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Canada:Snowbirds say they feel safer in gun-loving Arizona
calgaryherald.com ^ | 9 April, 2013 | Don Klein

Posted on 04/09/2013 7:20:30 PM PDT by marktwain

Re: "Gun culture a shock for snowbirds," Karin Klassen, Opinion, April 8.

Strange, but I know many people who go to Arizona and spend most of the winter there. They all say they feel safer there than they do in Alberta because there are very few rapes, home invasions or burglaries.

Many snowbirds who have property there obtain a firearm. They go to the police and show that they know how to handle firearms safely, are issued a permit, and buy a pistol and ammo. It can serve as protection, though it is very safe, or simply sport shooting, as ranges are everywhere and easily accessed.

The vast majority of Arizonans are friendly and enjoy the camaraderie and participation of Canadians in their sport shooting activities. Nevada is much the same, with huge training facilities for sport and defensive shooting, as are most states with concealed or open carry.

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TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; az; banglist; canada; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment
A Canadian speaks out about Arizona gun culture.
1 posted on 04/09/2013 7:20:30 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

2 posted on 04/09/2013 7:22:40 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: marktwain

Here’s one Freeper giving very serious thought to moving to Arizona.

Can any Freepers who know the state give recommendations for a specific town(s).

I’d like conservative (of course) and near to mountains, forests, desert, wilderness area, and/or any combination of those, and not close to any large cities.

At the moment, I’m thinking of Prescott and/or Sedona; any comments on those places?


3 posted on 04/09/2013 7:26:15 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: marktwain

They should be loving it right now. It’s been snowing in northern Arizona the past two nights. LOL! Thanks Algore!


4 posted on 04/09/2013 7:32:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: Jack Hammer

I know that Sedona is very expensive. The locals told me that since it became a tourist town, they can no longer afford to live there.


5 posted on 04/09/2013 7:34:30 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Jack Hammer

One of the most beautiful areas in Arizona is Show Low - pretty remote though. Also Snowflake, St Johns and Holbrook.

Much less populous than Flagstaff and Sedona - which are nice areas, but have the potential (especially Sedona) to become a bit granola.

So if you want to be only remotely associated with civilization - Show Low. If you need some semblance of refinement and can deal with the stuff that comes with an “artsy” community - Sedona.


6 posted on 04/09/2013 7:39:22 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: marktwain

I have attended gun shows in Panama City, FL. and run across a few Snowbirds. There wasn’t a lot they could buy but they seemed interested in the guns.

A while back I was paid to do a survey of campers in the Gulf Islands National Seashore. I would say at least 90% of the campers in the Winter were Canadians.

They were all with zero exceptions, pleasant to talk to. Also just about every one of them were WWII veterans. Oddly enough, the only person who refused the survey was an employee of the University I was doing the survey for.


7 posted on 04/09/2013 7:41:00 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Jack Hammer

Sedona is populated by a lot of aging hippies and all the foolish idiocy (redundancy alert!) that entails. Prescott would be far more hospitable to a FReeper. Cottonwood is worthy of consideration too.


8 posted on 04/09/2013 7:41:37 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Jack Hammer

Those are nice places. I also like the area around Scottsdale for a nice “metro” environment. For another small town to consider, look into Sierra Vista.


9 posted on 04/09/2013 7:43:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Jack Hammer

Prescott!


10 posted on 04/09/2013 7:49:20 PM PDT by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: Jack Hammer

Love my home State. It has changed but thankfully there are still those that live here making a stand against Illegal Immigration. Can’t find a job though. Prescott cheaper than Sedona.


11 posted on 04/09/2013 7:54:58 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Jack Hammer

Prescott is great, perhaps better, Prescott Valley as homes are less costly. I’ve bought there, and moving soon.


12 posted on 04/09/2013 8:57:14 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Jack Hammer; Ron C.

We moved to the Phoenix suburbs on the far west edge in December. I plan to buy at the end of the year, as I retire in a year and a half.

I don’t want to be paying for three houses so I am selling the KC house. I find that we like the Phoenix area much more than we expected. We knew we like AZ having been here dozens of times in the last 15 years but not so much in Phoenix. Prices are good right now, come on down.

Just got the wife a LCR 22Mag.


13 posted on 04/09/2013 9:08:55 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years)
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To: Jack Hammer

You wouldn’t like it.


14 posted on 04/09/2013 9:10:03 PM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: Jack Hammer

Sedona is tourist central and vacation homes/condos.

Visit Flagstaff. Better climate. Forest and mountains. Small town.

Don’t know about Prescott. I’m southeast of Phoenix in Chandler/Gilbert area. Still farmland and desert, some mountains, but it is suburbia pretty much.


15 posted on 04/09/2013 9:19:35 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Jack Hammer

To me, Prescott is a large city at nearly 40,000 population, and about the same in Prescott Valley. You might look at Safford or Globe, although Prescott does run a few degrees cooler than either.


16 posted on 04/10/2013 12:01:41 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: KC Burke

When did Ruger come out with a .22 mag?


17 posted on 04/10/2013 12:19:37 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eagles6
About 1959. I didn’t get mine until about 1980.
18 posted on 04/10/2013 12:47:15 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Amberdawn; GilesB; Flycatcher; ConservativeMind; hope; machogirl; Ron C.; KC Burke; AlmaKing; ...

Thank you all for encouragement and some great suggestions!


19 posted on 04/10/2013 12:59:38 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

When we lived in Las Cruces, NM over 40 years ago, we went to Phoenix - once - thought I would die. Showing the NJ nephew around, so not much choice on dates.
Was it 100 degress by 10am? And I thought NM was hot in the summer!
Flagstaff is also the sort of entry and miles from the Grand Canyon from the south, IIRC, if that interests you.
Do I remember pine trees in Flagstaff?


20 posted on 04/10/2013 1:55:35 AM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: Jack Hammer

We lived in Scottsdale for 14 years and loved it. We moved out to Maricopa 3 years ago to be closer to our kids/grandchildren, and we’ve been happy here too, although there’s relatively not much to do. Our town has been inundated by Canadian snowbirds, however, as they’ve been buying up many of the homes, lol.


21 posted on 04/10/2013 2:46:14 AM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: USARightSide

My wife and I have stayed in Flagstaff three times in the last ten years. What people should know about Flagstaff is that it’s about 7000 feet in elevation and, while warmer than Wisconsin where we live, can get pretty cold in the winter.


22 posted on 04/10/2013 5:28:00 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Jack Hammer

My girlfriend is building a house in Prescott very conservative area she tells me. Sedona is where the hippies live.


23 posted on 04/10/2013 6:11:13 AM PDT by conservcalgal (Dear Lord, please bless our nation and those who have stepped up to serve our nation with honor.....)
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To: marktwain
They go to the police and show that they know how to handle firearms safely, are issued a permit, and buy a pistol and ammo.

There is no such requirement in Arizona. One does not need a PERMIT to buy firearms or ammo. Arizona Gun Laws

24 posted on 04/10/2013 6:33:02 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Eagles6

They brought it out in January and I just lucked out to find one in stock at Cabela’s. There are some reviews on-line. It is a sweet concealed hammer DA revolver with a good trigger pull improvement.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 9:09:42 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years)
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To: marktwain
Many snowbirds who have property there obtain a firearm. They go to the police and show that they know how to handle firearms safely, are issued a permit, and buy a pistol and ammo. It can serve as protection, though it is very safe, or simply sport shooting, as ranges are everywhere and easily accessed.

They shouldn't even need to do that.

Arizona is now a constitutional carry state. My understanding is you can get a permit, for reciprocity purposes while travelling.

26 posted on 04/10/2013 9:20:18 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: driftless2

‘__________can get pretty cold in the winter.’
(Flagstaff)

Then I will assume I did see pine trees back those many years ago!


27 posted on 04/10/2013 1:21:52 PM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: tdscpa

Meant the LCR. ;-)


28 posted on 04/10/2013 2:40:11 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: USARightSide

A lot of people think Arizona is all desert. But much of the top half of the state is heavily forested. And it climbs in elevation towards Flagstaff. The highest peak in Arizona, Mt. Humphrey, is just north of Flagstaff.


29 posted on 04/10/2013 2:40:53 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: KC Burke
Family member got the .22 LR in June. I've had a few Rugers and didn't think I'd like a "plastic" revolver but I was surprised, to say the least.

Small frame rimfires, as a rule have heavy trigger springs, supposedly due to the smaller hammer mass.

The .22 LR has an 8# trigger pull and is smooth, very nice.

I'll have to pick up a .22 mag.

30 posted on 04/10/2013 2:48:12 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: USARightSide
Was it 100 degress by 10am?

In a couple months it'll be well over 100 by 10PM.

31 posted on 04/10/2013 2:53:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Lee N. Field

They’re not US Citizens. I’m surprised they can buy at all.


32 posted on 04/10/2013 2:55:30 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: marktwain

McCain obviously isn’t paying attention. He’s out there bargaining with the devil himself.


33 posted on 04/10/2013 2:58:06 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Eagles6

I will be quite surprised if you can walk in anywhere and just buy one. They are very scarce due to the new introduction and high demand. The counterman at Cabela’s was amazed that they had one in stock, it had just happened to be the only one they had ever recieved and they had put it in stock the night before and I just happened to be the first to ask them to check their stock.

Its over the edge in the Phoenix valley — they had the LCR 22 Mag but not one box of 22 Mag ammo. I finally found just one box of 50 after checking three other places — I found it at a pistol shop that doesn’t cater to rimfire weapons and they had that lone single small box. I have checked four times at four different stores in the two weeks since I picked this up and have found no more ammo anywhere.

I am not going to the range and shoot up my only box of ammunition for the wife’s revolver. She knows how it works and it is loaded where she can put her hands on it in an instant.

Now when I get her the little sub-compact 380, I hope to get her three range trips at 30 rounds per trip so she stands a chance of hitting something with that small barrel, but the LCR is big enough that I think she can hit center-mass with it.


34 posted on 04/10/2013 3:06:02 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yiiiiii - ! 100 degrees plus by 10a.m. (altho you wrote ‘P.M.’) -
I was asking about the a.m. - - -

Guess the indoor activities start - - -


35 posted on 04/10/2013 4:40:36 PM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: USARightSide

I was talking about PM. It’s a lot hotter at 10AM.


36 posted on 04/11/2013 5:27:37 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: marktwain
Photo of barrel of gun.

Ah. Good to know.

37 posted on 04/11/2013 5:34:32 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Cyber Liberty

‘______a lot hotter at 10am.’

Y i i i i i - !


38 posted on 04/11/2013 4:55:59 PM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: Ron C.

Ding!


39 posted on 04/11/2013 4:58:38 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: conservcalgal

Prescott is an odd mix of earth-hippies and conservatives. Really. Still a conservative overall bent to the town.


40 posted on 04/11/2013 5:00:09 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: USARightSide
Aw, it's not that bad. I looked it up, and on the 4th of July the average is >100 F only from Noon to 8PM daily (<90 from 1AM to 9:30AM. Gotta cool off). On average. Which means half the days are a little bit warmer. Half are positively chilly. Brrr! just thinking about it.

Klink.

41 posted on 04/11/2013 5:27:47 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: SparkyBass

Yep - they built a college in the area, liberal of course, which drags in far too many lefties. (spit)


42 posted on 04/11/2013 7:07:13 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Cyber Liberty
June is the hottest month. It usually cools down to about 92 at 5:00 am, just before sunrise. The 110+ temperatures arrive by mid-afternoon. July and August are a few degrees cooler because of the afternoon thunderstorms, but 108 and humid feels a lot worse than 117 and dry. Those are the best months to go away on a long vacation.

Phoenix heat really isn't a big deal as long as the A/C works - except for a few psychotic golfers, most everybody is inside an office or mall in the daytime, anyway. Construction and road maintenance workers have the hardest jobs. And the almost perfect weather we have November through April makes up for it. :)

43 posted on 04/11/2013 7:22:31 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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