind of regulated hunting grounds (called a preserve) that we went to. This country of ours makes it astonishingly easy for people to arm themselves and take aim. Is it any wonder that we have an exceptional harvest of gun-related injuries and deaths, many accidental?"
Bruni acted convinced that the Second Amendment is wholly concerned with hunting rights, then used that false argument to undermine gun rights in general.
"....Opponents of such basic gun-control measures as universal background checks and an assault-weapons ban talk of slippery slopes and raise the specter of parents being unable to lend shotguns to their children for a wholesome duck or deer hunt. They assert the importance to hunters of certain semiautomatics that might be prohibited....And its hooey. Lets take the broadly beloved part first. The popularity of hunting has generally declined over the last four decades
According to a survey by the Fish and Wildlife Service, only 13.7 million Americans 16 or older hunted in 2011, the most recent year for which figures are available. Thats in a country of more than 313 million people."
Times business columnist Joe Nocera, who has made daily blog entries on gun violence since January 30, devoted his Sunday column to a semi-heated Q&A with liberal gun enthusiast Dan Baum.
"Nocera: But assault rifles were used in Aurora and Newtown. And here is my larger point. When I talk to gun absolutists, they claim that we shouldnt make such a big deal out of mass shootings because they are statistically insignificant. But so what? We have turned this society upside down because 3,000 people died on 9/11. In the scheme of things, that number is also statistically insignificant. Yet we take extraordinary measures, limiting peoples personal freedoms, to prevent another act of terrorism on our soil. Besides, we enact regulations all the time designed to keep people safe, even when the number of people who have been harmed is small. Why are guns different?"
Nocera, who once likened the Tea Party to terrorists, accused Baum of making an "absurd, extremist argument" by suggesting armed civilians might actually be able to prevent massacres.
"Nocera: After Newtown, Wayne LaPierre said, The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Do you believe that?
Baum: As much as I dislike the N.R.A., theres a cold logic to it. Its the reason we have armed guards in airports and shopping malls. When you see an armed guard someplace, what youre hoping is, if somebody pulls out a gun and does something bad, that the guard will use his gun to protect you.
Nocera: Actually, what the N.R.A. means by that statement is that if somebody attempts a mass shooting in a movie theater, someone else in the theater will have a gun and shoot the shooter. Which seems crazy to me.
Baum: I cant imagine anything worse than one guy with a gun bent on mass murder in a room full of unarmed people. Anything is better than that.
Nocera: The idea that some heroic figure is going to be able to get up and actually be able to shoot them...
Baum: Then why do cops carry guns? Disarm the police.
Nocera: Thats an absurd, extremist argument.
Baum: Why? I carried a concealed weapon...
Nocera: And did you think you were going to save somebody?"
Map of verified defensive gun uses: http://www.cato.org/guns-and-self-defense
Frank Bruni’s a homosexual.
Maybe the balaclava is there for the same reason as the gloves and heavy coat... cold weather?
Thanks again for your efforts!! In the case of a loss of civility, I want all the firepower possible — my greater fear for the nation is a tyrannical government!!
They don’t help much when they cover up your eyes. The man is a fracking idiot pig. Look at his weapon. More crap on it than in a Christmas Turkey.
“The time has come, I think, to stop trying to reason with these people. It is a pointless exercise to a question that really isnt the real motive here.”
The benefit of reasoning with “these people” is presenting our side of the argument to the observers of the argument, those who are neither one of “these people” nor one of us. To do otherwise unnecessarily concedes the field to “these people”.
There aren’t any ‘observers’ left. Fundamentally, you know on which side you fall.
Fully, 100+ million of ‘us’ are hooked on entitlements. The others that vote with their side are so hopelessly tied up in dogma and illogic favoring abortion, perverted behavior, illegal invasion, etc., that on the one hand they try to tell you banning guns saves the children while they other hand aborts over 50 million unborn souls. You simply cannot reason with this, and there is no other ‘undecided’ you can convince with the righteousness of your argument.
For what? All so Obama can party like Idi Amin or JayZ and Beyonce’ in Havana in the White House, his family can take lavish vacations at real producers’ expense and dictate to us which laws he deigns to follow and which he will subvert through the power of his office. If you don’t believe this man has an agenda that includes the complete devolution of this country into a third world sh!thole so he can remake it into an Islamic/Socialist Paradise, I don’t know what to tell you.
It is utter foolishness to continue down a path that is based on having a civilized argument with civilized people; they are not. They should be dealt with as such.
When I applied for my first hunting license in Connecticut more than 40 years ago, I had to take a 16 hour class and handle ACTUAL guns before I could get the license.
These guys (I use the term very loosely) need a man to activate their y chromosome. What is Sarah Palin doing these days? Maybe she can smack some sense into these nancy-boys.
These guys should see how it feels on the other end and be allowed to wander around a Cheetah preserve in Africa.
The first photomeme is one of your very best. Simple, and establishes, PLAINLY, the Standard Capacity Magazine meme.
Let’s change things up a little -
“I could forget, when not aiming at a [tree], to keep the [chainsaw] pointed [away from other people]. Or my pivot as I [cut off tree limbs] could bring one of my companions, so perilously near me, into [the teeth]. I was haunted by this and by the fact that although I was a first-timer, I needed no background check, no training, no proof of any dexterity to hold this [chainsaw] and squeeze its trigger, not on the kind of regulated [logging] grounds (called a preserve) that we went to. This country of ours makes it astonishingly easy for people to [buy a chainsaw] and [crank it up]. Is it any wonder that we have an exceptional harvest of [chainsaw]-related injuries and deaths, many accidental?”
Makes the wussy-ness a little clearer, I think.
Let me get this straight. In Joe Nocera’s world, it would be just fine if a person with permission to carry concealed and had a firearm with them in the Aurora theater to withdraw from the scene if they were not threatened and allow the shooting to continue? Really? Which is crazier? Thinking you can save others in such a situation or letting other be slaughtered as long as you are safe?
Joe, you are a heartless bastage.