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Coburn: There won’t be a filibuster
cnn ^ | April 9, 2013 | Kevin Liptak

Posted on 04/09/2013 5:03:46 PM PDT by Red Steel

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1 posted on 04/09/2013 5:03:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
This isn't going to pass. this is just CNN trying to make happen what they want to happen. same as the Ny times article and other “news” articles. there is no news just propaganda
2 posted on 04/09/2013 5:06:52 PM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: Red Steel

No more new gun laws.

None.

Stop it now.


3 posted on 04/09/2013 5:07:06 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Red Steel

ALL of these articles from CNN or NY Times should have a barf alert imo


4 posted on 04/09/2013 5:08:16 PM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: Red Steel

“Coburn vehemently opposes any attempt by the federal government to retain information on gun owners.”

Well, they have to gather it first and then keep it for the background checks so it logically could never be removed.


5 posted on 04/09/2013 5:09:31 PM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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To: Red Steel

Let it play out Sen. Coburn and don’t undercut those real Conservatives that threaten filibuster. Coburn, quite frankly, seems to have lost some of his conservative zeal over time, has he had the RINO lobotomy?


6 posted on 04/09/2013 5:10:11 PM PDT by izzatzo (NO MORE BUSHES!)
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To: Red Steel

The Republicrats are hard at work screwing America.


7 posted on 04/09/2013 5:10:24 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Red Steel

Question: what part of the American citizens’ Constitutional rights do these bozos NOT understand (or not give a damn about)?

Answer: All of it.

(Remember what he told us, “Elections have consequences.”)


8 posted on 04/09/2013 5:10:26 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: rurgan
Yes, I think the up or down vote will happen and maybe it should to put Dems on the record.

Reid will probably have to allow amendments. I believe Coburn is going to attach his idea of background checks though he's not explicit in this article.

9 posted on 04/09/2013 5:11:00 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Red Steel
"We ought to have this debate. America needs to know where we stand," Coburn continued..."

Senator Coburn, we had that 'debate' with Great Britain over two hundred years ago, and settled the matter decisively. Our God-given RIGHT to keep and bear arms has been enshrined in our Constitution ever since.

Congress has NO right to rule one way or another about RIGHTS it does not have the power to bestow or revoke.

There is nothing to 'debate'. Stand and defend the Constitution as you swore to, or resign in treason and disgrace.

10 posted on 04/09/2013 5:11:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: what's up

It’s never going to pass the Senate, much less the House. This CNN article is bs just like all the “news” is.


11 posted on 04/09/2013 5:11:49 PM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: edcoil
then keep it for the background checks

I think Coburn's position is to destroy them within 3 days.

12 posted on 04/09/2013 5:12:07 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
I think Coburn's position is to destroy them within 3 days.

Like that's really going to happen...

13 posted on 04/09/2013 5:13:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: izzatzo
don’t undercut those real Conservatives that threaten filibuster

Dems don't look like they have the votes. Perhaps Coburn is right that the up or down vote is the way to go.

14 posted on 04/09/2013 5:14:34 PM PDT by what's up
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To: rurgan
It’s never going to pass the Senate, much less the House.

The feral elites had better hope like HELL it doesn't.

15 posted on 04/09/2013 5:14:34 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Like that's really going to happen...

If the Dems really want to pass a bill it might.

16 posted on 04/09/2013 5:15:30 PM PDT by what's up
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To: rurgan
It’s never going to pass the Senate,

You also don't think they have 50 votes?

17 posted on 04/09/2013 5:16:31 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Red Steel

Our side, the American People, are going to lose this fight.

What in the hell is so difficult with understanding, “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”??


18 posted on 04/09/2013 5:18:41 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Red Steel

I told Sherrod Brown (Socialist - Ohio) if he wanted to register anyone why not start with gang members and mentally impaired (Obamacare?)


19 posted on 04/09/2013 5:21:43 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: rurgan

After Obaacare, how can you say “this won’t pass” with a straight face? These traitorous POS will stop at nothing!


20 posted on 04/09/2013 5:22:05 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: what's up
I think Coburn's position is to destroy them within 3 days.

It's kinda like that old joke about how do you know so-and-so is lying? If his mouth is open! Similarly, the only way to KNOW government won't violate your civil rights by improper use of information is if it's physically impossible because they never see it. In fact, knowing the players as we do, that's the only way to even BELIEVE they're not doing so, let alone "know" it. So since they CLAIM they're not doing it to build a database, and since they're already REQUIRED to destroy the trace information anyway, then they can't possibly have any objection to a background check in which they NEVER SEE the information. Instead let them distribute the list of prohibited individuals in encrypted form to FFL's for installation on their own computers with no internet connection, and let the FFL's perform the checks. It'd be an honor system to trust the FFL's that they ran the checks, but it already is. Such a system provides them everything they SAY they want with nothing free people can't accept and no knowledge accruing to the government for a function where they don't need that information to perform it. If anybody should be on a "need to know" basis, it's the goobermint.

21 posted on 04/09/2013 5:23:05 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: what's up
Dems don't look like they have the votes. Perhaps Coburn is right that the up or down vote is the way to go.

Even if they don't, where's the upside in trading a sure thing for a risky vote-counting exercise?

22 posted on 04/09/2013 5:24:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I'll go one better..

NO MORE LAWS. PERIOD. Stop with the self-righteous dictates you punk politicians, you.

23 posted on 04/09/2013 5:24:54 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Still Thinking

Get dems in red-leaning states on the record.


24 posted on 04/09/2013 5:26:04 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

our side are so stupid ad cowardly whether homosexuality, to guns, to the white house being closed while they dine and drink at their concerts or fly some from CT to a photo op fro the anti gun agenda.

GOP THE COWARDS WHO KEEP ON GIVING TO THE SOCIALISTS.


25 posted on 04/09/2013 5:27:12 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: what's up

Some planets have longer days than others.


26 posted on 04/09/2013 5:27:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: what's up

Who will vote no anyway if the bill’s not going to pass. They only way this hurts them is if they vote yes which they’ll only do if they think it might pass. What if they’re right? In fact, if Harry knows it won’t pass, he probably won’t even hold the vote.


27 posted on 04/09/2013 5:28:53 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Puppage
All Republicans voted against Obamacare, all democrats voted for Obamacare . the democrats don't have 60 in the Senate.

I'm just pointing out CNN is making it seem like it has more chance than it does, all to divide and conquer. you are all falling for it. divide and conquer and then they'll fall , keep attacking each other on this or anything and that's one strategy the liberal media uses

28 posted on 04/09/2013 5:29:49 PM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: Red Steel

The Senate is FUBAR

We should go back to the Constitution and have 2 Senators per State, elected by the State legislature.


29 posted on 04/09/2013 5:31:04 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Red Steel

You know, I applauded Rand Paul’s filibuster to question the President’s drone policy; however, if there was ever a reason to filibuster, I would think infringement of our 2nd Amendment rights would be a justified cause. My cynicism is on full tank and each day, more and more, I think that these politicians are two-sides of the same coin. I think mentally, I am starting to go Gault. I will probably give it one more time, trying to make a difference in the next election. I am starting to think that we should ban all political parties and we should have term limits for all elected officials.


30 posted on 04/09/2013 5:31:18 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Still Thinking
In fact, if Harry knows it won’t pass, he probably won’t even hold the vote.

That's what happened before. He pulled it because he didn't have the votes.

But it would have been great to see it go to the floor back then because the "FAIL" would have been a great point in our favor and an excellent defeat for Obama.

31 posted on 04/09/2013 5:35:14 PM PDT by what's up
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To: rurgan
CNN is making it seem like it has more chance than it does, all to divide and conquer. you are all falling for it. divide and conquer and then they'll fall , keep attacking each other on this or anything and that's one strategy the liberal media uses

So true!

This is their main MO these days and we fall for it all too often.

32 posted on 04/09/2013 5:37:25 PM PDT by what's up
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To: rurgan

I know what ya meant. I just have a tendency to fly off the handle when it comes to anything about this administration. No disrespect to you.


33 posted on 04/09/2013 5:39:36 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: rurgan

Tried to call Toomey’s office. They are not accepting calls at this time. Please try again later.


34 posted on 04/09/2013 5:39:46 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Red Steel
It takes 60 votes to break a filibuster. If it comes to the floor, it takes only 51 votes to pass. Reid has 51 votes. He will shove Feinstein's ban into the bill as an amendment once it gets to the floor. Fools. Don't let it get on the floor.
35 posted on 04/09/2013 5:41:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: rurgan

Reid understands the media impact.

He won’t offer the opportunity to make amendments, because the democrats get more mileage from a blocked and failed bill that they can demagogue than they do allowing the bill to be substantially changed by real amendments from the floor.

If amendments are permitted, then this should go forward. Democrat anti-gun senators can be gotten on record.

The House of Representatives can always prevent this from going forward.


36 posted on 04/09/2013 5:45:34 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: what's up
If the Dems really want to pass a bill it might.

Sure, they can put into law that records of firearms sales or background checks be destroyed within three days, but who in their right mind believes the feds will actually do it?

37 posted on 04/09/2013 5:46:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Gator113
Our side, the American People, are going to lose this fight.

That's poison talk. If you really feel that demoralized, please keep it to yourself.

38 posted on 04/09/2013 5:50:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 3Fingas
I am starting to think that we should ban all political parties and we should have term limits for all elected officials.

I'll vote for that.

39 posted on 04/09/2013 5:52:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3006026/posts


40 posted on 04/09/2013 6:06:14 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Gator113

Fight back until it hurts. Then fight some more. Don’t stop until the traitors are begging you to put them out of their misery.


41 posted on 04/09/2013 6:16:31 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: manc
our side are so stupid ad cowardly whether homosexuality, to guns, to the white house being closed while they dine and drink at their concerts or fly some from CT to a photo op fro the anti gun agenda. GOP THE COWARDS WHO KEEP ON GIVING TO THE SOCIALISTS.

The GOP aren't cowards and they aren't stupid. They don't have to give in to people they are already ideologically aligned with. Mitt Romney, the pro-gay adoption, pro-homo military, pro-socialist healthcare, one term liberal Governor of Massachusetts, was their last loser Presidential nominee for cripes sake. The Republican Party is not on "our" side.

42 posted on 04/09/2013 6:32:30 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Windflier

While I enjoy and respect your tenacity on this, the fix is in.

There will be a news conference tomorrow morning, wherein these traitors will break the news in more detail.


43 posted on 04/09/2013 6:42:07 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: izzatzo
I don't know that the filibuster is the right strategy. If you threaten a filibuster, but then demand an open amendment process, you actually get the best of both worlds.

Drag the vulnerable Dems through the mud. Make them vote over and over again to take away our guns and then defeat the bill.

Actually, given the GOP history of failure, I prefer the filibuster.

44 posted on 04/09/2013 7:00:08 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: what's up
Don't think dingy-harry will let this get to a vote. It certainly will not pass the House and dems are growing increasingly paranoid about 2014 and another cranked up backlash like 2010.

LibDems talk it up big time, same as many other far left “things” tossed out to scare and distract from the Grand Theft of the Treasury the libs and their partners are perpetrating.

45 posted on 04/09/2013 7:05:39 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: 1010RD

nobody wake up john “i don’t understand” mccain. he is still napping in the corner.


46 posted on 04/09/2013 7:06:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Windflier

Fight until hell freezes over, then fight on the ice.


47 posted on 04/09/2013 7:16:00 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: rurgan

It will pass. The GOP will sell us out. Again.


48 posted on 04/09/2013 7:21:31 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: what's up
I think Coburn's position is to destroy them within 3 days.

Ohhhh yes, that gives me great assurance that a socialist, RAT bastard gubmint, led by the Great Satan himself, 0dumb0shit, will honor their promise to destroy gun records in 3 days. Here's a novel idea to the gubmint.... YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING! How 'bout that?

49 posted on 04/09/2013 7:23:28 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: rurgan

Kind of like Obmacare?


50 posted on 04/09/2013 7:26:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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